Where should Nick throw it?

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ChrisW

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Wouldn't 7 on 7 be conducive to timing? Now that I think back, I can't remember many throws were Foles has hit a guy on a timing route. I wouldn't think it would be that big of a problem to fix with some work, but maybe I'm being naive.

With that said, Bailey could make a catch here if the ball comes out on his break, but Cook is clearly getting a big gain here if the ball comes out right now.

Edit: forget what I said about hitting Bailey, the LB is there to make a play.
 

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The Rams screwed up in not choosing Garapolo IMO. He was a second rounder. Sure he was a little short but one thing that always sticks out about him to me was how many times I heard guys say how quick a thinker he is. How quick his release is. How quick his synapse. When he sees it he makes a quick throw. No hesitation, the ball just fires out.

That is a necessary commodity in the NFL today. It is more important than a big arm. The ability to process information quickly and accurately is what makes a good QB good.
 

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Just because I don't trust Cook to catch anything anymore (he is WIDE open though) I'd like to see Gurley chip the blitzing corner and have Foles dump it over the corner to Gurley who would then be 1-on-1 with a linebacker with a full head of steam. I trust Foles can lob it 5-10 yards without too much problem.
 

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Britt has made some nice plays and been open down field. I agree on that but I'm just thinking about maximizing the Rams talent. To me it's not better to have Austin coming to a stop and fighting for a ball inside and Britt outside running speed routes. To me it's better to have it the other way around.

I'm not big on Foles at this point but I think he's got a good enough arm. He just waits to long to make the throws and by then the WR is so far they have to stop/slow and wait on the ball.
I agree I think Austin needs the ball on those slants and crossing routes too, he is proving his toughness the guy rarely goes down on the first hit. I really hope Foles turn it around I really do
 

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The Rams screwed up in not choosing Garapolo IMO. He was a second rounder. Sure he was a little short but one thing that always sticks out about him to me was how many times I heard guys say how quick a thinker he is. How quick his release is. How quick his synapse. When he sees it he makes a quick throw. No hesitation, the ball just fires out.

That is a necessary commodity in the NFL today. It is more important than a big arm. The ability to process information quickly and accurately is what makes a good QB good.

Garoppolo hasn't proven anything in the NFL. If the Rams screwed up, it was not trading up for Derek Carr that year. But hindsight is 20/20.
 

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The Rams screwed up in not choosing Garapolo IMO. He was a second rounder. Sure he was a little short but one thing that always sticks out about him to me was how many times I heard guys say how quick a thinker he is. How quick his release is. How quick his synapse. When he sees it he makes a quick throw. No hesitation, the ball just fires out.

That is a necessary commodity in the NFL today. It is more important than a big arm. The ability to process information quickly and accurately is what makes a good QB good.
It sounds good until we actually take Garoppolo or any other QB, they struggle a little and make some bad decisions behind a bad supporting cast and questionable coaching and we're looking at more threads just like this one going "man, this guy sucks if only we had taken (insert QB here)".
 

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So is Cignetti responsible for our run game? Or is it Boras that set that up?
 

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It sounds good until we actually take Garoppolo or any other QB, they struggle a little and make some bad decisions behind a bad supporting cast and questionable coaching and we're looking at more threads just like this one going "man, this guy sucks if only we had taken (insert QB here)".

And then we get a real franchise QB, we realize that our supporting cast wasn't as crappy as it seemed, and our pass blocking was actually better than we thought too.
 

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This is a screenshot of the first play of the day just at the point where Foles could have thrown. I don't need to point out which one is Britt. The fakes worked perfectly and you can't tell me Foles doesn't have the arm for this because he's made this kind of throw in other games. Hell, he made it later on in this game.
 

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The Rams screwed up in not choosing Garapolo IMO. He was a second rounder. Sure he was a little short but one thing that always sticks out about him to me was how many times I heard guys say how quick a thinker he is. How quick his release is. How quick his synapse. When he sees it he makes a quick throw. No hesitation, the ball just fires out.

That is a necessary commodity in the NFL today. It is more important than a big arm. The ability to process information quickly and accurately is what makes a good QB good.

I'm not sure Fisher likes a fast thinking QB, and thats me being honest there. He seems to hate a fast paced offense...
 

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The Rams screwed up in not choosing Garapolo IMO. He was a second rounder. Sure he was a little short but one thing that always sticks out about him to me was how many times I heard guys say how quick a thinker he is. How quick his release is. How quick his synapse. When he sees it he makes a quick throw. No hesitation, the ball just fires out.

That is a necessary commodity in the NFL today. It is more important than a big arm. The ability to process information quickly and accurately is what makes a good QB good.

I agree. I was high on him coming out. Yes he has done nothing yet but to me the best asset for a QB is his ability to get rid of the ball and pre snap reads. Two of his best assets coming out. If a QB has that it typically translates.
 

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This is a screenshot of the first play of the day just at the point where Foles could have thrown. I don't need to point out which one is Britt. The fakes worked perfectly and you can't tell me Foles doesn't have the arm for this because he's made this kind of throw in other games. Hell, he made it later on in this game.
you could find a handful more of these just in this game. its become pretty obvious he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing out there and I'm pissed off this guy can't even be average! he only thrived in Kellys offense cause it was simple, get the ball out quick and the recievers get yards after catch or handoff it off. he obviously can't diagnose a live play action pass.
 

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I'm not sure Fisher likes a fast thinking QB, and thats me being honest there. He seems to hate a fast paced offense...
you would think so looking at him now. but he had Mcnair running around making plays on the fly and Eddie George to plow ahead. and a smash mouth D that almost shut the Rams down in the SB and teams all season. fuck it lets find a smart more mobile QB in next years draft. who's out there?
 

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you could find a handful more of these just in this game.

I've no doubt. In fact I'm tempted to watch the all 22 of every passing play to see how bad it was.

He definitely needs to be more decisive. He's obviously capable because he wouldn't have succeeded in Philly if he wasn't.

It's not necessarily coaching or play calling because that first play of the game was designed to get Britt free over the top. It worked perfectly and he had all the time in the world but didn't take the shot.
 

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Just because I don't trust Cook to catch anything anymore (he is WIDE open though) I'd like to see Gurley chip the blitzing corner and have Foles dump it over the corner to Gurley who would then be 1-on-1 with a linebacker with a full head of steam. I trust Foles can lob it 5-10 yards without too much problem.
Then you missed his lob 10 yds over TGs head on that screen to the right later in the game. :shocked:

The fakes worked perfectly and you can't tell me Foles doesn't have the arm for this because he's made this kind of throw in other games. Hell, he made it later on in this game.

I wonder if the wind didn't spook him into pulling that down. His arm has not impressed me at all this season. At this point, it is all I can come up with. I hate the thought that our QB has a wet noodle for an arm, but I would hate worse to think that he flat doesn't see the field either.
 

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OK. A few more screen prints. A quick disclaimer - I don't really know everything, I just pretend I do.

What DID Foles actually do? Here's the ball after just being released. He's taking the deep shot to Britt.

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Let's go back to the original options.

OPTION A) To Britt steaming down the left side line on a GO route
Didn't turn out well. Vikes are in soft coverage to stop a GO route. 6'1 218 lb corner Xavier Rhodes, while not having a great year, is in a coverage that plays to his strengths and is running stride for stride with Britt. But Foles is locked onto Britt and doesn't change his eyes the whole time. The ball was almost intercepted by Rhodes, and THEN could have been intercepted on the deflection by Vikes all-world FS Harrison Smith (#22).


OPTION B) To Sted Bailey, covered by a safety, who's running a comeback pattern


Imho, Kudos to @flv for making this call. Bailey, the slot guy who was abandoned by the blitzing slot corner is now covered by Vikes #34, sub-par slow-footed Vikes SS Andrew Sendejo. Even without a sight adjustment, Bailey could catch the ball on a comeback, make this guy miss and do some damage. Sendejo also has dual responsibilities on this play, both covering Bailey and bracketing Cook. Bailey is the "easy" choice, the "safe" choice, the "smart" choice, with the Rams taking what the Vikes are giving them. Imo.


OPTION C) To Cook who's running down the seam


Cook, on that particular play, IMO.

Almost universal approval for Cook as the option. But, haven't we learned anything??

Towards Cook - but it would have been futile as he'd drop it anyway...

Yeah, there we go. But, snarky comments aside, a confident NFL QB who trusts his teammates takes Cook all day long. He's clearly beaten the LB coverage. So why not take him? I can only speculate but...
  • Foles has lost confidence in Cook. So have I. So has @shaunpinney
  • The play design kinda left Sendejo bracketing Cook. With otherworldly anticipation, Sendejo could jump the route and make an INT. Not likely.
  • OR... more likely Sendejo could light up Cook after the reception. Of course, that's what TEs are paid to do, Cook should run over Sendejo (yeah, right, who am I kidding?).
  • It does sorta beg the question, why have Bailey run a comeback leaving someone in Cook's path? Two possibilities - that this is a bad play design by Cignetti. But just as possible, this is a good play design by Cignetti, that Cook is just a decoy running the middle to make the D honest, occupy both a LB and a S. Which takes us to...


OPTION D) To Tavon Austin...


Part of this is a trick question. With Cook clearing out the LB, Austin literally had the entire half of the field all to himself along with Vikes 13 yr vet Terrance Newman, who is really JAG in soft coverage. Tavon is running a comeback pattern too, so it wouldn't take much to zip the ball out to Tavon who'd then have Newman 1v1 in space. Isn't that our dream scenario for Tavon?? I mean, if he makes Newman miss, he'd still be running. Hmm...

But, I don't think this thought ever crossed Foles' mind.


CONCLUSION / UPSHOT:
As best I could determine based on where Foles helmet was turned, he was looking at Britt the whole time. By forcing it deep to Britt, who it turns out was the only person covered on the play, Foles almost cost the Rams an INT. Twice. Sure, Foles took his deep shot. And if Britt made the acrobatic play, the discussion would be very different.

With 53 seconds left, there was plenty of time to take what the Vikes offered - anybody but Britt 'cuz everyone other than Britt was open - and keep the drive going. Instead, the Rams were left with 3rd and long, failed to convert on third down (who could have predicted that?), let the clock run out and settled for a FG.

Shame. Opportunity missed.


Also getting ROD votes: Wes Welker and Jimmy Garoppolo. :sneaky:
 
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So that is 4 possible TD's.... and counting. Anyone see a pattern?

Yea.

And the depressing answer is Foles can't find the EZ.

A lot to be angry about when your WRs haven't been good for years.

But Foles misses way too many explosive plays. And is awful in the intermediate game over the middle.

We should have at least 5 more passing TDs than we currently have.