Where should Nick throw it?

[RamzFanz]

Haven't we learned anything yet,? You mean like there are many Rams fans who think Cook is a lot worse than he actually is? @junkman

Cook was the option on that play to move the chains.

Cook folds under pressure. I'm not sure why he's still on the field and can only hope WW spells the end for Cook.

 

[RedRam]

He not only should have thrown it to Cook, the ball should've been at least half way there in the screen shot. We've had very few receivers hit in stride this year where they are set up to have YAC.

Agreed. The guys I was watching the game with and myself were constantly saying, "WTF is he waiting for? Throw the ball!" It seemed like every throw was late and never in stride. The one I remember as being ok was the "lateral" pass to Austin I believe. That one scared the crap out of me because if it would've hit the ground, it would be a live ball.

 

[blackbart]

Cook folds under pressure. I'm not sure why he's still on the field and can only hope WW spells the end for Cook.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I disagree and see no evidence to back your position. Most of the balls that have been incomplete to him have been because of poor throws, he has had a cople that I would put on him but so have others like the one TA dropped in Minnesota.

I feel like Cook has been mis-used this year, he would be a much better asset to this team catching balls up the seam like we saw the last two years or on quick slants like we saw against Seattle game 1 this year. Throwing him something behind the LOS or coming back toward it is not his best scenario.

 

[RamzFanz]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I disagree and see no evidence to back your position. Most of the balls that have been incomplete to him have been because of poor throws, he has had a cople that I would put on him but so have others like the one TA dropped in Minnesota.

I feel like Cook has been mis-used this year, he would be a much better asset to this team catching balls up the seam like we saw the last two years or on quick slants like we saw against Seattle game 1 this year. Throwing him something behind the LOS or coming back toward it is not his best scenario.

Uhhhh, OK. Cook hasn't had nightmare drive and TD killing drop after nightmare drive and TD killing drop?

When the ball hits you squarely in the hands and you don't catch it, that's a drop.

I don't even know what to say to that.

The urge for people to blame Foles has led them to a dark place. alm:

Is the TD drop against the Steelers who we lost to by less than a TD one of them you would "put on" Cook?

Is the drop Sunday in the seam on 3rd down one of them you would "put on" Cook?

What about the four drops against the Browns and the fumble in the end zone? All Foles?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I see the point you are trying to make but Brady is 38 years old. Of course, media would be looking for a successor. And lets let Allen Iverson tell us about practice.

Still doesn't change the point. It is a cerebral game and QB is the mot cerebral position. Not only intelligence is important but the ability to process very quickly and have that message go to through the nerves and to the muscles very quickly is where it is at. Maybe this can be compensated for by being in the same system for ten years but I prefer a quick start. I just don't think Foles has the ability to think fast enough and react. Maybe he is still learning the system or maybe like Kurt says, it doesn't fit him as well?

Something is wrong because he missed Britt completely on the first play. A play that was designed to get him open so the Rams begin with a quick strike. I don't even think he looked Britts way on that play.

 

[blackbart]

Uhhhh, OK. Cook hasn't had nightmare drive and TD killing drop after nightmare drive and TD killing drop?

When the ball hits you squarely in the hands and you don't catch it, that's a drop.

I don't even know what to say to that.

The urge for people to blame Foles has led them to a dark place. alm:

Is the TD drop against the Steelers who we lost to by less than a TD one of them you would "put on" Cook?

Is the drop Sunday in the seam on 3rd down one of them you would "put on" Cook?

What about the four drops against the Browns and the fumble in the end zone? All Foles?

The one against the Steelers is that the on Kendrick dropped? No I would not put that on Cook.

The drops I attribute to the receivers are the ones they don't have to make an extraordinary effort to get to. If Foles throws it in a place where they have to dive or reach behind them no that's on him.

FWIW The stats on sports charts show 227 attempts 134 completions and 14 drops for the Rams this year so 35% of the attempts are uncatchable through 7 games. No matter who is throwing it that is a bad place to start from.

 

[RamzFanz]

The one against the Steelers is that the on Kendrick dropped? No I would not put that on Cook.

My bad, I was looking at his blatant TD drop against Dallas and confused them.

The drops I attribute to the receivers are the ones they don't have to make an extraordinary effort to get to. If Foles throws it in a place where they have to dive or reach behind them no that's on him.

Well, if you mean Cook, fine. If you mean a good receiver, those are expected to be caught more than dropped. Don't you find it odd that Bailey and Tavon have almost no drops yet Cook has a pile? Is Foles just terrible when throwing to Cook?

So Sunday, in his hands in the seam, drop or not?

The 4 against the Browns, drops or not?

FWIW The stats on sports charts show 227 attempts 134 completions and 14 drops for the Rams this year so 35% of the attempts are uncatchable through 7 games. No matter who is throwing it that is a bad place to start from.

I don't look at the sports charts at all anymore, they are not kept up to date and are horribly inaccurate.

Saying Foles throws too many passes poorly isn't disputed. It doesn't relieve Cook of his drops.

 

[blackbart]

My bad, I was looking at his blatant TD drop against Dallas and confused them.



Well, if you mean Cook, fine. If you mean a good receiver, those are expected to be caught more than dropped. Don't you find it odd that Bailey and Tavon have almost no drops yet Cook has a pile? Is Foles just terrible when throwing to Cook?

So Sunday, in his hands in the seam, drop or not?

The 4 against the Browns, drops or not?



I don't look at the sports charts at all anymore, they are not kept up to date and are horribly inaccurate.

Saying Foles throws too many passes poorly isn't disputed. It doesn't relieve Cook of his drops.

I don't have all of the games recorded or enough time to go back and watch them or try to compile stats. I have seen some passes that were drops by Cook and others that were thrown so poorly they would have been good catches had he made them. The one I remember from this week was on the sideline and would have been short of the first down if he had come up with it.

If anyone has another source they think is more reliable that sporting charts I'd be happy to have another site for comparisons.

ESPN which I don't count on for much does not show drops 20 receptions in 37 targets
Pro Football reference shows only 1 target from Sunday
Rotoworld 1 catch for 10 not even how many targets

Could Cook have played better, yes. Him and about 52 other guys on this roster. Is he the reason they are .500 no, I would put that more on the QB than a guy that gets a chance to touch the ball about 4 times a game.

 

[junkman]

@RamzFanz @blackbart

PFF gives Cook a "percent caught" grade of 58.8%, which ranks him 54th out of 67 TEs who play 25% or more of snaps. They credit him with 5 drops, which is tied for 1st most among these TEs. He also has 1 fumble and 1 INT for a ball intended for him.

Against MIN, PFF gave Cook 1 reception on 3 targets and 1 dropped pass. 2 Rams drops total on the day, where the other one was Tavon.

 

[blackbart]

@RamzFanz @blackbart

PFF gives Cook a "percent caught" grade of 58.8%, which ranks him 54th out of 67 TEs who play 25% or more of snaps. They credit him with 5 drops, which is tied for 1st most among these TEs. He also has 1 fumble and 1 INT for a ball intended for him.

Against MIN, PFF gave Cook 1 reception on 3 targets and 1 dropped pass. 2 Rams drops total on the day, where the other one was Tavon.

Do you know if that % is based on targets or catchable balls?

 

[RamzFanz]

@RamzFanz @blackbart

PFF gives Cook a "percent caught" grade of 58.8%, which ranks him 54th out of 67 TEs who play 25% or more of snaps. They credit him with 5 drops, which is tied for 1st most among these TEs. He also has 1 fumble and 1 INT for a ball intended for him.

Against MIN, PFF gave Cook 1 reception on 3 targets and 1 dropped pass. 2 Rams drops total on the day, where the other one was Tavon.

Thanks.

 

[RamzFanz]

I don't have all of the games recorded or enough time to go back and watch them or try to compile stats. I have seen some passes that were drops by Cook and others that were thrown so poorly they would have been good catches had he made them. The one I remember from this week was on the sideline and would have been short of the first down if he had come up with it.

If anyone has another source they think is more reliable that sporting charts I'd be happy to have another site for comparisons.

ESPN which I don't count on for much does not show drops 20 receptions in 37 targets
Pro Football reference shows only 1 target from Sunday
Rotoworld 1 catch for 10 not even how many targets

Could Cook have played better, yes. Him and about 52 other guys on this roster. Is he the reason they are .500 no, I would put that more on the QB than a guy that gets a chance to touch the ball about 4 times a game.

Who would give him more chances?! Dude blows sure TDs and 3rd downs like birthday candles. I'm willing to guess he will not be seen much if WW plays even half way decent.

Foles has lost us games. Cook has lost us games. Foles has some valid reasons and some bad throws. Cook just has catchable balls dropped. Forget the uncatchable ones, that's on Foles. The catchable ones are all on Cook.

 

[Legatron4]

TA has burst speed, not deep speed. He will be the first to tell you that and has several times in interviews. TA deep almost never works, especially with Foles. Foles throws a deep ball you have to adjust to, jump for, and fight for. TA can't get separation and is too small to fight for the ball.

I agree about hitting TA in stride. Foles is having real issues spotting the receiver and hitting him on time.


As far as Cook in the above question, I can understand why Foles chooses not to throw it to him.

I don't think we will ever agree on this subject lol Tavon runs a 4.2 forty. Go routes are thrown at about 40 yards. I just don't know where this logic comes from man.

 

[RamzFanz]

I don't think we will ever agree on this subject lol Tavon runs a 4.2 forty. Go routes are thrown at about 40 yards. I just don't know where this logic comes from man.

From Tavon Austin himself and his history of not getting separation long.

Yeah, I'm sure until there are examples of success, we won't agree and that's OK. I am having a hard time remembering a single deep ball to TA that worked where his separation from coverage wasn't a blown assignment. I'm sure he's had them, but not many. One day I'll track them down.

 

[TexasRam]

Cook always appears to be a great wide open option.

Trust your heart not your eyes.

You know in your heart it ain't gonna end well if you throw to cook.

 

[maximus]

Throwing a jump ball in the endzone to Britt, in a game where Britt showed up to play, it is not such a bad decision at it is made to be. If Britt gets open in the endzone, Cook drops or fumbles, the QB will be blamed why he did not throw it to Britt.

 

[maximus]

The first play of the game was a mind boggling screw up. That play was specifically installed for Foles to throw it deep and get up early in the Vikings game. Throw deep to Britt. That was the play. There was no other target in that play. It was Britt deep. It worked beautifully and Foles never looks his way. How do you not even look at Britt on that play that seemed to be specifically designed for..........Britt to catch the ball deep?

What is also mind boggling is why the OC did not call the same play to start the OT. Vikings proved they could not stop the play, it would made sense to call it again... Instead the called play is a run in a game where Gurley did not had a hole all game long, in a game where the make-shift OL was clearly overmatched in the run game.

 

[jjab360]

Throwing a jump ball in the endzone to Britt, in a game where Britt showed up to play, it is not such a bad decision at it is made to be. If Britt gets open in the endzone, Cook drops or fumbles, the QB will be blamed why he did not throw it to Britt.

This post is what's called hitting the nail on the head.

 

[sostl]

looking at the coaches film; foles, barnes, and donnal didnt play well.