I might take Mateer in Round 1. I'd need to watch him more closely to confirm. But as I see it, we have the rare situation where we can take a risk and buy low on a gifted kid who has uneven film and some flaws that can be cleaned up. Packers have done quite well with that over the years.It's a problem for those who rely too heavily on a QBs physical upside and not enough of the mental upside / experience. Teams swing for the fences for the former, but I've noticed that over the years that this has led to the vast majority of 1st round busts at the position.
Meanwhile, the league has enjoyed good QB play from guys who couldn't hold a candle physically to the busts that had the great physical upside. It's crazy that what may be the best QB in the 2021 1st round draft class may be the one with the least physical upside (Mac Jones).
All that said, I'm not saying a team should consider a 5'10" QB like Young. Or even a 6'0" QB like Tua Tagovailoa. But, until I'm shown otherwise, Simpson is right at or close to 6'2". Unofficially, he's listed at the same 6022 that Stafford was listed at when he entered the league (though the latter was/is thicker).
Nussmeier? Mateer? They may turn out to be nice later round selections. But, I don't see in them what I see in Simpson's one year sample size. Mateer relies too much on his legs and while I don't know the plays or intent, for some reason Nussmeier seems to make some of the dumbest decisions with the football. And this with his dad coaching in the league. He also can't seem to stay healthy. I would have thought that both would have gotten better this year. But, they didn't.
I don't know where Sellers will slot if he comes out, but if he's available to us when we pick, I'd draft him. Think that kid can be a special player in the right situation, and we're a team that presents that sort of situation.If you want to see ugly quarterbacking turn on some tape of Sellers. We can say the same things about him. Where will he slot though? Probably quite a bit higher than those others. And why is that? Because of upside, which includes sufficient height for the position and a stronger arm. Would he have shown more with a better OL? I think so, but you never know. There may be a team out there thinking he can be an offensive piece like Taysom Hill even if he can't do the QB1 role. So again this stuff all comes down to projections by the scouting.
Nussmeier and Mateer being later round selections was precisely my point. If teams look at the overall picture of Simpson's one season as a starter in college ball and decide he's a high floor QB with a let's say not too high ceiling, he's gonna slide. He won't be going top 5 that's for damn sure. Probably ends up as a round 2 grade and maybe a team takes him end of round 1. And maybe that team is the Rams. But what we're doing here is trying to guess how all the NFL teams are going to grade him. 30 teams may grade him as a QB2 at the NFL level and thus a midround pick, but all it takes is one team to take him earlier. So even after the draft it's not like we know where he was graded overall.
It's like talking previous drafts and comps for these guys, complete guesswork based on what our opinions were at that time. So this is why I'm trying to be somewhat open minded about where these guys might slot. I know that I don't stack a board and have a system and all that which will lend me some consistency. I just watch some tape of them and some interviews and place my bets.
Think we talked about him before and liked the Baker comparison.I’m convinced Mateer hasn’t been the same since the injury.
I’d be shocked if he didn’t return to Oklahoma which is why I left him off my list.
If he does come out, just seems like a McVay kind of guy
I like his spunk, but the 1st round would be too risky for me. That's not buying low enough, IMO.I might take Mateer in Round 1. I'd need to watch him more closely to confirm. But as I see it, we have the rare situation where we can take a risk and buy low on a gifted kid who has uneven film and some flaws that can be cleaned up. Packers have done quite well with that over the years.
I don't think Simpson drops out of the top 10, either. I also don't see a dominant DL or OT, so I have a feeling the Rams trade back.Not sure he makes it to #32, but I agree on Simpson.
A top 10 selection is going to be very interesting in this draft class. It's kind of funny. Where is the surefire premium pass rusher or franchise LT that usually goes top 10? It looks like the probable best players available play non premium positions.
Day 1 starter and immediate upgrade to the OL at RTI don't think Simpson drops out of the top 10, either. I also don't see a dominant DL or OT, so I have a feeling the Rams trade back.
That lack of a a dominant DL or OT makes me wonder if they will be able to trade back.I don't think Simpson drops out of the top 10, either. I also don't see a dominant DL or OT, so I have a feeling the Rams trade back.
Day 1 starter and immediate upgrade to the OL at RT
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMuwz-luYf8
The same as Fano
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20mFkptZGYQ
Both top 10 picks by most estimations. Also a couple CB in Jermod McCoy and Mansoor Delane could be around that time we could really use. There are also some very good RT that will be gone later in the first and in the second rounds.
If you insist. It's funny though I've never seen those complaints about either of the tackles. I looked into it a bit and found it funny how many good LT and RT have had the same issues. I don't worry about little things like that.All good players, perhaps. But from what I've seen and read, Fano seems light in the pants. The Miami kid is said to have short arms and being viewed as a potential guard prospect. McCoy has been injured and hasn't played a down all season. And there are questions about Delane's speed and lack of arm length.
This draft lacks the Marvin Harrision Jr., Joe Alt, Malik Nabers, Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Aiden Hutchinson, Derrick Stingley, Sauce Gardner, Penei Sewell, Patrick Surtain, Jaycee Horn, Ja'Marr Chase, Chase Young, Derrick Brown, Nick Bosa type of top 10 talents.
Oh well. Teams have to got draft who is available. But to trade up one of the players you listed? Sure. It's possible, but that may very well be a pipe dream.
End of the day, we have a long ways to go until the draft. We'll find out about speed and arm length in due time. Prospects usually have flaws. It's a question of what you can live with.If you insist. It's funny though I've never seen those complaints about either of the tackles. I looked into it a bit and found it funny how many good LT and RT have had the same issues. I don't worry about little things like that.
Last report I saw had Delaane at 4.44 so I'll take that every day of the week. And with his change of direction ability and his short area quickness he's more than good enough for a CB1.
Agreed I just always laugh at the arm length issue. We're not even to the point you cite and people will write off a prospect already. It can be a factor with a prospect but there are players that overcome it. Example Joe Thomas had 34" arms.End of the day, we have a long ways to go until the draft. We'll find out about speed and arm length in due time. Prospects usually have flaws. It's a question of what you can live with.
Doesn't exist lolBut we want someone who is perfect in every way.
I have. For example, here's OLine guru Brandon Thorn on Fano:If you insist. It's funny though I've never seen those complaints about either of the tackles. I looked into it a bit and found it funny how many good LT and RT have had the same issues. I don't worry about little things like that.
Last report I saw had Delaane at 4.44 so I'll take that every day of the week. And with his change of direction ability and his short area quickness he's more than good enough for a CB1.
Generally speaking "official" measurements come from the combine or a teams private workout if they desire.I have. For example, here's OLine guru Brandon Thorn on Fano:
Lean build and light in the pants results in him getting stalemated and pried open too easily, especially on angle-drive blocks.
You can even see it when you watch him. One of the other draft gurus mentioned arm length on one of the podcasts.
But, the real key isn't whether or not they are good players. The key is are they deemed so good that teams will believe that they won't be able to find comparable players at their spots or later and want to trade up for them. At least that's what I thought WarlordJC and I were discussing.
BTW, some of these kids have been measured, unless Bruglar is lying when he mentions he has official measurements on a kid.
No. Final "official" measurements that we can get access to come during the pre-draft combine and private workouts. But, contrary to what may be popular or your belief, NFL scouts who visit campuses during the season have some measurements on some of these kids. And some of these kids are even measured during Pro Days of the prior draft class. (I've even seen those in articles). And some of these draft gurus have access to those scouts. Bryan Broaddus mentioned a Will Campbell short arm measurement last year in a podcast during Campbell final season (pre-combine/pro-day).Generally speaking "official" measurements come from the combine or a teams private workout if they desire.
As for the rest whatever floats your boat. Like I said above to Jrry Joe Thomas had 34" arms and he was I'd say ok at LT. I don't write off a prospect because of things like that like you or others. What they do on the field with pads on is what matters and those 2 OT are going to be top 10 picks if not top 5 and have every chance to be incredible tackles.
Yeah, the debate on this topic is gonna be endless. I'd bet this ends up being the longest thread in the history of ROD.Most entertaining that's for sure!
The young'uns on ROD probably don't even know how great Pendleton was for us at QB!You mean like this guy ...
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