What’s your success-o meter reading

[gabriel18]

After taking some time and watching some Stafford highlights, I’m cautiously optimistic. We still need to upgrade the oline or it won’t matter who’s the QB. There’s quite a few good players that will be leaving through free agency. Finding a big red zone receiver is a must. Also an inside LBer who can finally stuff the run. I’m all in like I am every year. Too bad it’s going to be a long 8 months till we see real football again.
One more thing that bothers me.
Even though I was hard on Goff this year , I truly feel bad for the way he’s being treated. Just leaving LA and ending up in Detroit will be hard to take.
Bottom line is this 26 year old kid got us to the playoffs 3 of 4 years and a super bowl appearance. After 15 years of being the doormat of the NFL , that’s a big accomplishment. He’s no Mahomes but he’s certainly not as bad as what’s being said by every sports show I watch. I wish him all the luck because he’ll need it in Detroit.

 

[Merlin]

I think this was one of the worst board reactions to one of the best acquisitions we have made in years.

 

[UKram]

If we are a SB contender for the next 5 years - a really tough out in the playoffs that no one wants any part of - I wont be able to complain.

Obviously, I‘d like a title - and initially, I thought title or bust. But really, having a top tier team and a legit show at the title every year is more than most NFL fans have.

I think this team is stacked.

See that’s my issue we were competing and competitive with goff and were a missed FG from making it 4/4 for playoffs in the goff/mcvay era ... the only reason I say we need to win a super bowl with Stafford or this trade was pointless .. because we gave up 2 1sts and a third

 

[thirteen28]

We absolutely have to make the playoffs and advance once there. Not making the playoffs this year after this trade and all the turmoil would be a disaster. Making it but being one and done, while not being a disaster, would certainly not be a good look. And if the QB misses any significant time due to injury, that will be a very bad look as well given what we know about Stafford's medical history. While this offense will be able to do some things with Stafford that it couldn't do with Goff, there is still much to be done that should have been done for Goff last year but wasn't.

I won't say we have to win a Super Bowl or even get to one, because sometimes a QB can play like shit, have a 55% completion percentage in the post-season and throw three gawd-awful picks on the road in a conference championship in the second half and his team still somehow stumbles into the Super Bowl, while a week earlier another team's QB can start out the game 18/20 against that same team and still end up losing.

On the other hand, a Super Bowl win with Stafford at QB next year would pretty much seal the deal on this trade being successful and would emphatically erase the doubts many of us (myself most definitely included) have about it at this time.

 

[12intheBox]

See that’s my issue we were competing and competitive with goff and were a missed FG from making it 4/4 for playoffs in the goff/mcvay era ... the only reason I say we need to win a super bowl with Stafford or this trade was pointless .. because we gave up 2 1sts and a third

we were competing - but cmon, the only reason we had any confidence at all in the playoffs was our D. Our offense had been stuck in the mud.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

Be a legitimate Super Bowl contender for 7 years. Championship not necessary.

 

[OldSchool]

Be a legitimate Super Bowl contender for 7 years. Championship not necessary.

The person pushing for Stafford disagrees.

 

[Loyal]

The person pushing for Stafford disagrees.

YOU SONOFA ~ Fish


RG-3 Draft Haul

 

[KayJay]

It’s super bowl or bust. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

Pretty much. We scapegoated someone else, so naturally we are expecting better results. Jared got to a superbowl, so naturally I expect Stafford to win one.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I think my point is ... we could have rolled with goff one more and by using our knowledge of the last four years make the playoffs and if he shit the bed (which is a possibility )move on and use our firsts to go after another QB in the draft ... we are now tied to Stafford for at least two years if not three

I guess my best analogy would something like buying a car driving it for a few years then buying an the exact “same” model that’s older for more money and getting the same mpg.. speed .. etc ..


As for draft picks ... we do pretty well in later rounds .. imagine what they could do with some 1st round talent available.. and let’s be honest the set up we have no is way better than we had during the space linehan fisher years

Yes, I fully see your point, and I think it’s a terrible idea!

If we were to have a crappy season next year... finish 8-8, we’d pick 15th in the 2022 draft. In order to move up to the “prime” spot to get an elite QB, we’d STILL have to give up TWO future #1 draft picks.

And the contract for a top QB is pretty hefty.

But that “top QB” would still be an UNKNOWN. Look at the 2016 draft...not only the top 2 QB’s had trouble (Goff and Wentz) but actually the first SEVEN QB’s didn’t pan out!

Point is.... Stafford is a KNOWN commodity.

No freaking way I want to roll the dice and “hope for a good QB in the draft” like Sam freaking Bradford.

If you are in total rebuild mode—the cupboard is bare, and ya got no other choice—then yes, look for your franchise QB at the top of the draft.

But if you’re like the Rams— solid team with the #1 Defense, solid running game, just a couple pieces away—you should bring in the PROVEN vet QB who can push you to the top.

 

[AZRams]

I perceive urgency from the team. Seems clear to me the idea is to win a Super Bowl with this core of players while the window is open for them.

It could be that this regime will define success or failure by whether they achieve that goal.

Recently, when the subject of trying to land Stafford came up inside the Rams offices, McVay gave the Perspicacious Quote of the Week: “It’s not about winning the trade. It’s about winning the Super Bowl.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-super-bowl-rams-lions-trade-fmia-peter-king/

Eyes on the ball. Gotta give him that, he knows what the target is.

Do we trust the method he and Snead are employing to get there is the question for me now.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Superbowl or bust is ridiculous. Anything can happen in the playoffs. However, I would expect to be at least in the running for 1st seed for playoffs next year and never have our playoff berth be in doubt. That's my floor. Back to back to back Superbowl wins is my ceiling obviously lol.

 

[thirteen28]

Superbowl or bust is ridiculous. Anything can happen in the playoffs. However, I would expect to be at least in the running for 1st seed for playoffs next year and never have our playoff berth be in doubt. That's my floor. Back to back to back Superbowl wins is my ceiling obviously lol.

I thought so too, and wrote as much above ... but someone else disagrees with me:

The person pushing for Stafford disagrees.

 

[OldSchool]

@XXXIVwin What aren't you sure about? That wasn't my comment it was the guy who made this trade happen. The bar for success is set by the guy running the team. Not sure why fans would accept anything less after saying Goff was holding us back either.

 

[XXXIVwin]

All the people hand-wringing about how we’ve “mortgaged our future”, I call bullshit.

We supposedly “mortgaged our future” in 2018, and yet now in 2021 we have ANOTHER championship window to enjoy.

With Stafford, Woods, Kupp, Whit, Akers, AD, Ramsey, Brock, Williams, and all the rest... we are absolutely loaded with talent for the next 2 or 3 years.

And guess the fuck what...

In three years time, after the window is supposedly “closed”, we will have our #1 picks back and Snead and McVay will have totally revamped this team into yet another contender.

Snead and McVay have PROVEN they know what they’re fucking doing.

Rams are perennial Super Bowl contenders. Can you even imagine saying that sentence ten years ago? Enjoy the damn ride!

 

[XXXIVwin]

@XXXIVwin What aren't you sure about? That wasn't my comment it was the guy who made this trade happen. The bar for success is set by the guy running the team. Not sure why fans would accept anything less after saying Goff was holding us back either.

What I disagree with is some fans who imply that “If we don’t win the SB then this trade was a mistake.”

McVay has been a freaking savior to this franchise.

I think McVay and Snead have made MANY brilliant moves to maximize the Rams chances for success, and this trade is just the latest one.

Let me put it this way: if someone said “McVay needs to win the Super Bowl in the next year or two or he should be fired”, I’d think that would be idiotic.

 

[OldSchool]

What I disagree with is some fans who imply that “If we don’t win the SB then this trade was a mistake.”

McVay has been a freaking savior to this franchise.

He absolutely has been but you can't separate the trade from his record. This is a part of it. It's not the determining factor on his success just like Jared isn't a determining factor of his success but both are part of the overall equation.

I think McVay and Snead have made MANY brilliant moves to maximize the Rams chances for success, and this trade is just the latest one.

They've built a very good team I don't know anybody who would say otherwise.

Let me put it this way: if someone said “McVay needs to win the Super Bowl in the next year or two or he should be fired”, I’d think that would be idiotic.

It would be idiotic and to my knowledge nobody has said that though I have a handful of people ignored on this forum because they're negative about everything to the point of being toxic. That's not what I said at all. I said exactly what McVay said the goal is a Super Bowl win and that's the expectations. I agree with the coach not sure where you're getting the rest of the idea about firing him and thinking we aren't a good team though.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Just a reminder.... winning a Super Bowl is HARD.

You need great coaching, a loaded roster, balls of steel, AND.... luck.

Back in the magic season of 1999 we took the league by storm with a brand-new offense AND we had an incredibly lucky run of no injuries... yet we STILL only claimed victory by ONE FREAKING YARD.

In 2018, we AGAIN took the league by storm with a new offense. Yet in the title game we were without our 1A receiver (Kupp) and our RB was gimpy (Gurley). Our defense played lights-out... with a healthy Gurley and a healthy Kupp, might that have been enough? And by comparison, if our 1A receiver were out (Holt) and Faulk was gimpy, might we have lost SB34?

My point being: I feel that all I can ask of a Coaching staff is to put us in POSITION to win.

There are a lot of other talented teams out there, some with generationally ELITE Quarterbacks (Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, etc.) To win it all, EVERYTHING has to go your way.

 

[XXXIVwin]

He absolutely has been but you can't separate the trade from his record. This is a part of it. It's not the determining factor on his success just like Jared isn't a determining factor of his success but both are part of the overall equation.


They've built a very good team I don't know anybody who would say otherwise.

It would be idiotic and to my knowledge nobody has said that though I have a handful of people ignored on this forum because they're negative about everything to the point of being toxic. That's not what I said at all. I said exactly what McVay said the goal is a Super Bowl win and that's the expectations. I agree with the coach not sure where you're getting the rest of the idea about firing him and thinking we aren't a good team though.

Agreed, you have never said McVay should be fired, and that's why I worded my comments the way I did.

OTOH, you are also at times extremely critical, to say the least.

But you've also said,

"The Rams got played pure and simple and deserve to be laughed at", "Snead what a colossal fucking joke," "That's bad management," and "I'll think about coming back maybe eventually. Snead and McVay gone will help speed it up."

Dude, you've been a loyal Rams fan for forty years, I don't doubt that you love this team and you always wish them well. But you question the wisdom of many of the moves by Snead/McVay. So we have a difference of opinion there, big whoop. Cheers.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Playoffs every year are my expectations.

As far as the big picture canvas we're good.