WR Josh Gordon traded to Patriots for a 5th

[LesBaker]

If seems you have a bit of misplaced anger towards Gordon, man.

No none at all, he's just a fucking jerk, a liar and a fool wasting his life. Remember he's been doing this for years and years. Since High School.

I don't have to dislike him to understand what he is. In fact I don't give a rats ass about him really. He's a grown man and is pissing his life away and damaging the lives of two women that he got pregnant.

He's a selfish self centered piece of shit.

And a few things to get straight, he has a low catch percentage because he's played for the...Browns!

No, he has a low catch percentage because he catches a below average number of catchable balls, which is what that stat indicates.

It could be a result of being drunk or high on game day, which he says he was almost every game.

His career catch rate is below average. There is nothing to "get straight" about that.

All I'm saying is everything he's said and done has shown me he's remorseful for what he's done and has been fighting hard to get his life right.

Not to me. And It's flabbergasting that a guy can non-stop fuck up his life and the lives of others and you view that as showing you he's remorseful and fighting to get his life back.

All he has done is apologize, then fuck up again and apologize again. What about the fact that he hasn't paid child support for three years to one mother and I believe two to the other? Does that make you feel like he is fighting hard to get right? To me it sounds like he is shirking his responsibilities because he doesn't want to pay to support his children.

What exactly has he done to show you that he is trying? He's doing the same thing over and over and has been for over a decade? How is that showing anything but a sense of entitlement and a feeling that he can keep getting away with it?

It's the same lies and same shit with him. He's a different version of Manziel like I said.

I’m not so sure this holds for players that have previously ticked dirty. If I recall right, they are subjected to random testing for however long. In Gordon’s case, it should have been weekly.

Yes that's true they can get tested randomly several times a year I was just referencing the policy for "general population".

It’s comical really. I know a lot of pot smokers. They smoke every day and several times during the day. If they were drinking, everyone including them would say they have a problem. But because it is pot and chique these days, it’s not. Yeah.. yeah it is.

Well that's a chronic user so yeah if you are smoking that much weed it's gonna have adverse effects for sure.

Funny thing about proponents of medical marijuana that I like to tease about. The list of things that weed "cures" or reduces symptoms is like 2000 different issues. If it actually did all that the drug companies would control the industry LOL.

Weed is a painkiller, yes it is but so is vodka.

Medical weed was passed here in FL and millions of people are going to come down with symptoms to get it hahahaha.

 

[LesBaker]

No need to get so hot and bothered RamFan503. I didn't even dispute any of the points you made here so I'm not sure why the quote and angry response.

I don't think it was angry, @RamFan503 just has a direct style that makes him seem dickish sometimes and he's not (usually). He has a straight line approach and he doesn't have a "gentle applicator" LOL.

 

[RamFan503]

No need to get so hot and bothered RamFan503. I didn't even dispute any of the points you made here so I'm not sure why the quote and angry response. I didn't say weed was a great thing, that it's not a drug, or that it can't make somebody sluggish. I wasn't aware of the other substances and problems that are attributed to Gordon and once it was brought to my attention I posted a more understanding response to that.

I simply argued that the NFL's rules on marijuana use and testing was unfair. My point stands. Just because the NFL can do it doesn't make it right. My employer doesn't dictate what I do on my spare time as long as I show up to work sober and perform my job at an acceptable level.

Clearly there's more going on with Gordon than marijuana so it's a moot point.

Not hot and bothered. I save that for my wife and Charlize Theron. I will admit to being pretty damn tired of excuses and people dancing around recognizing a duck.

 

[kmramsfan]

They signed Britt. He's a knucklehead. Not quite the same level, but still a knucklehead.

And don't forget LaGarrett (roll another) Blount.:rolllaugh:

 

[Karate61]

Not hot and bothered. I save that for my wife and Charlize Theron. I will admit to being pretty damn tired of excuses and people dancing around recognizing a duck.

You need to get a new chick...Charlize is over the hill at 43. May I suggest Margot Robbie:

 

[RamFan503]

You need to get a new chick...Charlize is over the hill at 43. May I suggest Margot Robbie:

You have yours - I have mine.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

It's certainly one possible explanation. We're also talking about a person with mental health issues, including severe anxiety, who just re-injured himself in a non-football activity right before a game. It may be some kind of relapse, but wouldn't say weird behavior for Gordon is automatically drugs or alcohol.

So, after all the other offences, you would go easy on him and give him the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn't.

I've given drug addicts enough chances to know that unless they initiate cleaning up, it doesn't really happen. Even then it can take several attempts, and lots of support. Threats of losing a job,don't outweigh the habit, or emotional distress that leads back to using. And, they all have some type of mental health issue. I'll add that people become conditioned by their environment, over many years. If they have grown accustomed to failure, then when they succeed, it eventually becomes too uncomfortable for them. It causes anxiety and they instinctively want to recreate the conditions that they are most comfortable with. Nobody can change that for them, and as long as they slip up, then they are not changing it themselves. If a drug addict starts at 14 and is now 25, that is 9 years of conditioning to overcome. It's likely longer because the environment they are raised in as a child is likely to have had a big role leading up to them using to begin with. It's a sad situation.

 

[Mackeyser]

So, we won 34-0 against a division opponent, have the best D in the NFL, the best team in the NFL and got a win with (hopefully) no serious injuries...no one retired at halftime...

Are we really arguing about Josh Gordon?

 

[MadGoat]

So, after all the other offences, you would go easy on him and give him the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn't.

I've given drug addicts enough chances to know that unless they initiate cleaning up, it doesn't really happen. Even then it can take several attempts, and lots of support. Threats of losing a job,don't outweigh the habit, or emotional distress that leads back to using. And, they all have some type of mental health issue. I'll add that people become conditioned by their environment, over many years. If they have grown accustomed to failure, then when they succeed, it eventually becomes too uncomfortable for them. It causes anxiety and they instinctively want to recreate the conditions that they are most comfortable with. Nobody can change that for them, and as long as they slip up, then they are not changing it themselves. If a drug addict starts at 14 and is now 25, that is 9 years of conditioning to overcome. It's likely longer because the environment they are raised in as a child is likely to have had a big role leading up to them using to begin with. It's a sad situation.

Or he tweaked his hammy doing a photoshoot he shouldn't have been doing. You've swung from not giving someone the benefit of the doubt to jumping to conclusions. That's worse than going easy on someone in my book.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Or he tweaked his hammy doing a photoshoot he shouldn't have been doing. You've swung from not giving someone the benefit of the doubt to jumping to conclusions. That's worse than going easy on someone in my book.

Read the entire thread. More than once it says that he was not himself, acting strangely, etc.. I am not jumping to conclusions, I am reading. Do you think that NFL coaches can’t recognize when someone is high? Most of them have played and coached in college. They work with young men for their job. If they think that a multiple time drug offender appears to be stoned, then I will believe them. It isn’t like they didn’t give him a chance. They brought him back several times and as soon as he was cleared to return, the could have shopped him, but they stuck with him.

I seriously doubt that they release him because he tweeted his hamstring. It’s not a career threatening injury.

 

[OldSchool]

If seems you have a bit of misplaced anger towards Gordon, man.

And a few things to get straight, he has a low catch percentage because he's played for the...Browns! He's missed as many games as they've had starting QBs. A team so futile didn't need to sit on his talents for the last 6 years hoping the stars would align for him to get his head straight. They could have used the picks and traded him at any time.

Why are they done now? Well, they have the pieces in place. He's replaceable. And Jackson drew a line in the sand in front of national TV audiences with Calloway. His hands were tied over this player.

Not every team passed over him before the draft. That's not how that works. He was suspended from Baylor missed a deadline to transfer to Utah and then entered the supplemental draft. And all of this is without me saying the Rams should target this guy, they won't and I don't think they will. All I'm saying is everything he's said and done has shown me he's remorseful for what he's done and has been fighting hard to get his life right.

I damn sure hope he does!

Wasn’t he a 2nd round pick in the supplemental draft? If so that would mean every team in fact did pass on drafting him.

 

[MadGoat]

Read the entire thread. More than once it says that he was not himself, acting strangely, etc.. I am not jumping to conclusions, I am reading. Do you think that NFL coaches can’t recognize when someone is high? Most of them have played and coached in college. They work with young men for their job. If they think that a multiple time drug offender appears to be stoned, then I will believe them. It isn’t like they didn’t give him a chance. They brought him back several times and as soon as he was cleared to return, the could have shopped him, but they stuck with him.

I seriously doubt that they release him because he tweeted his hamstring. It’s not a career threatening injury.

Let me get this straight. You respond to my post where I acknowledge there were reports of him behaving weirdly and then tell me to go back to read that he was acting strangely?

Nobody is saying he suffered a career threatening hamstring injury. Making that argument is just a straw-man tactic to avoid the reality that the Browns have acknowledged that how he injured his hamstring was a factor in his release. He was also constantly late to meetings. I am not ruling out that this is possibly substance abuse related, but we don't have that info yet.

 

[RamsFlash80]

Of course....they will get him for a bag of chips while the rest of the league does nothing. There are quite a few WR needy teams that should be at least trying to out bid the Pats.


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[Akrasian]

Of course....they will get him for a bag of chips while the rest of the league does nothing. There are quite a few WR needy teams that should be at least trying to out bid the Pats.


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Naturally. They lost yesterday, and are 1-1. Their WR corps is in disarray. While this is a gamble, it's the only real opportunity they have to pick up somebody who is potentially a game changer, despite his many flaws.

 

[RamsFlash80]

Naturally. They lost yesterday, and are 1-1. Their WR corps is in disarray. While this is a gamble, it's the only real opportunity they have to pick up somebody who is potentially a game changer, despite his many flaws.

Its irritating that the rest of the NFL just let things like this happen. They will likely get him for like a 5th or 6th while other teams who could use him just as much will just watch from the sidelines. This is why they are always contenders.

 

[Stl2La]

Of course....they will get him for a bag of chips while the rest of the league does nothing. There are quite a few WR needy teams that should be at least trying to out bid the Pats.


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They don’t sign knuckleheads though

 

[Zodi]

Of course....they will get him for a bag of chips while the rest of the league does nothing. There are quite a few WR needy teams that should be at least trying to out bid the Pats.


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Marijuana is recreationally legal in Mass. Oh shit.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Let me get this straight. You respond to my post where I acknowledge there were reports of him behaving weirdly and then tell me to go back to read that he was acting strangely?

Nobody is saying he suffered a career threatening hamstring injury. Making that argument is just a straw-man tactic to avoid the reality that the Browns have acknowledged that how he injured his hamstring was a factor in his release. He was also constantly late to meetings. I am not ruling out that this is possibly substance abuse related, but we don't have that info yet.

You were suggesting that I was jumping to conclusions. I pointed out that I was going by what I read. No jumping.

I also pointed out that if they were looking for an excuse to cut or trade him then they already had several. But they didn’t. Which tells me that they are not fabricating their reasons. They wanted him back. A hammy didn’t change that. Coming in acting peculiar did. They don’t want the headache. No straw man. This isn’t Ranststalk.

 

[12intheBox]

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[Ram_Rally]

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This is a win for us honestly. He could've gone to the niners, Seahawks, or eagles . Not to mention that of all the power teams in the league, the Patriots might be the hardest to thrive on