Which QB should the Rams draft in the 1st Round next year?

[So Ram]

I just don't follow the Titans so not really qualified to even "fan" over whether Ward is the problem. Rookies are gonna rookie. Also this is the same team that shitcanned Levis quickly, who in comparison did some good things mixed in with hero ball nonsense. So do they really need to take Mendoza? I have no idea.

But their next coach may have something to say on that. Unless they hire him based on the agreement he will live with Ward. Which is where you get back to the importance of owners in the conversation.

I figure they will sell the pick and try to use it to build the roster. But with that owner who knows. She fired one GM a year in to her tenure. So if she thinks Ward is shit then why would you let that GM pick another QB. So it goes. But again I haven't seen enough of Ward to have an opinion based on actual field play I've seen.


They're not that rare. Allen, Stafford, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Rodgers are all of that level among the vet QBs who started game one this year in the league. Of the young kids I consider Maye and Dart possibly joining them. Stroud I think is already among them, he's just having induced struggles. Rodgers is on the way out very soon, so even removing him that's roughly eight of the QBs to my eye who are good enough to threaten defenses without a run game.

This draft Mendoza will probably add to that group. This stuff is subjective, but each year NFL teams are basically trying to find those guys. The greatest QB draft ever had 3 of them go in round one, those being Elway, Kelly, and Marino, but both Blackledge and Eason went before Marino which was fucking absurd given that Marino was one of the very best QBs in league history at carrying an offense without a run game. So while you're only gonna have maybe one of them in a given draft class, they won't necessarily go 1 overall or even in the top 3. Dart is a great example of that NFL team groupthink effect, though he may not last long if he gets another coach who wants to run him to move the chains.

Moore may be one of them if he comes out this year btw. I think both him and Maiava have the toolset to be that level of QBs but they're gonna be lottery tickets much moreso than Mendoza. He's just more of a sure thing who will do the work and has all the tools but it doesn't guarantee anything of course.

WOW - dude I thought I was bad at late night post. Anyways not a big fan of the rookie QB. Bo Mix is balling out.

I wish Mcvay would’ve given Jimmy G a couple snaps in a couple of The Rams blow outs.I also like Bennett as a Rams QB.He’ll get his chance at some point in his career.Whi knows how long he’ll be with Sean Mcvay ??
He won 2 National Championships & think he’d have beaten Bama yesterday as well.

 

[TheTackle]

I think you quoted the wrong person brother. I don't remember sharing those opinions.

Sorry fella that wasn’t directed at you in particular

 

[rdlkgliders]

Sorry fella that wasn’t directed at you in particular

No worries, I was just confused thought maybe I drunk posted, then I remembered I don't even drink lol

For the record, out of the QB's likely to come out I like Mendoza as having the best chance to suceed, his pocket awareness will improve and his toolset is already well above average exiting college.

 

[dieterbrock]

I’d love to hear about when in history a team gave up on the qb they drafted #1 overall after just 1 season

 

[OldSchool]

I’d love to hear about when in history a team gave up on the qb they drafted #1 overall after just 1 season

I mean people think the GM is going to fire himself here after one year. A GM has 2 very important jobs. Hire a coach and get him a QB after those you fill out the roster. People think this GM after firing his first coach is going to do the same with the QB? I'm honestly amazed at it even being suggested.

Reading these fans thoughts on it they all seem to want Cam to stick around and realize his talent. It's a roster not a Cam issue.

Cam Ward

www.titansreport.com

 

[Merlin]

WOW - dude I thought I was bad at late night post. Anyways not a big fan of the rookie QB. Bo Mix is balling out.

I wish Mcvay would’ve given Jimmy G a couple snaps in a couple of The Rams blow outs.I also like Bennett as a Rams QB.He’ll get his chance at some point in his career.Whi knows how long he’ll be with Sean Mcvay ??
He won 2 National Championships & think he’d have beaten Bama yesterday as well.

I liked what I've seen from Bennett of late but with the smaller QBs you're talking outliers for them to succeed. So it is unlikely he's going to be any sort of long term answer as a QB1. At best his ceiling is likely QB2.

Nix is smart but he's a bit limited as a passer. He can make the throws but he's not the type of QB who can rip those deep outs so it means he has to be on time on most of his throws. This makes him easier to disrupt.

It's easy to say oh so and so is gonna be an outlier. But looking at the history of this league and the QB position if you're under 6'2" or so it's really hard to carve out a career as a top QB. Which makes sense when you think about it, given the monstrous size of today's linemen. It actually makes me think the trend at QB going forward is going to be 6'3" or maybe even taller. In other words if anything that requirement is going to get more stringent.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Yep, 100 Coach, QB, protection, skill players that is how it usually works

 

[Memphis Ram]

They're not that rare. Allen, Stafford, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Rodgers are all of that level among the vet QBs who started game one this year in the league. Of the young kids I consider Maye and Dart possibly joining them. Stroud I think is already among them, he's just having induced struggles. Rodgers is on the way out very soon, so even removing him that's roughly eight of the QBs to my eye who are good enough to threaten defenses without a run game.

This draft Mendoza will probably add to that group. This stuff is subjective, but each year NFL teams are basically trying to find those guys. The greatest QB draft ever had 3 of them go in round one, those being Elway, Kelly, and Marino, but both Blackledge and Eason went before Marino which was fucking absurd given that Marino was one of the very best QBs in league history at carrying an offense without a run game. So while you're only gonna have maybe one of them in a given draft class, they won't necessarily go 1 overall or even in the top 3. Dart is a great example of that NFL team groupthink effect, though he may not last long if he gets another coach who wants to run him to move the chains.

Moore may be one of them if he comes out this year btw. I think both him and Maiava have the toolset to be that level of QBs but they're gonna be lottery tickets much moreso than Mendoza. He's just more of a sure thing who will do the work and has all the tools but it doesn't guarantee anything of course.

32 teams with at least 2 QBs.

You listed 5-6 with two maybes. This list included 37 and 42 year old QBs who have been in the league 17 & 21 years, respectively. Doesn't that say that the type of QB that you referred to earlier is a extremely rare find?

 

[Memphis Ram]

Watched everything I could find on Sorsby last night. Total Dart vibes with his film. Similar player in his game with the pocket instincts, feeling the rush, and when to run. Makes big throws. Magnetic personality as well. And being listed at 6'3" means he's at least 6'2" lol.

So I like his game very much. If I was him I'd come out because he'll probably go higher this year than next.

I was on the Sorsby train about a month ago.

But I fell off after his poor showing against two good teams and I read or heard an interview regarding his preference for the RPO offensive type of plays.

 

[OldSchool]

32 teams with at least 2 QBs.

You listed 5-6 with two maybes. This list included 37 and 42 year old QBs who have been in the league 17 & 21 years, respectively. Doesn't that say that the type of QB that you referred to earlier is a extremely rare find?

Funny I was just reading an article that put out this chart. Some interesting numbers there IMO and discussion.

NFL Draft Prep: How Successful are First Round Picks? – QB List

football.pitcherlist.com

 

[Merlin]

32 teams with at least 2 QBs.

You listed 5-6 with two maybes. This list included 37 and 42 year old QBs who have been in the league 17 & 21 years, respectively. Doesn't that say that the type of QB that you referred to earlier is a extremely rare find?

Well first the QB2s are a collection of guys who lack talent and/or shit the bed mentally in the job and ended up as backups. So including them makes no sense to me.

Out of 32 teams let's say six are of that quality on average. Even knowing that every year is a bit different, you're looking at roughly 18% of the league's starters.

I don't see that as being all that rare. They are certainly hard to find, i.e. the demand outstrips the supply and probably always will. But if you have a top coach and top evaluative front office, which we do, knowing the direction you should go in any given offseason I would think within a couple offseasons you should be able to find one of them.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Well first the QB2s are a collection of guys who lack talent and/or shit the bed mentally in the job and ended up as backups. So including them makes no sense to me.

Out of 32 teams let's say six are of that quality on average. Even knowing that every year is a bit different, you're looking at roughly 18% of the league's starters.

I don't see that as being all that rare. They are certainly hard to find, i.e. the demand outstrips the supply and probably always will. But if you have a top coach and top evaluative front office, which we do, knowing the direction you should go in any given offseason I would think within a couple offseasons you should be able to find one of them.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

If the QB2s could meet the criteria they could be starters elsewhere and the demand wouldn't be nearly as high. There would be no need whatever for teams to trade so much draft capital in an attempt to obtain even a good QB. Aaron Rodgers wouldn't still even be able to find a job in the league.

 

[PhillyRam]

It's the choice of words that gives the wrong impression.

Realize the mistake they made with Ward.

That choice of phrase conveys that opinion from the person saying it. Even if you later say you don't dislike the guy you've already set the tone.

Now if it had been phrased "If they think they made a mistake in Ward" youre 100% putting it on the Titans and not you.

That said how does a GM keep his job by bailing on the QB he took first overall by taking another QB the following year? If I'm the team owner or president that guys fired for even suggesting it because it tells me I made a mistake with them.

I don’t get your angle of dismissing my post and or this scenario because you think I have something against Ward. That's childish. Yeah, I have a viewpoint that Mendoza appears to have that something special about him that could make him a better prospect than Ward.

Not being a professional scout, nor being on the Titans coaching staff, I can't say that for sure. Nor can I say that they feel Ward is not the prospect they thought they were getting.

I will add that Ward came out in a very weak QB draft and he was pretty much their only option last year for a QB desperate team. Now they might have a much better option. So just asking IF they feel that way, would they have the stones to move on already?

The Cards did this just a few years ago when they took Murray and gave up on Rosen. Rosen was a top ten pick and they realized he wasn't it. That's all I am asking here. Could it happen again?

 

[Merlin]

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

If the QB2s could meet the criteria they could be starters elsewhere and the demand wouldn't be nearly as high. There would be no need whatever for teams to trade so much draft capital in an attempt to obtain even a good QB. Aaron Rodgers wouldn't still even be able to find a job in the league.

I think you just want to create a larger number here. Point is those top end QBs, which by my definition are capable of winning you a game when the run game isn't there, are in starting roles. Not backup roles. So I think your assertion is completely absurd, which I agree is where an agreement to disagree is a good idea.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I think you just want to create a larger number here. Point is those top end QBs, which by my definition are capable of winning you a game when the run game isn't there, are in starting roles. Not backup roles. So I think your assertion is completely absurd, which I agree is where an agreement to disagree is a good idea.

My mistake.

I read your statement "The ones who can move an offense and compete without the benefit of a run game, and everyone else," as something one could do consistently. I came to this conclusion and believed your original statement to be absurd given your apparent view on Ty Simpson even though he had good games moving his offense and competing minus a good run game (and bad games minus the same).

But with this new understanding I'll have to say that probably most of the starting QBs in the league and some of the backups can do it from time to time if the "run game isn't there." Especially if the threat still exists via play action. Any squirrel can find a nut.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I’d love to hear about when in history a team gave up on the qb they drafted #1 overall after just 1 season

There are a lot of teams that should have.

But, yeah. I don’t recall a team ever doing that.

 

[OldSchool]

I don’t get your angle of dismissing my post and or this scenario because you think I have something against Ward. That's childish. Yeah, I have a viewpoint that Mendoza appears to have that something special about him that could make him a better prospect than Ward.

Not being a professional scout, nor being on the Titans coaching staff, I can't say that for sure. Nor can I say that they feel Ward is not the prospect they thought they were getting.

I will add that Ward came out in a very weak QB draft and he was pretty much their only option last year for a QB desperate team. Now they might have a much better option. So just asking IF they feel that way, would they have the stones to move on already?

The Cards did this just a few years ago when they took Murray and gave up on Rosen. Rosen was a top ten pick and they realized he wasn't it. That's all I am asking here. Could it happen again?

I literally said exactly what my thinking was in what you quoted. I guess you didn't read it which is fine.

Also Rosen was a 10th overall pick not the #1 pick but he was let go due to a #1 pick. It also went with an established GM though it was a 1 year coach which the GM having a history there was able to survive for a while. Rosen and Ward are nothing alike. Add to that for now Ward has a positive TD/Int ration a bit higher on the comp % and even though Rosen went to a better team being .500 the previous couple years.

You are suggesting a #1 overall pick be traded after 1 years. Has that ever happened? If it did was it from a first time GM? Those are a couple things that I think you're brushing off entirely too easily because of this Rosen deal that is nowhere near an equal scenario. Now a quick look at the list of #1 overall picks I see many that were traded but not a single one that I can recognize that was traded after one season, maybe I missed one please if I did let me know.

I think you're trying to create a scenario that has a near 0% chance of happening. Cool great generate discussion. My contribution to that discussion you created is to say I don't think that has ever happened and I doubt this will be the first time it has ever does. It can by no means am I dealing in absolutes (why I said a near 0% chance to happen) but I think the odds of it are so low that it's not something I would spend time considering, I've already spent more time on the topic than I think it's worth. One thing is for certain if it does happen no matter how good I think Mendoza has a chance to be this will set the Titans back massively and I hope that a franchise foolish enough to move on from a #1 overall pick QB after one year deserves a run like the Raiders and the Browns have had and they're continual bottom feeders because to me doing that is one of the most idiotic things a franchise can do. Again not saying you are for bringing this up I'm saying a franchise doing this deserves to lose because it's stupid to do it.

 

[OldSchool]

There are a lot of teams that should have.

But, yeah. I don’t recall a team ever doing that.

I went back through the #1 overall pick list and I cannot see a time it's ever happened. And for good reason too.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I went back through the #1 overall pick list and I cannot see a time it's ever happened. And for good reason too.

I just looked as well.

There are definitely guys in that list that haven’t done well.

The biggest take away is that teams know they are going to take lumps early on, in hopes that it pays off.

 

[OldSchool]

I just looked as well.

There are definitely guys in that list that haven’t done well.

The biggest take away is that teams know they are going to take lumps early on, in hopes that it pays off.

With a 1st overall pick teams will give them a couple years because of them being that 1st pick. They absolutely will move on but so far a 1 year move is something we havent seen. Don't even remember it being discussed.