Where should Nick throw it?

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Elmgrovegnome

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I agree. I was high on him coming out. Yes he has done nothing yet but to me the best asset for a QB is his ability to get rid of the ball and pre snap reads. Two of his best assets coming out. If a QB has that it typically translates.

He showed enough last year in practice for some New England reporters to speculate that the aging Brady may retire early and give way to the Garapolo. I think he will be good but even if he isn't the point is that the brain is where to start with a QB IMO. Look at Brees. People passed on him due to his size. Some guys can process the info quicker than the rest and it is a huge edge, similar to Donald getting off the snap so quickly. Slow thinking QBs are not for todays NFL.
 

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So to prove the wide receivers aren't open, you post something with the wide receivers open.

Some weird shit being used to defend Foles from his crappy game.
 

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I bet a double reverse, jet sweep to Austin would fool everyone.
Oh wait...
 

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He showed enough last year in practice for some New England reporters to speculate that the aging Brady may retire early and give way to the Garapolo. I think he will be good but even if he isn't the point is that the brain is where to start with a QB IMO. Look at Brees. People passed on him due to his size. Some guys can process the info quicker than the rest and it is a huge edge, similar to Donald getting off the snap so quickly. Slow thinking QBs are not for todays NFL.

I see the point you are trying to make but Brady is 38 years old. Of course, media would be looking for a successor. And lets let Allen Iverson tell us about practice.;)
 

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Why does he clock the ball with a minute left ? Total waste of a down . That's the part I have trouble with .
 

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This is a screenshot of the first play of the day just at the point where Foles could have thrown. I don't need to point out which one is Britt. The fakes worked perfectly and you can't tell me Foles doesn't have the arm for this because he's made this kind of throw in other games. Hell, he made it later on in this game.
In defense of Foles, he's throwing into the wind and it's his first pass of the game. He could have been unsure of how the wind would effect the ball. If it comes up short thats any easy pick in our territory and a possible score. Even Teddy had issues throwing into the wind.
 

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Before I forget my two points.....
I would have liked the formerly employed Sted ( or is that soon to be former Ram known as Sted?) to work an out route....Not a comeback here, to clear more space.....And of course throw to Cook. Although if you like Britt......
does it bother anyone else that over and over the Rams have the big slow guys running go routes and fly routes
Most of these guys run 4.5 or less...And I have no problem throwing to the bigger targets with a larger catch radius....I actually have a problem with all the little guys....not getting open, not winning contested balls, not stretching the field...just too many small wrs on the damn team...So, I prefer most of the big plays go to Cook, Britt, and Quick....I believe the main problem with the passing offense is the reliance on Tavon, Sted, and Britt trying to open the field for each other....I noticed how Dez Bryant opens the field for the other wrs on his team...Alshon does the same...So does Julio Jones...If we could get one guy to really develop chemistry with our QB, perhaps the other receivers become more dangerous.....perhaps.....
 

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In defense of Foles, he's throwing into the wind and it's his first pass of the game. He could have been unsure of how the wind would effect the ball. If it comes up short thats any easy pick in our territory and a possible score. Even Teddy had issues throwing into the wind.
1) He looked good on a similar pass, that was completed, that was going the same direction....He should have told Cig B4 the game...I can't make that throw.....And if he can't....we've got the wrong guy behind the center...

2) That's why you throw B4 the game...in warmups....judge how the wind effects your passes....Biggest crock of shit excuses about this game and the wind....

3) Teddy's arm is weaker than mine...and I'm damn near 50.....
 

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OPTION C) To Cook who's running down the seam



Almost universal approval for Cook as the option. But, haven't we learned anything??



Yeah, there we go. But, snarky comments aside, a confident NFL QB who trusts his teammates takes Cook all day long. He's clearly beaten the LB coverage. So why not take him? I can only speculate but...
  • Foles has lost confidence in Cook. So have I. So has @shaunpinney
  • The play design kinda left Sendejo bracketing Cook. With otherworldly anticipation, Sendejo could jump the route and make an INT. Not likely.
  • OR... more likely Sendejo could light up Cook after the reception. Of course, that's what TEs are paid to do, Cook should run over Sendejo (yeah, right, who am I kidding?).
  • It does sorta beg the question, why have Bailey run a comeback leaving someone in Cook's path? Two possibilities - that this is a bad play design by Cignetti. But just as possible, this is a good play design by Cignetti, that Cook is just a decoy running the middle to make the D honest, occupy both a LB and a S. Which takes us to...
First, I want to say, I like this kind of thread, great post.

And my answer to C is ... well, okay, I'll admit that my impression was that he was locked on to Britt, so who's open probably doesn't matter. And I don't think he processes fast enough to even get to option on Austin.

And I know that Cook isn't known for making his catches in stride consistently, but if I am Foles, and the OC keeps designing plays that get Cook open, then I keep bouncing that freaking football off of his hands, chest, helmet, whatever until the coach either puts someone in there who can make the play or calls something else.
 

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I'm still mad about spiking the ball and wasting the down with so much time left instead of rolling with the hurry up no-huddle, haven't got to this play yet.:sneaky:
 

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1) He looked good on a similar pass, that was completed, that was going the same direction....He should have told Cig B4 the game...I can't make that throw.....And if he can't....we've got the wrong guy behind the center...

2) That's why you throw B4 the game...in warmups....judge how the wind effects your passes....Biggest crock of crap excuses about this game and the wind....

3) Teddy's arm is weaker than mine...and I'm damn near 50.....
When can you start? It's a possibility. He was definitely scared to throw it, but like you said he let the other deep one rip. Someting must have changed, I think Foles saw him but had adjust because of pressure than figured he couldn't hit Britt that deep; again think I haven't rewatched anything. All I know is if Foles gor picked on that pass there would 10x more hate for Foles. Either way he does need to improve.
 

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He not only should have thrown it to Cook, the ball should've been at least half way there in the screen shot. We've had very few receivers hit in stride this year where they are set up to have YAC.
 

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OK. A few more screen prints. A quick disclaimer - I don't really know everything, I just pretend I do.

What DID Foles actually do? Here's the ball after just being released. He's taking the deep shot to Britt.

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Let's go back to the original options.

OPTION A) To Britt steaming down the left side line on a GO route
Didn't turn out well. Vikes are in soft coverage to stop a GO route. 6'1 218 lb corner Xavier Rhodes, while not having a great year, is in a coverage that plays to his strengths and is running stride for stride with Britt. But Foles is locked onto Britt and doesn't change his eyes the whole time. The ball was almost intercepted by Rhodes, and THEN could have been intercepted on the deflection by Vikes all-world FS Harrison Smith (#22).


OPTION B) To Sted Bailey, covered by a safety, who's running a comeback pattern



Imho, Kudos to @flv for making this call. Bailey, the slot guy who was abandoned by the blitzing slot corner is now covered by Vikes #34, sub-par slow-footed Vikes SS Andrew Sendejo. Even without a sight adjustment, Bailey could catch the ball on a comeback, make this guy miss and do some damage. Sendejo also has dual responsibilities on this play, both covering Bailey and bracketing Cook. Bailey is the "easy" choice, the "safe" choice, the "smart" choice, with the Rams taking what the Vikes are giving them. Imo.


OPTION C) To Cook who's running down the seam




Almost universal approval for Cook as the option. But, haven't we learned anything??



Yeah, there we go. But, snarky comments aside, a confident NFL QB who trusts his teammates takes Cook all day long. He's clearly beaten the LB coverage. So why not take him? I can only speculate but...
  • Foles has lost confidence in Cook. So have I. So has @shaunpinney
  • The play design kinda left Sendejo bracketing Cook. With otherworldly anticipation, Sendejo could jump the route and make an INT. Not likely.
  • OR... more likely Sendejo could light up Cook after the reception. Of course, that's what TEs are paid to do, Cook should run over Sendejo (yeah, right, who am I kidding?).
  • It does sorta beg the question, why have Bailey run a comeback leaving someone in Cook's path? Two possibilities - that this is a bad play design by Cignetti. But just as possible, this is a good play design by Cignetti, that Cook is just a decoy running the middle to make the D honest, occupy both a LB and a S. Which takes us to...


OPTION D) To Tavon Austin...


Part of this is a trick question. With Cook clearing out the LB, Austin literally had the entire half of the field all to himself along with Vikes 13 yr vet Terrance Newman, who is really JAG in soft coverage. Tavon is running a comeback pattern too, so it wouldn't take much to zip the ball out to Tavon who'd then have Newman 1v1 in space. Isn't that our dream scenario for Tavon?? I mean, if he makes Newman miss, he'd still be running. Hmm...

But, I don't think this thought ever crossed Foles' mind.


CONCLUSION / UPSHOT:
As best I could determine based on where Foles helmet was turned, he was looking at Britt the whole time. By forcing it deep to Britt, who it turns out was the only person covered on the play, Foles almost cost the Rams an INT. Twice. Sure, Foles took his deep shot. And if Britt made the acrobatic play, the discussion would be very different.

With 53 seconds left, there was plenty of time to take what the Vikes offered - anybody but Britt 'cuz everyone other than Britt was open - and keep the drive going. Instead, the Rams were left with 3rd and long, failed to convert on third down (who could have predicted that?), let the clock run out and settled for a FG.

Shame. Opportunity missed.


Also getting ROD votes: Wes Welker and Jimmy Garoppolo. :sneaky:

I guess we'll never know what was going on in Foles' head, if I was the QB i would have doubts in targeting Cook, but I think you all know I'm not a Cook fan. I'm also concerned with the niggling thought of are players (QBs) under this regime, regimented far too much, I don't know. Our QBs just ooze conservatism and normality, and I'm not putting the loss down to Foles at all, considering our d-line and o-lines were banged up I thought we did really well. As I mentioned in another post, this game was marked down with an "L" at the start of the season...

The only thing I can think is IF Britt had caught that pass it would have been a TD, and I like that. What worries me about the Rams, and it has done for quite a while is as @junkman stated "let the clock run out and settled for a FG."
 

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I'm fine with him trying those 1-on-1s but I'd prefer it not be his first read. Hit an open WR if you can then go deep if you're not seeing an opening.
 

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Anyone else feel like Bailey should have adjusted his route to an "out" to take advantage of the secondary? Seems like the kind of thing savvy vet receivers do... settle into the "hole" in the defense. Maybe the play had advanced too much. Or maybe I don't know WTF I'm talking about.
 

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I think what is drilled into his head is "Don't throw an interception" and thus throwing to the middle third is off limits unless your in hurry up mode in Q4. I think he ruined bradford too.

As far as his selection, I'm just glad is wasn't another dump off for 3 yards. Our passing game, is, well, to passive. (rimshot)
 

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Haven't we learned anything yet,? You mean like there are many Rams fans who think Cook is a lot worse than he actually is? @junkman

Cook was the option on that play to move the chains.
 

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Britt has made some nice plays and been open down field. I agree on that but I'm just thinking about maximizing the Rams talent. To me it's not better to have Austin coming to a stop and fighting for a ball inside and Britt outside running speed routes. To me it's better to have it the other way around.

I'm not big on Foles at this point but I think he's got a good enough arm. He just waits to long to make the throws and by then the WR is so far they have to stop/slow and wait on the ball.

TA has burst speed, not deep speed. He will be the first to tell you that and has several times in interviews. TA deep almost never works, especially with Foles. Foles throws a deep ball you have to adjust to, jump for, and fight for. TA can't get separation and is too small to fight for the ball.

I agree about hitting TA in stride. Foles is having real issues spotting the receiver and hitting him on time.


As far as Cook in the above question, I can understand why Foles chooses not to throw it to him.