Not good for the Chargers

[LesBaker]

I do think they're going to make the playoffs this year, that's a good team no doubt about it. And they'll probably still suffer a bit on the draw in spite of it.

They could go far in the AFC..........as in the conference finals are possible. It won't be easy but it could happen.

That O is for real.

Did Stan Kroenke present his stadium plan with two locker rooms and two sets of office space for two teams...was it all a ruse to win LA?

The NFL required it as a condition of moving from what I remember, it wasn't his idea/plan.

 

[Loyal]

The NFL required it as a condition of moving from what I remember, it wasn't his idea/plan.

Don't quite remember that, but if so, he used the parameters to his benefit.

 

[den-the-coach]

The NFL required it as a condition of moving from what I remember, it wasn't his idea/plan.

That's correct Kroenke never envisioned a tenant, however, the NFL asked for it because the NFL wanted to resolve two team issues. FWIW the Stadium Vote in California went against the Chargers significantly and I don't blame them as Taxes are high enough, no reason to make billionaires richer, however, that's what happens when you have Owners like Mark Davis and Dean Spanos, they don't have enough Jack, but neither did Robert Kraft and he was able to get his Stadium Privately Funded as much as I dislike Kraft.

 

[Prime Time]

I can and no it isn’t. I’m guessing you never went to an LA Raiduh game or personally know people who have. Obviously there are normal and upstanding Raiduh fans - certainly the majority of them. But it’s the huge number of them that are that is the problem. I have simply never seen anything like that element with any other fan base.

Which fan base would you rather sit in a stadium with?

This one?

Or this one?

Put another way, would you rather take your family to Disneyland or where Mad Max and his biker pals hang out? And yes, I've been to many Raiders games.

 

[RamsSince1969]

Listening to Tiki & Tierney on CBS sports radio right now and they are suggesting the Chargers must go to London to survive. The L.A. thing for the Chargers just isn't going to work, especially when Rivers retires. They are winning right now and there is basically minimal fan base. What happens when they begin the rebuild years and go 4-12 or worse? Ghost town! It's going to have to get addressed as they are hemorrhaging money compared to the other 31 teams. Interesting takes going on with the projected revenues for the Chargers revised so far downward. I've also heard talking heads mention Toronto as a landing spot for the Chargers to make financial sense and max value.

 

[LesBaker]

Which fan base would you rather sit in a stadium with?

This one?

Or this one?

Put another way, would you rather take your family to Disneyland or where Mad Max and his biker pals hang out? And yes, I've been to many Raiders games.

..........that makes them gang members?

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Did Stan Kroenke present his stadium plan with two locker rooms and two sets of office space for two teams...was it all a ruse to win LA?

Certainly Kroenke planned to act above board, but knowing the reality of Dean Spanos' stubbornness in not wanting to be the 2nd team in LA (he tried for another year in San Diego to get a new stadium, before failing once again) had presented his plan. Mark Davis and his Raiders were third in he contest for LA, connected with Vegas and it looks to be a good move for them. Even if San Diego had gotten a stadium deal done, and the Raiders had not gotten Vegas, the Rams would have had a year or two in LA to re-establish themselves. Admittedly, the Raiders would have been vastly more successful than the Chargers...So there was a bit of luck from the Rams perspective with the Raiders gaining Las Vegas.

Was this Kroenke's ingenious plan to have LA to himself? Did Kroenke float the idea of still having the openness to another team for leverage against resistant home markets in negotiations, when presenting LA's stadium plans in 2015? (If the Raiders & Chargers wouldn't be 2nd fiddles in LA)

Food for thought.lol

 

[bubbaramfan]

Chargers have options. NFL wants to expand internationally, London and Mexico City. Plenty of Cartel money down south.

 

[RhodyRams]

I would not be surprised a bit if the Chargers move to LA is just a stop gap movement for another relocation to Mexico City

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

I can and no it isn’t. I’m guessing you never went to an LA Raiduh game or personally know people who have. Obviously there are normal and upstanding Raiduh fans - certainly the majority of them. But it’s the huge number of them that are that is the problem. I have simply never seen anything like that element with any other fan base.

Indeed.Not all of them of course but a great many of the Raider fans in LA are gangsters.Its just the LA fans in general that you can lump in that group. As you well know,they always started fights in the stands all the time and even fought amongst themselves. I am sure you remember Howie Long making the statement that him and his teammates stopped taking their familys to games there in the LA coliseum because they feared for the safety of their lives?

Nothing has changed either,same story happened in the pre season game.Many Ram fans left that game because of the fights as you well know.

The Raider fans in LA to this day still give Oakland fans a bad rap.Everybody makes the false assumption the Oakland fans are just like them.Could not be further from the truth.a great deal of visiting fans who have come to Oakland in fact have always had so much fun there they always want to come back.The Oakland fans have always been generous to the Ram fans in LA always inviting them to their games all the time. it would for sure be false to label the OAKLAND fans as gangsters,now that we cant do indeed.

Before the Raiders moved to LA,the Raiders were only known as the outlaws,nobody ever thought of them as gangsters.

 

[Loyal]

I would not be surprised a bit if the Chargers move to LA is just a stop gap movement for another relocation to Mexico City

I enjoy your avatar, by the way..On to Frisco!

 

[EastRam]

Chargers have options. NFL wants to expand internationally, London and Mexico City. Plenty of Cartel money down south.

Plenty of Cartel money in the current NFL

 

[cvramsfan]

Holy crap this is cheap compared to ours

So what is up with all the grey seats that are listed in the price chart? It seams that the $15K seats are just 4 sections @ the 50yrd line 4 rows up.

 

[Loyal]

I can't wait to win the Mega Millions so I can afford a couple expensive games a year

 

[cvramsfan]

I can't wait to win the Mega Millions so I can afford a couple expensive games a year

If you do win then you can afford to take every ROD member. :grouphug:

 

[Loyal]

If you do win then you can afford to take every ROD member. :grouphug:

Wouldn't that be fun as hell? I'd get everyone so drunk that even RamsFan503 would be sayin' "Slow yur Roll. Hoss!"

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Which fan base would you rather sit in a stadium with?

This one?

Or this one?

Put another way, would you rather take your family to Disneyland or where Mad Max and his biker pals hang out? And yes, I've been to many Raiders games.

Yeah that doesnt make them gang members just because they dress up in scary costumes. People dress up in scary halloween costumes on halloween but it doesnt make them gang members. That pic there is the black hole.Now granted the black hole is not where you would want to have young kids to see a football game but the whole stadium is not like that. Keep them out of the black hole and they will be fine.

I dont know those guys personally but i have some raider fans I do know well that DO know those two guys very well and if you ask anybody in the black hole about these guys,they will tell you the same thing,they are nice guys and very friendly to visiting fans. Just dont go to the end zones where the black hole is and its no big deal taking a kid to a game there in Oakland.

as I said,people make the mistake of associating the gangsters in LA lumping them in the group of these two Raider fans in Oakland and because of that,Oakland to this day,STILL gets an unfair bad rap because of the past history of what happened in LA. In OAKLAND,Raider fans for the most part dont go and start fights like the thug gangs in LA did at the preseason game and always did in the past. These two guys if you ever met them from what I hear from Ram fans as well i know that have meant them,will tell you they are cool nice guys and so are most the Raider fans in OAKLAND.

You dont want top lump these nice two oakland guys here and most the other oakland fans with the gansters in LA they have,thats not fair to these two nice guys and most the other Oakland fans.

I can understand the confusion though cause i myself did not realise either for many years the Oakland fans were WORLDS APART from the Raider fans in LA who always started fights in the stands prompting Howie Long and his teammates to stop taking their familys to games fearing for their lives because it was REALLY bad in the parking lots with fights as well with many always getting seriously beat up there.

 

[Loyal]

Yeah that doesnt make them gang members just because they dress up in scary costumes. People dress up in scary halloween costumes on halloween but it doesnt make them gang members. That pic there is the black hole.Now granted the black hole is not where you would want to have young kids to see a football game but the whole stadium is not like that. Keep them out of the black hole and they will be fine.

I dont know those guys personally but i have some raider fans I do know well that DO know those two guys very well and if you ask anybody in the black hole about these guys,they will tell you the same thing,they are nice guys and very friendly to visiting fans. Just dont go to the end zones where the black hole is and its no big deal taking a kid to a game there in Oakland.

as I said,people make the mistake of associating the gangsters in LA lumping them in the group of these two Raider fans in Oakland and because of that,Oakland gets an unfair bad rap because of the past history of what happened in LA. In OAKLAND,Raider fans for the most part dont go and start fights like the thus gangs in LA did at the preseason game and always did in the past. These two guys if you ever met them from what I hear from Ram fans i know that have meant them,will tell you they are cool nice guys and so are most the Raider fans in OAKLAND.

You dont want top lump these nice two oakland guys here and most the other oakland fans with the gansters in LA they have,thats not fair to these two nice guys and most the other Oakland fans.

Who is saying that "every" Raiders fan is a thug? Using generalizations that way is just stupid. I can give anecdotal stories from St Louis fans that went there wearing Rams colors and were abused in Oakland, so that they'd never go back. I have also drove to California (LA) in the early 2000's, and it seemed that a lot of raiders gear was used by gangs because of the colors, many of which mat have nor cared a whole lot about football.....Neither group includes your friends, so....

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Franchise removal is a slap in the face to ALL fans. Too bad the NFL doesn't care. Then again a lot of fans who continue to support it don't get it either, which just enables more of it.

 

[Prime Time]

Enough with the "gang member" crap. That's the third time I've seen it mentioned. Nowhere in my post is that term used. Do you all know how to read? I lived an hour from Oakland for over 30 years and worked in that city during the 80's for three years. It's a rough place to live and to work and the fans pride themselves on being badasses.

"Mad Max and bikers gangs" was meant to imply that it's sometimes dangerous and unpredictable there. I never took family members or women or children to those games for that reason.

How many of you have actually sat in the stands during Raiders games? And I don't mean for a couple of games. The Raiders were my second team to root for during the 70's and 80's and I went to a ton of their games in that stadium. Maybe the fans have softened since those days but it's not called "The Black Hole" for nothing. You don't have to agree but don't misrepresent what I posted.

Here's a "gang" mention below.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...idating-game-day-fan-bases-in-the-nfl#slide12

2. Oakland Raiders

The Raider fan culture is dirty, disgusting, dangerous, scary and, well, effective.

When a game at 'The Black Hole' pops up on the schedule, a number of NFL players certainly wish they could play anywhere else.

Oakland Raider fans are not just a group of fans. They're a gang. Oakland Raider fans are killers (at a preseason game, for goodness sake), thieves and anything but pleasant on game day.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...s-image-is-hurting-their-home-game-attendance

Oakland Raiders: Why Raider Fans' Image Is Hurting Their Home Game Attendance
ELIAS TREJO

Oakland Raiders fans are the fourth worst fans in American Sports according to GQ Magazine. The article paints Raider fans as, "Hell-raisers, gangbangers, and inveterate knife-lickers all of whom firmly believe that skipping town for an away game is well worth the parole violation."

Raider fans have an image problem and it could be hurting their ticket sales. Just like Raider fans have fans spread across the nation, so do other NFL teams. You'll find a lot of members of the Raider Nation when the Raiders play away games.

Because of the image problem Raider fans have, it may be causing some of the away team's fans to stay away from Oakland when their team plays the Raiders. It also may be causing some members of the Raider Nation who have never been to a game to stay away from Oakland as well.