What’s your success-o meter reading

[OldSchool]

Agreed, you have never said McVay should be fired, and that's why I worded my comments the way I did.

OTOH, you are also at times extremely critical, to say the least.

But you've also said,

"The Rams got played pure and simple and deserve to be laughed at", "Snead what a colossal fucking joke," "That's bad management," and "I'll think about coming back maybe eventually. Snead and McVay gone will help speed it up."

Dude, you've been a loyal Rams fan for forty years, I don't doubt that you love this team and you always wish them well. But you question the wisdom of many of the moves by Snead/McVay. So we have a difference of opinion there, big whoop. Cheers.

And in the heat of the moment we all say things we regret later and look at where I'm at. The next morning I was back here posting my feelings about this.

The bolded is literally the vast majority of this board (edit forgot to put in draft and free agency).

I posted critical thoughts about McVay and Snead because all year and most of last year Goff has been the target of everybody's anger for losses. Very very rarely does McVay take any heat for his short comings. Almost never do he and Snead take heat for their draft misses and contract's that have come back to bite us. I was trying to simply point out areas where Jared wasn't the only guy at fault for the team failing to win in '18 and not getting back there in two years since.

I'm an equal opportunity offender giving credit and criticism equally to McVay and Snead and the players. I honestly around here don't see many others willing to acknowledge errors in McVay and Snead's actions or decisions it's all on the players to some.

 

[tempests]

Just a reminder.... winning a Super Bowl is HARD.

You need great coaching, a loaded roster, balls of steel, AND.... luck.

Back in the magic season of 1999 we took the league by storm with a brand-new offense AND we had an incredibly lucky run of no injuries... yet we STILL only claimed victory by ONE FREAKING YARD.

In 2018, we AGAIN took the league by storm with a new offense. Yet in the title game we were without our 1A receiver (Kupp) and our RB was gimpy (Gurley). Our defense played lights-out... with a healthy Gurley and a healthy Kupp, might that have been enough? And by comparison, if our 1A receiver were out (Holt) and Faulk was gimpy, might we have lost SB34?

My point being: I feel that all I can ask of a Coaching staff is to put us in POSITION to win.

There are a lot of other talented teams out there, some with generationally ELITE Quarterbacks (Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, etc.) To win it all, EVERYTHING has to go your way.

If you're wondering why some of us are apprehensive about always sitting out the first round of the draft, that right there is one reason why. It's good to have depth. When Aaron Donald wasn't able to go full strength against the Packers, no one in the Rams front seven was able to step up and help fill the gap. Adding a top prospect at pass rusher, or at tackle, or a QB of the future, all becomes more difficult now.

There's a lot riding on our star players to stay healthy and excel, because if they don't, the "next man up" prospects aren't as strong here as on other rosters.

It seems clear to me that Stafford is in LA to deliver a championship, that's the reason they traded for him, because they believe they can win with him. I surely hope they do, but if the Rams never get closer to the Super Bowl then they just were, it is more than fair to question the wisdom behind it.

 

[Merlin]

Superbowl or bust is ridiculous. Anything can happen in the playoffs. However, I would expect to be at least in the running for 1st seed for playoffs next year and never have our playoff berth be in doubt. That's my floor. Back to back to back Superbowl wins is my ceiling obviously lol.

Every team will tell you their goal is the Super Bowl. But not many will actually operate that way. The Rams' goal really is the Super Bowl. The trade demonstrated that.

Re: Stafford you basically have three to four years to win it all now. His arm and the way he's moving tell me he's got a few years easy.

 

[Mackeyser]

Yes, I fully see your point, and I think it’s a terrible idea!

If we were to have a crappy season next year... finish 8-8, we’d pick 15th in the 2022 draft. In order to move up to the “prime” spot to get an elite QB, we’d STILL have to give up TWO future #1 draft picks.

And the contract for a top QB is pretty hefty.

But that “top QB” would still be an UNKNOWN. Look at the 2016 draft...not only the top 2 QB’s had trouble (Goff and Wentz) but actually the first SEVEN QB’s didn’t pan out!

Point is.... Stafford is a KNOWN commodity.

No freaking way I want to roll the dice and “hope for a good QB in the draft” like Sam freaking Bradford.

If you are in total rebuild mode—the cupboard is bare, and ya got no other choice—then yes, look for your franchise QB at the top of the draft.

But if you’re like the Rams— solid team with the #1 Defense, solid running game, just a couple pieces away—you should bring in the PROVEN vet QB who can push you to the top.

From 2006-2016 the only 1st round QB taken still with his original team is Wentz. Literally EVERY other QB has been traded or is out of the league. And Wentz very well may be traded very soon.

I dunno if the entire NFL failed or if there’s a disconnect between college and how QB skills translate to the NFL, but seems there’s a bigger issue at play than Goff...

 

[FrantikRam]

He absolutely has been but you can't separate the trade from his record. This is a part of it. It's not the determining factor on his success just like Jared isn't a determining factor of his success but both are part of the overall equation.


They've built a very good team I don't know anybody who would say otherwise.

It would be idiotic and to my knowledge nobody has said that though I have a handful of people ignored on this forum because they're negative about everything to the point of being toxic. That's not what I said at all. I said exactly what McVay said the goal is a Super Bowl win and that's the expectations. I agree with the coach not sure where you're getting the rest of the idea about firing him and thinking we aren't a good team though.

These have been McVays expectations every year though. Not really news and doesn't dictate fan expectations.

We lost several coaches and looks like will lose our 3rd, 5th and 7th best defensive players, including our defensive play caller.

Our defense likely falls to the 5-10 range and the offense returning to top 10 would likely offset that.

Whatever your expectations were for next year before the trade should be the same for next year. My expectations for Stafford are the same as they were for Goff.

I think anything short of the NFCCG would be a disappointment, but depends on injuries, etc.

 

[madrid311]

This is what the rams want to do to be competitive every year. I'm glad we get star players, we are in Los Angeles after all ! Why not try and win at all costs. I was a big supporter in Goff but never really saw him get better when it mattered. He had some nice games. The bone head plays never stopped. While we have Donald and ramsey I expect a good Fo's to try and get better every year. To keep the hope and interest alive. I'm way interested to see Stafford carve some nice passes in mcvays offense. Go rams

 

[1maGoh]

My success-o-meter is blowing so much snow right now that I can't see the needle. I have no clue what this looks like short, mid, or long term.

Stafford could be great and gutsy and let us to the promised land (with some help from Snead and McVay).

Or he could be what he has been in Detroit: a very talented non-winner.

Ultimately I think it comes down to McVay and Snead fixing the things we can see. Interior O line. Pass rusher. WTF were some of those play calls? The return of the chunk plays.

Will they fix those? Idk, it's been 2 years and they haven't yet. Sean McVay is a damn good coach and leader of men. I'm sad to say he isn't the super genius I thought he was.

It's ok. If he can fully transition to the leader of the team and find an offensive coaching talent like he found defensive coaching talent, we'll be great. If he keeps up with hires that force him to fill the gaps, we'll still be pretty good.

I'm hopeful, but my success-o-meter is broken and not giving a reliable reading right now.

 

[Rams77]

We absolutely have to make the playoffs and advance once there. Not making the playoffs this year after this trade and all the turmoil would be a disaster. Making it but being one and done, while not being a disaster, would certainly not be a good look. And if the QB misses any significant time due to injury, that will be a very bad look as well given what we know about Stafford's medical history. While this offense will be able to do some things with Stafford that it couldn't do with Goff, there is still much to be done that should have been done for Goff last year but wasn't.

I won't say we have to win a Super Bowl or even get to one, because sometimes a QB can play like shit, have a 55% completion percentage in the post-season and throw three gawd-awful picks on the road in a conference championship in the second half and his team still somehow stumbles into the Super Bowl, while a week earlier another team's QB can start out the game 18/20 against that same team and still end up losing.

On the other hand, a Super Bowl win with Stafford at QB next year would pretty much seal the deal on this trade being successful and would emphatically erase the doubts many of us (myself most definitely included) have about it at this time.

This is the best post Ive seen on this board today..I love the sarcasm and the truth spilled here that Goff needed some more pieces and he never got any credit-unlike Bradys ass who always lucks into great praise. That Super Bowl Brady and Goff put up almost identical numbers but Gronkowski and Edelman made fantastic plays-it wasnt Brady-but he got all the props-just like this years NFCCG. Goff meanwhile started 18-19 at Tampa Bay this year and beat them and started 18-20 at Green Bay and should have beaten them except the defense shit the bed. Anways good luck JG-you were treated like dogshit unrelentlessly by the fans, media, management the past year or so.

 

[thirteen28]

unlike Bradys ass who always lucks into great praise

What ... me sarcastic about Brady?? Bite your tongue!!

 

[Ellard80]

Mcvay been trying to win the superbowl every year.... this trade is just another example.

However... will it work? going by the Percentages probably not.

But ill put it this way - at this very moment - we have a better chance than last year. In my mind.

But it also depends on what the roster looks like at the beginning of next year.

 

[Mackeyser]

This is the best post Ive seen on this board today..I love the sarcasm and the truth spilled here that Goff needed some more pieces and he never got any credit-unlike Bradys ass who always lucks into great praise. That Super Bowl Brady and Goff put up almost identical numbers but Gronkowski and Edelman made fantastic plays-it wasnt Brady-but he got all the props-just like this years NFCCG. Goff meanwhile started 18-19 at Tampa Bay this year and beat them and started 18-20 at Green Bay and should have beaten them except the defense shit the bed. Anways good luck JG-you were treated like dogshit unrelentlessly by the fans, media, management the past year or so.

Yeah, I deleted my response... looked at my avatar and thought better of it.

Disagree with most of it and absolutely disagree with the characterization that Goff was mistreated.

The ONLY time he wasn't treated well was right after the GB game.

That's it.

If he's been treated badly in the 4 years prior, then let's see the posts of the team dogging him out... the articles, etc.

If anything, the Rams were slammed for NOT holding him accountable enough.

But yeah, some folks are gonna hold onto this fantasy narrative for a long time or even forever and it's unfortunate.

 

[thirteen28]

If he's been treated badly in the 4 years prior, then let's see the posts of the team dogging him out... the articles, etc.

He said for the last year or so, not for 4 years prior.

Although to be fair, much of the media never gave him credit when things were going well.

 

[Mackeyser]

He said for the last year or so, not for 4 years prior.

Although to be fair, much of the media never gave him credit when things were going well.

That's true.

but again, when AT ANY TIME prior to the end of the GB game was Goff "treated like dogshit"

I take exception to that insofar as a fan can take exception...

 

[FrantikRam]

He said for the last year or so, not for 4 years prior.

Although to be fair, much of the media never gave him credit when things were going well.

It's really only been three weeks that Goff has been "mistreated" and if reports of his work ethic are true, he should have been mistreated sooner.

 

[thirteen28]

It's really only been three weeks that Goff has been "mistreated" and if reports of his work ethic are true, he should have been mistreated sooner.

By the media? Please. Many of them never gave Goff credit. They established their narrative during Goff's rookie season when he had the worst OC in football, a shitty line, and terrible receivers, and after that they never let go of it even when Goff's play improved dramatically for two years running.

It's just another fucking smear. It's not enough to say "hey, we've got the QB we want now". No, you and others have to smear his ass on the way out.

They did the same with Kurt on his way out.

Classy.

 

[thirteen28]

That's true.

but again, when AT ANY TIME prior to the end of the GB game was Goff "treated like dogshit"

I take exception to that insofar as a fan can take exception...

Not by the organization. Not that it was justified after the GB game.

But by fans? Go look at this board on some of the gameday threads. Even games we won it was in spite of him, never because of him for some posters. And as I just reminded frantik, there were plenty in the media that never gave Goff credit, establishing their narrative during his rookie season and never wavering from it even when he was playing at a very high level.

 

[Merlin]

All boards BBQ their QBs thirteen. Comes with the paycheck and the hot chicks don't feel sorry for them.

 

[12intheBox]

It’s hard to know from the outside whether Goff has been wronged here or if the organization showed great restraint in not airing their displeasure earlier or anything in between. It depends on the underlying reasons why he failed to improve. Maybe it was the pieces around him - maybe he really just never mastered the mental parts of the position and didn’t put in enough work to get there. We don’t know and we never will.

If Goff is the starter in Det next year, and if he sucks - he has a built in excuse. It’s the Lions.

If Goff lights it up next year - I think he can shut a lot of people here up - including me.

 

[Mackeyser]

Not by the organization. Not that it was justified after the GB game.

But by fans? Go look at this board on some of the gameday threads. Even games we won it was in spite of him, never because of him for some posters. And as I just reminded frantik, there were plenty in the media that never gave Goff credit, establishing their narrative during his rookie season and never wavering from it even when he was playing at a very high level.

I really don't care about fans like that.

I was a Goff supporter. Still am insofar as I can be for a non-Ram.

And the media? Like Florio, that asshole? /shrug They never got over Goff not being the bust they labeled him and nitpicked his ass like they were all in the same gorilla troop...

So if that's the contention, I'll step out because I didn't care about that and generally fought on Goff's behalf.

I'm only focused on the organization. Beyond that? It's over... time to move on.

 

[FrantikRam]

By the media? Please. Many of them never gave Goff credit. They established their narrative during Goff's rookie season when he had the worst OC in football, a shitty line, and terrible receivers, and after that they never let go of it even when Goff's play improved dramatically for two years running.

It's just another fucking smear. It's not enough to say "hey, we've got the QB we want now". No, you and others have to smear his ass on the way out.

They did the same with Kurt on his way out.

Classy.

The media not giving him credit is both wrong and irrelevant. There were plenty in the media that supported him. Most of GMFB and Silver to name a few. That the media didn't give him credit is asinine - these are the same people that create topics out of thin air and debate then just to make money.

If it comes out that he wasnt putting in the work we should all be "smearing" him. Mind you, I'm not actually doing that right now - just saying that his lack of work ethic is likely the reason he's gone. But if it's confirmed? Hell yes I'm going to be pissed.