Jared Goff Article from Mike Silver - Great Read

Ellard80 · Feb 5, 2019

Malibu said:
I lovelJared Goff and velibel he willwbe aaHOFer one day. But to be fair he has been in this league 3 years, plus x any of years of college. He has spent a bunch of years studying this stuff and playing in most circumstances you can think of.

It was imperative of Jared to have figured out by this game that the Pats were going to blitz and at times heavily 6/7 man blitzes. He dhosho gave had this figured out how to deal with it and NOT get rattled. He did not need to contend with noise like in NO and he dealt with goig to great defenses with Chicago, Philly, NO, Dallas, and Detroit. He should have come up with a plan when his OL let's him down.

To think we were tied or only down by 3 for most of the game and NOT figuring out how to combat the Pats Defense is not very SMART football IQ to me considering this is the MAIN issue he and Sean needed to to address on Offense if it happened and yes the Pats blitzed 41% of the time yesterday.

I'm just laughing at the reaction to your post... I think it was pretty clear that McVay/Goff need to get better at dealing with the blitz.

Ellard80 · Feb 5, 2019

OldSchool said:
Peyton Manning was one and done 9 times in 15 playoff appearances including his first three trips there. Nobody here should worry at all about Jared, let the process happen! His first three games in his playoff career were bad.

19-42 227 0-0
17-32 194 1-0
14-31 137 0-2

Absolute trash!

If Goff can win two super bowls that would be nice.... However I hope he can be better than Manning was in the post season. Manning was a weak post season performer.

yrba1 · Feb 5, 2019

Ellard80 said:
I'm just laughing at the reaction to your post... I think it was pretty clear that McVay/Goff need to get better at dealing with the blitz.

Goff's skillset is methodical and relies on anticipation routes with his receivers, which is why his ball placement is phenomenal.

One thing I'd like to see him improve on is improvising under duress, something Wentz and Mahomes excels at. Goff looks like a deer in headlights when he can't play with his bread and butter.

Faceplant · Feb 5, 2019

Great read, thanks. Goff got absolutely abused in that game. He showed me some real toughness for sure. Those mistakes are correctable. I am perfectly comfortable with our QB. Honestly, I think we were just a year early. ..

SteveBrown · Feb 5, 2019

jrry32 said:
I won't copy and paste the whole article. I recommend y'all read it. It's a great look into Goff's mind after the game:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...goff-shoulders-blame-for-offensive-ineptitude

This is the difference between a 41 year old vet like Brady and a 24 year old kid like Goff. Goff wants to make the big play. Brady knows to live to play another down. That's something that experience will teach Jared. This kid isn't even close to his prime. We've got our guy moving forward.

At age 24 Brady had 90 yards passing with 2 min to go in the 4th quarter in the 2001 bowl....then he dinked it down the field to win....Goff is WAY ahead of Brady, age to date. No worries about Goff....worriess about McVay..and those are very, very few

SteveBrown · Feb 5, 2019

yrba1 said:
Goff's skillset is methodical and relies on anticipation routes with his receivers, which is why his ball placement is phenomenal.

One thing I'd like to see him improve on is improvising under duress, something Wentz and Mahomes excels at. Goff looks like a deer in headlights when he can't play with his bread and butter.

This is the ONE reason I love Wentz.....but, Goff outplays him in many others ways....but, against he Pats, Wentz wins....lol, but Wentz never gets us to the bowl, because like Jim McMahon, he is always hurt. Yep, Wentz has NEVER played a playoff game...it's lonely at the top, bro (jaggesque line)

ramdonnie · Feb 5, 2019

thirteen28 said:
What would you have done? Running up the middle wasn't going to happen because of the way they countered our ZBS. The best way to counter it would have been sweeps and pitches to Gurley ... who was limping. CJ can't run those plays, he's a between the tackles guy. Simply put, there was just not going to be much of a run game for us given NE's defensive gameplan, which was about as perfect as it could have been for our offense, and without Kupp, the passing game wasn't going to be as effective.

Further, if you look at the games this year where he "abandoned the run", there is a common thread in them - they all occurred after Gurley was hurt. There isn't one game prior to that this past season where Gurley was at full health where McVay abandoned the run or otherwise forgot about Todd in the gameplan. There were certainly games where we passed more than we ran, but in those games it was party because we were getting chunk plays, moving the ball, and scoring points. But when it wasn't working as well (e.g., at Detroit, at Denver), McVay showed plenty of willingness to rely on the run game ... not to mention the playoffs against Dallas where McVay passed only sparingly, instead choosing a ground and pound attack.

The guy is not Mike Martz. He learns from his mistakes, and he's not afraid to run the ball. What happened Sunday wasn't a case of the same thing that happened when Martz coached in a Super Bowl, abandoning the run against a D that was making little effort to stop it and sold out against the pass while his #1 back was fully healthy. Not even close.

If Gurley's last run was not called back, he was averaging 4.5 yards per rush. 11 for 50 yards. Pats were not snuffing our run. McVay needs to stick with it longer imo.

WarnerToBruce · Feb 5, 2019

I've come to the conclusion that this forum is both too hard, and too soft, on Goff. Weird dynamic.

It's true he missed a ton of open guys this SB, almost like he decided pre-snap what he was going to do, and didn't even consider guys who were VERY open based on the coverage. It's true he gets happy feet at times. It's true he has earned the "Deer in the Headlights" reputation at times as well.

AT THE SAME TIME, it is true he, on MANY occasions, made some incredible throws in pressure situations this season. Many in hostile environments, with all sorts of large, fast, angry men in his face. It's true he is a stand-up guy and takes the heat after games where he his performance is sub par. It's also true he doesn't have the "bad teammate" rep of a certain 1st rounder picked right after him.

We can beat this dead horse every day until next season, but the fact is I'd rather have him out there than any other QB in the NFL but one. He is young, trending up, and perfectly capable of delivering my Rams one or more SB wins. I'll take that all day long.

thirteen28 · Feb 5, 2019

ramdonnie said:
If Gurley's last run was not called back, he was averaging 4.5 yards per rush. 11 for 50 yards. Pats were not snuffing our run. McVay needs to stick with it longer imo.

That just shows you have misleading stats are. And the run you are referring to was in the 4th quarter.

ramdonnie · Feb 5, 2019

SteveBrown said:
This is the ONE reason I love Wentz.....but, Goff outplays him in many others ways....but, against he Pats, Wentz wins....lol, but Wentz never gets us to the bowl, because like Jim McMahon, he is always hurt. Yep, Wentz has NEVER played a playoff game...it's lonely at the top, bro (jaggesque line)

Wentz is the new Sam Bradford.

ramdonnie · Feb 5, 2019

thirteen28 said:
That just shows you have misleading stats are. And the run you are referring to was in the 4th quarter.

The entire game I was saying "run" because I felt they could. Both CJ and Todd averaged over 3 yards per rush. I'll watch it again, but to me that is why we lost - not running enough.

thirteen28 · Feb 5, 2019

ramdonnie said:
The entire game I was saying "run" because I felt they could. Both CJ and Todd averaged over 3 yards per rush. I'll watch it again, but to me that is why we lost - not running enough.

"because you felt they could."

Ok.

ramdonnie · Feb 5, 2019

thirteen28 said:
"because you felt they could."

Ok.

1st & 10 at LAR 27
(12:02 - 1st) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 29 for 2 yards (T.Flowers).

- st & 10 at LAR 45
  (6:09 - 2nd) T.Gurley right tackle to 50 for 5 yards (J.McCourty).
- 2nd & 5 at 50
  (5:33 - 2nd) T.Gurley right guard to NE 47 for 3 yards (L.Guy).
- - 2nd & 10 at LAR 25
    (14:49 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 41 for 16 yards (D.McCourty; J.McCourty).
  - - 1st & 10 at LAR 41
      (14:07 - 3rd) T.Gurley left end to LA 46 for 5 yards (P.Chung; J.Jones). NE-P.Chung was injured during the play. He is Out.
    - - 2nd & 5 at LAR 46
        (13:48 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 46 for no gain (K.Van Noy).
      - 1st & 10 at LAR 2
        (10:02 - 3rd) T.Gurley left guard to LA 4 for 2 yards (D.Shelton). Penalty on LA, Illegal Shift, declined.
        
        2nd & 8 at LAR 4
        (9:30 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 6 for 2 yards (D.Wise).
        
        1st & 10 at LAR 43
        (11:31 - 4th) T.Gurley left tackle to NE 44 for 13 yards (E.Roberts). PENALTY on LA-J.Sullivan, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at LA 43 - No Play.
        
        3rd & 22 at LAR 31
        (10:25 - 4th) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 30 for -1 yards (T.Flowers).
        
        1st & 10 at LAR 44
        (6:07 - 4th) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 45 for 1 yard (T.Flowers; M.Brown).

OntarioRam · Feb 5, 2019

ramdonnie said:
1st & 10 at LAR 27
(12:02 - 1st) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 29 for 2 yards (T.Flowers).

st & 10 at LAR 45
(6:09 - 2nd) T.Gurley right tackle to 50 for 5 yards (J.McCourty).

2nd & 5 at 50
(5:33 - 2nd) T.Gurley right guard to NE 47 for 3 yards (L.Guy).

2nd & 10 at LAR 25
(14:49 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 41 for 16 yards (D.McCourty; J.McCourty).

1st & 10 at LAR 41
(14:07 - 3rd) T.Gurley left end to LA 46 for 5 yards (P.Chung; J.Jones). NE-P.Chung was injured during the play. He is Out.

2nd & 5 at LAR 46
(13:48 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 46 for no gain (K.Van Noy).

1st & 10 at LAR 2
(10:02 - 3rd) T.Gurley left guard to LA 4 for 2 yards (D.Shelton). Penalty on LA, Illegal Shift, declined.

2nd & 8 at LAR 4
(9:30 - 3rd) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 6 for 2 yards (D.Wise).

1st & 10 at LAR 43
(11:31 - 4th) T.Gurley left tackle to NE 44 for 13 yards (E.Roberts). PENALTY on LA-J.Sullivan, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at LA 43 - No Play.

3rd & 22 at LAR 31
(10:25 - 4th) T.Gurley right tackle to LA 30 for -1 yards (T.Flowers).

1st & 10 at LAR 44
(6:07 - 4th) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 45 for 1 yard (T.Flowers; M.Brown).

Not great stats, but good enough that they confirm the decision to give Gurley so few carries made zero sense (if he was healthy enough to perform capably). Especially considering that he had one nice run called back on a bogus penalty flag, and two of his lesser runs came when we were backed up. The game was close throughout. There was no reason to be so pass heavy, especially when you want to run play action all night, and giving Goff easy options on a night he was struggling would have been beneficial. RBs often need carries to get into a rhythm, too. A carry every 3 or 4 series is not a good way to put your back in a position to excel.

Giles · Feb 5, 2019

thirteen28 said:
What would you have done? Running up the middle wasn't going to happen because of the way they countered our ZBS. The best way to counter it would have been sweeps and pitches to Gurley ... who was limping. CJ can't run those plays, he's a between the tackles guy. Simply put, there was just not going to be much of a run game for us given NE's defensive gameplan, which was about as perfect as it could have been for our offense, and without Kupp, the passing game wasn't going to be as effective.

Further, if you look at the games this year where he "abandoned the run", there is a common thread in them - they all occurred after Gurley was hurt. There isn't one game prior to that this past season where Gurley was at full health where McVay abandoned the run or otherwise forgot about Todd in the gameplan. There were certainly games where we passed more than we ran, but in those games it was party because we were getting chunk plays, moving the ball, and scoring points. But when it wasn't working as well (e.g., at Detroit, at Denver), McVay showed plenty of willingness to rely on the run game ... not to mention the playoffs against Dallas where McVay passed only sparingly, instead choosing a ground and pound attack.

The guy is not Mike Martz. He learns from his mistakes, and he's not afraid to run the ball. What happened Sunday wasn't a case of the same thing that happened when Martz coached in a Super Bowl, abandoning the run against a D that was making little effort to stop it and sold out against the pass while his #1 back was fully healthy. Not even close.

I would've continued running the football even if it wasn't effective.
Why you ask because it keeps the defense honest and helps with pass pro.
The rams offense runs through the play action. How is that gonna work with mcvay abandoning the run game?
Hopefully he fixes that problem because as of now he hasn't.
I believe this to be mcvay biggest problem.
We can agree to disagree.

SteveBrown · Feb 6, 2019

ramdonnie said:
Wentz is the new Sam Bradford.

CLASSIC....well, I don't know about that, yet...but, it may be

snackdaddy · Feb 6, 2019

I used to call it baby steps. They won 11 games in McVay's rookie year but lost in the playoffs. I think most of us knew that would be a learning lesson for the next season. It was. They went from baby steps to big boy steps. Heck, going to the Superbowl is more like man steps.

The Rams will be fine. They have a solid core to work with. There will be some changes this offseason but nothing drastic. They will be back and they will be better prepared.

thirteen28 · Feb 6, 2019

snackdaddy said:
I used to call it baby steps. They won 11 games in McVay's rookie year but lost in the playoffs. I think most of us knew that would be a learning lesson for the next season. It was. They went from baby steps to big boy steps. Heck, going to the Superbowl is more like man steps.

Exactly.

He's shown MASSIVE improvement year over year under McVay. In year 1, he went from being a "bust" to a pretty damn good QB. In year 2, he went from that to QBing the Rams to a Super Bowl, doing it without his best WR and with his best RB limited.

dieterbrock · Feb 6, 2019

ramdonnie said:
Wentz is the new Sam Bradford.

That’s likely the best compliment Bradford ever had.
And conversely, the biggest insult ever given to Wentz...

Classic Rams · Feb 6, 2019

dieterbrock said:
That’s likely the best compliment Bradford ever had.
And conversely, the biggest insult ever given to Wentz...

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