What Vikings Fans Are Saying Before The Game

[SteezyEndo]

Is it Christmas already ?

Lol its basically that time of the season. If the egg nog is in season I am buying it.

 

[dieterbrock]

Ok, do just to be clear, the game is still a 1pm EST/ 10am PST start time right?

 

[Psycho_X]

Ok, do just to be clear, the game is still a 1pm EST/ 10am PST start time right?

yes

 

[Prime Time]

https://scout.com/nfl/vikings/Board...-Keenum-is-a-modern-day-Kurt-Warner-110515458

What if Keenum is a modern day Kurt Warner?

Just throwing it out there. What if Case Keenum has a rise similar to that of Kurt Warner in 99...

oh wait we're the Vikings... we arent allowed to have nice things... #Cursed
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He doesn't have Warner's arm.
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He was, is and will always be a backup QB for the Vikings. He’s reached his ceiling.

https://scout.com/nfl/vikings/Board/102855/Contents/Keenum-Brady-110446476

Keenum > Brady

Keenum is better than Brady, Wentz, Rodgers, Smith, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Stafford, Goff, Carr, etc.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Just for people that always trot this goofy ESPN stat out, feel free to stand by it now.
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Case has been pretty good but this stat says more about ESPN's QBR to me.
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Case is having a wonderful year, he deserves the accolades, too bad the shorties on the Vikings fan pages refuse to accept it.

Pathetic honestly...
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Case:
19th in TDs
16th in YPG
14th in Passer Rating
T-14 in TD / INT Ratio

I think Case has been doing a fine job and this is not a slam on him at all, I couldn't with a straight face attempt to say he's played better Brady, Smith, Brees, Wentz, Rodgers, Wilson, etc.

Just wondering what magical formula ESPN uses that pops that result out.
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Anytime I see a QB's name put in the same sentence with Tom Brady's I know instantly either someone is slinging crap or full of it. The league will have transitioned to unisex flag football and we still will not have seen the likes of the man again.
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Cant measure fire and tenacity. Case has both. Hes our QB.
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Most QBs don't really come into their own until years 3-5. Maybe his 5th year is his breakout year and not a blip on the radar. He has very good mobility and enough arm strength to get the ball deep downfield. He doesn't have Bradford's arm but is a hell of a lot more durable and can avoid the rush. I'm staying with him for now.
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I would suggest that any formula that says Kizer outperformed Goff this past weekend be trashed and forgotten about.
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At this point Keenum grades out at a +.80 which is right under the line of the beginning of elite (+1). That places him probably around 10th in the NFL. I would like to see more consistency though. He's had 2 really great games (Bucs, Skins) and 1 good game (Browns). The other 4.5 games were poor. Still overall though he's getting the job done. If he plays well against the Rams defense then he'll take that next step.
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http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sh...kings-vs-Los-Angeles-Rams-11-19-17-1-00-PM-ET

Week 11: Minnesota Vikings vs Los Angeles Rams

Who would have thought preseason that we'd basically view the Rams like we usually view the Packers and the Packers like we usually view the Rams? They're obviously playing well, but they still lost to the Skins and barely beat the Niners...weeks ago. They beat the Jags, but didn't do much on offense and needed 2 ST TDs to win.

In other words, it'll be like a lot of our games have been- our D can hold their own, so how much can our O score?
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My biggest concern will be Aaron Donald and how we game plan for him. That guy is a sick beast, just nasty. He'll line up against Berger and Brockers will take on Easton. Brockers is having a solid year as well.
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We are going up a Rams offense that is the highest PPG in the league at 33 a game and a defense that is tied for 3rd at 18 a game. It appears they give up yards but buckle down in the red zone.
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1. JARED GOFF, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Passer rating on 3-step concepts: 130.2

Goff is having a breakout season in his second year, and his performance on 3-step concepts is no exception, as he sees the highest passer rating on these passes. Under new head coach Sean McVay’s scheme, Goff has attempted 42 passes on 3-step concepts, completing 31 of them for 351 yards with four touchdowns against no interceptions. He has an average depth-of-target of 3.0 yards and has been pressured on only five of these dropbacks (11.6 percent), a rate good for eighth-lowest among qualifying quarterbacks. - PFF
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24. CASE KEENUM, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Passer rating on 3-step concepts: 72.7

Keenum has attempted 19 passes on 3-step concepts, completing 14 for 142 yards. He has used 3-step concepts on just 7.3 percent of his total dropbacks, easily the lowest rate in the league. Keenum has been unafraid to throw the ball downfield in the rare occasions he does use a 3-step concept, however; his 8.1-yard average depth-of-target is second only to Tampa Bay’s Winston. - PFF
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I think its more of the type of offense we run. Rams have a better OL then we do in terms of PFF grade. I also think that if it was Sam we would probably see this number be higher. IDK, one would think in a WCO we would have more 3 step drops but I guess not. But maybe that just means they run more out of traditional snap instead of shotgun? But it appears we'll need to probably press them a bit more.
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Jared Geof will be running for his life Sunday and will be sacked 6 times. Our defense is coming into this game pissed off because of the performance last week.

Vikings 34
Rams 20
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You can't sack a QB who no longer has the ball
LB pass coverage will be huge
Rams have scored a lot, but it's skewed a bit by scoring 46, 41, 51 against the Colts, Niners, and Giants Ds
They did score 27 against the Jags, but the offense only accounted for half of that.
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Yeah I think this is going to be a huge game for the LBs and DBs. Rams run a lot of misdirection, screens, and quick passes. Going to have to be able to range from sideline to sideline and make solid tackles. Look for Barr and Kendricks to be very active.

 

[OldSchool]

Congrats Vikings fans! They realize how garbage the QBR rating is.

 

[SteezyEndo]

If Barron gets on top of Keenums reads, he is going to have a field day with those 10 yd passes. Keenum is going to rush his throws.

 

[Loyal]

"Case...CASE! You aint wearing a red jersey now....."
~Michael Brockers

 

[Legatron4]

Being a good football team this year really shows me how delusional fan bases can be. Case Keenum is what he is. An average QB with below average arm strength and accuracy. Nothing more, nothing less. He’s a bit of a gamer, but that only goes so far. He’s not the answer for any franchise and never will be. Lifetime backup.

 

[OldSchool]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/930847770948255744

 

[shaunpinney]

Keenum is better than Brady, Wentz, Rodgers, Smith, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Stafford, Goff, Carr, etc.

Case has been pretty good but this stat says more about ESPN's QBR to me.

The first quote made me laugh out loud, but the response from the other Vikes fan almost made me pi$$ myself!

 

[Prime Time]

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Opposition Intelligence and Research, Week 11: Los Angeles Edition
A statistical look at Minnesota’s opponent on Sunday, the Los Angeles Rams
by J-Dog: VikingsSuperFan

The Los Angeles Rams are one of the biggest surprises in the NFL this season. Their 7-2 record places them fourth in the NFC due to tiebreakers and they are currently undefeated on the road. They get to come into the stadium where the Vikings have gone 9-4 since they moved in and play in one of the better games this season has seen. Let’s see how the Rams have done so far this season.

Schedule
The Los Angeles Rams are currently tied for the weakest strength of schedule in the NFL with the Philadelphia Eagles at .398. Their wins have come against the Indianapolis Colts (3-7), San Francisco 49ers (1-9), Dallas Cowboys (5-4), Jacksonville Jaguars (6-3), Arizona Cardinals (4-5), New York Giants (1-8) and the Houston Texans (3-6). Their losses have come at the hands of the Redskins (27-20) and the Seahawks (16-10).

Los Angeles has played like a good team should; they’ve kicked the everloving crap out of teams they should beat (the Giants and Colts), hung on against the 49ers (41-39), took advantage it being an even week to beat the Jags (27-17) and beat a Texans team still dealing with the loss of their starting quarterback Deshaun Watson. Los Angeles is currently on a four-game winning streak and on that streak, they’ve outscored their opponents 144-41. So yeah, their offense is clicking on all cylinders right now.

Most recent game
Los Angeles played the Houston Texans last week and the Texans actually managed to do a pretty good job of shutting down Los Angeles’ offense. Houston kept Los Angeles’ offense to four field goals in the first, second and fourth quarters but fell apart in the third quarter when they allowed the Rams to score three passing touchdowns.

The Rams’ three touchdowns all came on the arm of Jared Goff. His first touchdown was a 94-yard touchdown pass to Robert Woods. His second touchdown went to Sammy Watkins on a 17-yard completion and his third came just 20 seconds later after the Rams strip-sacked Tom Savage and Goff hit Woods again, this time for a 12-yard score.

Goff passed for those three touchdowns and 355 yards while taking three sacks. Johnny Hekker, the Rams punter, went 1/1 for 6 yards on a failed fake punt on a 4th and 7. Todd Gurley rushed 11 times for 68 yards for an average of 6.2 yards per carry. Lance Dunbar rushed five times for 31 yards and also averaged 6.2 yards per carry.

Woods led the Rams with eight receptions on ten targets for 171 yards receiving and two touchdowns. Gurley was second on the Rams with six catches for 68 yards.

That’s how the Rams got through the game against the Texans. Now let’s look at what the Vikings will be facing on Sunday.

Offense

Ground game
The Rams operate a top-10 ground game this season, bolstered by one of the NFL’s top young running backs in Todd Gurley. Their ground game has been consistent the entire season, with just two games where they have rushed for fewer than 100 yards (their loss against the Redskins (97) and their win against the Colts (63)). So this is a team that runs the ball and runs it well.

Gurley is obviously the bellcow in this offense and for good reason. He’s playing like the top running back he was drafted to be in 2015 as he’s top-five in attempts, yards and touchdowns. With Brown hurting his MCL against the Giants, Tavon Austin is the only other non-Gurley runner the Vikings will likely have to worry about against the Rams.

Austin averages about four carries a game and with Brown down, he’s gotten 11 carries over the last two games. The Rams are third in attempts (276), fifth in yards (1159), fourth in rushing touchdowns (10) and thirteenth in yards per attempt (4.2). This is easily one of the strongest group games the Vikings will face all season long and a good way to test Minnesota’s improved run defense.

Los Angeles’ offensive line isn’t quite as bad as Washington’s was in last week’s analysis, obviously, but they have still struggled. Surprisingly enough, they are one of the worst teams in the league at short yardage situations, going just 7 for 17 in short-yardage opportunities (2/3 against the Skins for 1 TD, 2/6 for a TD vs the 49ers, 2/2 vs the Cowboys, 0/1 vs the Seahawks, 0/2 vs the Jaguars, 1/1 vs the Cardinals, 0/2 vs the Giants). Los Angeles’ ground game is only mediocre according to DVOA, scoring a -8.4%.

Their running backs are tenth-worst at getting stuffed at or behind the line of scrimmage and are below-average at getting yardage 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, backed up by the fact that their longest run on the season is 36 yards, tied for 38th in the league.

Passing Game
The Los Angeles Rams have one of the most, if not the most, effective passing game in the league right now. They have won games where they have passed for as few as 107 yards and as many as 339 yards. Their two losses have come when they have passed for for 275 yards and 235 yards, so there’s not a particular way that they have been shut down for a win thus far.

On a ranking scale, Los Angeles is 27th in passing attempts (284), sixth in passing yards (2341), seventh in passing touchdowns (16), and first in net yards per attempt (7.9). This efficiency on offense has allowed Los Angeles to have six players with triple digit receiving yards this season.

Tavon Austin, despite having Los Angeles’ second-highest cap hit, has been one of the worst wide receivers in the NFL and is used more in the ground game then the passing game right now.

Everett is Los Angeles’ 2017 second-round pick and has been an absolute monster every time he touches the football; his 24.8 yards per catch would lead the NFL if he had enough plays to qualify. Tyler Higbee, the Rams’ other receiving tight end, hasn’t been quite as effective, but still has more than 200 yards receiving and one receiving touchdown.

Sammy Watkins has been the top of the second tier of Los Angeles’ receiving options, tallying 372 yards and four touchdowns. Gurley has been one of the better receiving backs in the NFL, totaling 406 yards and three receiving touchdowns in his touches. The Rams main offensive threats this season are wideouts Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods and I would expect Woods to draw Rhodes and Kupp to draw Waynes and Alexander.

One thing that is a noticeable difference between the Skins and the Rams is that the Rams, and in particular the Rams’ main receivers, have a much worse catch percentage than Washington’s receivers. This is partially due to the offense that each team runs and the quarterback each has under center.

As for their offensive line, they are playing particularly well this season. They are tied for fourth in the NFL in adjusted sack rate with an impressive 4.2% sack percentage allowed and have allowed just 13 sacks on the season, fifth in the NFL. 30% of the 13 sacks taken (4) have come in games where Los Angeles has lost, so pressure is very helpful in containing Goff.

Quarterback
Jared Goff was easily one of the three worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season. He did basically nothing well and he was basically cannon fodder for seven straight games. Now he’s playing for a new coach and it’s like he’s a new man.

Goff is playing like a stud this season, with only his completion percentage (61.2%; 25th in the NFL) and QBR keeping him out of the top-10 in every stat I look at in this article. This will be a game where the Vikings need all hands on deck, and the health of Everson Griffen will be paramount to whether the Vikings have a shot in Sunday’s game.


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The Vikings getting pressure on Goff will be key to their winning the game, especially with how often the Rams use play-action to get their deep passing game going.


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Everson Griffen’s presence in Minnesota’s pass rush will be critical. If he had to miss the Washington game in order to be healthy for this one, it will absolutely be worth it for Minnesota’s defense.

Minnesota will also have to hope that Sendejo’s groin injury and the nicks that Xavier Rhodes sustained won’t keep them off the field as being aggressive with the Rams’ receivers will be huge for the Vikings keeping Goff in front of them.

Goff appears to be one of those odd quarterbacks who actually plays better on the road then he does at home. His completion percentage is decimal points better (likely due to having nearly 100 fewer passing attempts on the road), he’s thrown for twice as many touchdowns, less than half as many interceptions, has a QB rating over 25 points higher, has taken fewer sacks, has a higher yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt and yards per game. Basically the only part of his game that has been better at home has been his scrambling game.

This is one hell of an offense that Sean McVay has put together. They consistently get good field position from a mix of a good return game (which I will cover later) and a ballhawking defense that has set them up in good position for scores on numerous occasions throughout the season (also covered later). Just about their only weakness is that they aren’t a great red zone team at the moment, which is likely one of the reasons why they kick so many field goals.

If their offense was to take that next step where they increase the number of touchdowns they score inside the red zone, this offense would become one hell of a juggernaut. But, for now, they remain slightly limited in this area. The offense doesn’t turn the ball over that much, they are highly capable of chunk plays and they both have the ability to take it slow on drives and score in less than a minute if Goff sees a blown assignment.

Now on that cheery note, let’s see what Los Angeles brings to the table defensively.

Defense

Run Defense

I thought that, considering how well the Rams were known for their defense under Jeff Fisher, I’d include a comparison between 2016 and 2017 for this first analysis to see what, if anything, has changed. Honestly, at least in run defense, it’s almost night and day.

The Rams went from ranking in the top ten in yards per attempt against, run defense DVOA, adjusted line yards, and stuffed rank to outside (and well outside in the case of stuffed ranking) the top ten. The biggest reason? The Rams, when McVay assumed control, switched to a 3-4 defense from a 4-3.

As well as the Rams defense is playing in general (they are currently tops in DVOA), this switch has definitely weakened their run defense. One of the biggest reasons their run stuff percentage was so high last year was because Aaron Donald was playing as a 4-3 defensive tackle.

Most teams, when faced with a short-yardage play, trust their offensive line and they usually run straight up the gut. Donald’s play against the run was such that teams would have difficultly blocking him and his other linemates on the interior long enough for their runner to get the necessary yardage.

With him now playing as a 3-4 defensive end, his explosive ability up the middle is really rather blunted and teams have been able to run the ball straight down LA’s throat when they’ve needed to. Even worse for the Rams, most 3-4 teams are usually good at preventing “open field” yards and they have been even worse than last season at stopping it.

Pass Defense

So.....yeah, this is a pretty good passing defense. They have held opponents to a completion percentage under 58% (a very good amount, MN has allowed 62%), are second only to Jacksonville’s studly pass defense in DVOA and have the eighth-best sack rate in the NFL.

The Rams come into their matchup against the Vikings with 11 of their players having recorded a sack (Vikings are still at nine). So yeah, this is a good defense. And I haven’t even gotten to the interceptions yet (but believe me, I will).

Despite their shift to a 3-4 defense impacting their running game, there’s not a whole lot wrong with their passing defense. The Rams have allowed just two wide receivers to gain more than 100 yards against them, DeAndre Hopkins (111) and Pierre Garcon (142), with Dez Bryant being just two yards short (98). So it’s no tall task for the Rams to be beaten by a wide receiver, but it can be done. This is a pass defense that should not be taken lightly.

So....yeah, this is a stingy defense. They are very good at getting themselves off the field posthaste so most teams have to be efficient in their scoring drives against the Rams. They also have to balance that efficiency against not letting LA’s offense back onto the field too quickly as they have easily the most explosive offense so far this season.

One of the flaws the Rams defense has is that they don’t force a whole lot of three-and-outs, so a team can get something going if they find the right rhythm against this defense. They are also just average inside the red zone; they are nearly top-ten in points allowed but are below-average in allowing red zone touchdowns. Basically any team that gets into the red zone against the Rams needs to make the drive count.

Turnovers
Like I said in last week’s article, turnovers are usually what separate the average teams from the elite teams. The average teams have games where they lose the turnover battle and games where they win it. Elite teams are almost always winning the turnover battle, even if they turn the ball over once or twice themselves. The Rams, unfortunately, are very good in this regard, both on offense and defense.

The Rams rank behind only the Ravens (13) in interceptions, so taking care of the ball will be of paramount concern for this game. The Rams already have two pick-sixes this season and I am sure they will be hunting for more against Case Keenum. Their defense has also been good at forcing fumbles, so the Vikings would do well to ensure they don’t have any issues with fumbling in this game.

As for LA’s offense, Goff has been careful with the football this season and only Tyrod Taylor, Alex Smith and Tom Brady have thrown fewer interceptions while starting every game for their team. The one issue that both Washington and Los Angeles appear to have in common is an issue with fumbles.

Washington was and remains a bottom-three team when it comes to fumbles and if the Vikings are hoping for a takeaway against the Rams, they would do well to try and force a fumble. Todd Gurley currently leads all NFL running backs with five fumbles on the season, so Vikings defenders would do well to tear away at the ball as much as they can when it’s in Gurley’s hands.

Special Teams
Special teams will be a crucial part of Sunday’s game (as it usually is in most games). The Rams have what I consider to be one of the five best special teams units in the NFL right now, so the Vikings will, like with the rest of the Rams, have their work cut out for them.

The player Minnesota has to watch out for, both on punt returns and kickoffs, is Pharoh Cooper. He has basically taken over as Los Angeles’ return man over Austin on both kickoffs and punt returns and he is nearly equally dangerous on both.

He is one of three players to have housed a kickoff this season, leads the league in return yards, is second in returns and is seventh in average kick return. Our coverage teams will absolutely have to be on their A-games if we want to have any hope of containing Cooper.

Just a few years ago there was a question of whether Greg Zuerlein would ever be accurate enough to make it in the NFL. He was heavily compared to his draft classmate Blair Walsh early on and most thought after their rookie seasons that Zuerlein would be off the Rams before Walsh was off the Vikings. That, obviously, is not the case and the Rams are profiting from it.

He’s currently third in the NFL in field goal accuracy, just behind both Josh Lambo and Dan Bailey, both of whom have only attempted 7 kicks this season (though both are a perfect 7/7). Anyway, Zuerlein is having the best season of his career as he currently leads the NFL in field goal attempts by four (29 to 25) and field goals made by six (28 to 22). He’s even currently on pace to shatter David Akers’ record for most made field goals in a season (44 in 2011). Oh, and he’s perfect on PAT’s.

Hekker is one of the best in the business and can flip the field on any given punt, no matter where he is on the field. He limits touchbacks, gives up basically nothing on returns and he has a good punt coverage team helping him out. Not a whole lot to see here other than the Vikings taking on yet another top-notch kicking/punting combo.

Conclusion
This will be a great test for the Vikings on both sides of the ball. On offense, the Vikings will find the Rams a better team to run against than in years past and should focus on establishing both Jet and Murray early.

Unlike the Redskins, I’m not sure the Rams present a particularly forceful matchup in either’s favor, so I’d probably lean towards Jet taking the bulk of snaps/touches on the ground because his athleticism is better suited to taking advantage of Los Angeles’ tendency to give up longer runs on the ground and his skills in the screen game.

This will be Minnesota’s sixth consecutive game playing against a 3-4 defense and will easily present the toughest test for center Pat Elflein in directing traffic along the offensive line. I think this in particular will be a good test for Case Keenum as a starter. He likes to be aggressive with his passes, sometimes to a fault.

The Rams have a pass defense that is only surpassed by the Jaguars in ability to take the ball away. Keenum will have to balance his aggressive nature to attack downfield with trying to hit wide receivers that are truly open, because this is the exact kind of defense that could spell the ending of his time as Minnesota’s starter if he doesn’t play well against.

As for Minnesota’s defense, health will be paramount. If they can have all 11 of their starters healthy and ready to go on Sunday, I will be confident about Minnesota’s chances. If any one of Sendejo, Rhodes or Griffen is out, that confidence goes down significantly. Our linebackers will be assigned the incredibly difficult task of snuffing out the multitude of running back screens the Rams like to run with Gurley and shutting them down.

Fortunately, few defenses are built to blow up screens better than the Vikings. The Rams have a variety of options in the passing game and considering how up and down the defense played on Sunday against the Redskins, I have the sneaking suspicion that Zimmer will have his defense ready to put on a master class of shutting down an explosive offense this Sunday.

Because this is a home game, I’ll say the Vikings win by a touchdown, 28-21.
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The Rams stats are beyond overinflated.
Simply because of their easy as he’ll schedule. They and they are so over rated.
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DVOA is literally created to adjust for schedule
They are tops in a lot of Football Outsiders’ metrics despite that easy schedule and the resultant schedule adjusting.
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Everyone has an easy schedule this year
Look at our’s. Look at Detroit’s. Look at the Saints, the Eagles, the Panthers. All the NFC playoff teams are feasting on the AFC.

Can’t help who you play. At the very least the Rams are producing on both sides of the ball against bad opponents.
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Wasn't or schedule so far "easy" as hell too?
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The Vikings have been openly criticized for only beating substandard opponents. Hmmm, well, looking at both the Rams and the Eagles, I don’t see a lot of signature wins against strong teams.
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I like our chances against Rams. Was thinking about their defense this morning, I know that got Aaron Donald, but I can’t name who their version of Rhodes, Smith, Barr, Kendricks, Hunter and Griffen are?
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The media loves offense
And that’s what the Rams and Eagles have provided (along with the Saints)…

But what’s that old saying again?

Oh yeah: Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships.
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The Rams have a very good defense too.
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I am nervous about the long ball. It seems to me we give up at least one long TD every game and this will limit Harrison's ability to enter the box to support the run game
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At US Bank stadium MN seems to exert much more pass rush. I don’t believe it’s just the home field so much as the faster surface – and the MN defense is built for speed. If you look at the field conditions against the Redskins last week – the field was like a friggin’ cow pasture.
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In most games I've been in favor of passing first to set up our run game
But this one feels like the opposite needs to happen.
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This may be the hardest game we have left on our schedule.
I would not underestimate this team at all. Rams are very good. Maybe as good or better than the Eagles. Its close. We are probably skill wise about the same. Both have good offenses and good defenses.

I am optimistic about our chances but at the same time i wouldnt be too surprised by a loss here either.
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This is the dawning of Latavius...
Guessing the Rams see a heavy dose of Murray running up the middle.
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I'm not sure how much running up the middle we will be doing.
I’m hoping we get our screen game going, along with some jet sweeps. Moving the ball away from Donald seems to be a good idea to me. Our offensive line seems to do well getting up the field to block, so the more of that the better.
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The article specifically states that they are susceptible to running up the gut. What the Vikings have done very well (in my opinion) is to game plan the running game to take advantage of the weaknesses of our opponent’s defense (as well as having two running backs that play with different styles and strengths).

This situation, to me, is similar to that of when we played Baltimore. That game was identified, before the kickoff, as a potential big day for Murray given that Baltimore’s defense was better geared to shutting down the outside runs, and less so up the middle.

 

[LesBaker]

I wonder, how would the Rams be doing with their back up QB playing and Gurley out for the year?

IMO Bradford not playing is a benefit to the Vikings.

 

[Legatron4]

The Rams stats are beyond overinflated.
Simply because of their easy as he’ll schedule. They and they are so over rated.

K. I’m out. Can’t do this thread anymore. People are fucking stupid and I can’t wait to lay 40 on these assholes.

 

[kurtfaulk]

What if Keenum is a modern day Kurt Warner?

I would suggest that any formula that says Kizer outperformed Goff this past weekend be trashed and forgotten about.

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[kurtfaulk]

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Opposition Intelligence and Research, Week 11: Los Angeles Edition
A statistical look at Minnesota’s opponent on Sunday, the Los Angeles Rams
by J-Dog: VikingsSuperFan

The Los Angeles Rams are one of the biggest surprises in the NFL this season. Their 7-2 record places them fourth in the NFC due to tiebreakers and they are currently undefeated on the road. They get to come into the stadium where the Vikings have gone 9-4 since they moved in and play in one of the better games this season has seen. Let’s see how the Rams have done so far this season.

Schedule
The Los Angeles Rams are currently tied for the weakest strength of schedule in the NFL with the Philadelphia Eagles at .398. Their wins have come against the Indianapolis Colts (3-7), San Francisco 49ers (1-9), Dallas Cowboys (5-4), Jacksonville Jaguars (6-3), Arizona Cardinals (4-5), New York Giants (1-8) and the Houston Texans (3-6). Their losses have come at the hands of the Redskins (27-20) and the Seahawks (16-10).

Los Angeles has played like a good team should; they’ve kicked the everloving crap out of teams they should beat (the Giants and Colts), hung on against the 49ers (41-39), took advantage it being an even week to beat the Jags (27-17) and beat a Texans team still dealing with the loss of their starting quarterback Deshaun Watson. Los Angeles is currently on a four-game winning streak and on that streak, they’ve outscored their opponents 144-41. So yeah, their offense is clicking on all cylinders right now.

Most recent game
Los Angeles played the Houston Texans last week and the Texans actually managed to do a pretty good job of shutting down Los Angeles’ offense. Houston kept Los Angeles’ offense to four field goals in the first, second and fourth quarters but fell apart in the third quarter when they allowed the Rams to score three passing touchdowns.

The Rams’ three touchdowns all came on the arm of Jared Goff. His first touchdown was a 94-yard touchdown pass to Robert Woods. His second touchdown went to Sammy Watkins on a 17-yard completion and his third came just 20 seconds later after the Rams strip-sacked Tom Savage and Goff hit Woods again, this time for a 12-yard score.

Goff passed for those three touchdowns and 355 yards while taking three sacks. Johnny Hekker, the Rams punter, went 1/1 for 6 yards on a failed fake punt on a 4th and 7. Todd Gurley rushed 11 times for 68 yards for an average of 6.2 yards per carry. Lance Dunbar rushed five times for 31 yards and also averaged 6.2 yards per carry.

Woods led the Rams with eight receptions on ten targets for 171 yards receiving and two touchdowns. Gurley was second on the Rams with six catches for 68 yards.

That’s how the Rams got through the game against the Texans. Now let’s look at what the Vikings will be facing on Sunday.

Offense

Ground game
The Rams operate a top-10 ground game this season, bolstered by one of the NFL’s top young running backs in Todd Gurley. Their ground game has been consistent the entire season, with just two games where they have rushed for fewer than 100 yards (their loss against the Redskins (97) and their win against the Colts (63)). So this is a team that runs the ball and runs it well.

Gurley is obviously the bellcow in this offense and for good reason. He’s playing like the top running back he was drafted to be in 2015 as he’s top-five in attempts, yards and touchdowns. With Brown hurting his MCL against the Giants, Tavon Austin is the only other non-Gurley runner the Vikings will likely have to worry about against the Rams.

Austin averages about four carries a game and with Brown down, he’s gotten 11 carries over the last two games. The Rams are third in attempts (276), fifth in yards (1159), fourth in rushing touchdowns (10) and thirteenth in yards per attempt (4.2). This is easily one of the strongest group games the Vikings will face all season long and a good way to test Minnesota’s improved run defense.

Los Angeles’ offensive line isn’t quite as bad as Washington’s was in last week’s analysis, obviously, but they have still struggled. Surprisingly enough, they are one of the worst teams in the league at short yardage situations, going just 7 for 17 in short-yardage opportunities (2/3 against the Skins for 1 TD, 2/6 for a TD vs the 49ers, 2/2 vs the Cowboys, 0/1 vs the Seahawks, 0/2 vs the Jaguars, 1/1 vs the Cardinals, 0/2 vs the Giants). Los Angeles’ ground game is only mediocre according to DVOA, scoring a -8.4%.

Their running backs are tenth-worst at getting stuffed at or behind the line of scrimmage and are below-average at getting yardage 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, backed up by the fact that their longest run on the season is 36 yards, tied for 38th in the league.

Passing Game
The Los Angeles Rams have one of the most, if not the most, effective passing game in the league right now. They have won games where they have passed for as few as 107 yards and as many as 339 yards. Their two losses have come when they have passed for for 275 yards and 235 yards, so there’s not a particular way that they have been shut down for a win thus far.

On a ranking scale, Los Angeles is 27th in passing attempts (284), sixth in passing yards (2341), seventh in passing touchdowns (16), and first in net yards per attempt (7.9). This efficiency on offense has allowed Los Angeles to have six players with triple digit receiving yards this season.

Tavon Austin, despite having Los Angeles’ second-highest cap hit, has been one of the worst wide receivers in the NFL and is used more in the ground game then the passing game right now.

Everett is Los Angeles’ 2017 second-round pick and has been an absolute monster every time he touches the football; his 24.8 yards per catch would lead the NFL if he had enough plays to qualify. Tyler Higbee, the Rams’ other receiving tight end, hasn’t been quite as effective, but still has more than 200 yards receiving and one receiving touchdown.

Sammy Watkins has been the top of the second tier of Los Angeles’ receiving options, tallying 372 yards and four touchdowns. Gurley has been one of the better receiving backs in the NFL, totaling 406 yards and three receiving touchdowns in his touches. The Rams main offensive threats this season are wideouts Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods and I would expect Woods to draw Rhodes and Kupp to draw Waynes and Alexander.

One thing that is a noticeable difference between the Skins and the Rams is that the Rams, and in particular the Rams’ main receivers, have a much worse catch percentage than Washington’s receivers. This is partially due to the offense that each team runs and the quarterback each has under center.

As for their offensive line, they are playing particularly well this season. They are tied for fourth in the NFL in adjusted sack rate with an impressive 4.2% sack percentage allowed and have allowed just 13 sacks on the season, fifth in the NFL. 30% of the 13 sacks taken (4) have come in games where Los Angeles has lost, so pressure is very helpful in containing Goff.

Quarterback
Jared Goff was easily one of the three worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season. He did basically nothing well and he was basically cannon fodder for seven straight games. Now he’s playing for a new coach and it’s like he’s a new man.

Goff is playing like a stud this season, with only his completion percentage (61.2%; 25th in the NFL) and QBR keeping him out of the top-10 in every stat I look at in this article. This will be a game where the Vikings need all hands on deck, and the health of Everson Griffen will be paramount to whether the Vikings have a shot in Sunday’s game.


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The Vikings getting pressure on Goff will be key to their winning the game, especially with how often the Rams use play-action to get their deep passing game going.


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Everson Griffen’s presence in Minnesota’s pass rush will be critical. If he had to miss the Washington game in order to be healthy for this one, it will absolutely be worth it for Minnesota’s defense.

Minnesota will also have to hope that Sendejo’s groin injury and the nicks that Xavier Rhodes sustained won’t keep them off the field as being aggressive with the Rams’ receivers will be huge for the Vikings keeping Goff in front of them.

Goff appears to be one of those odd quarterbacks who actually plays better on the road then he does at home. His completion percentage is decimal points better (likely due to having nearly 100 fewer passing attempts on the road), he’s thrown for twice as many touchdowns, less than half as many interceptions, has a QB rating over 25 points higher, has taken fewer sacks, has a higher yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt and yards per game. Basically the only part of his game that has been better at home has been his scrambling game.

This is one hell of an offense that Sean McVay has put together. They consistently get good field position from a mix of a good return game (which I will cover later) and a ballhawking defense that has set them up in good position for scores on numerous occasions throughout the season (also covered later). Just about their only weakness is that they aren’t a great red zone team at the moment, which is likely one of the reasons why they kick so many field goals.

If their offense was to take that next step where they increase the number of touchdowns they score inside the red zone, this offense would become one hell of a juggernaut. But, for now, they remain slightly limited in this area. The offense doesn’t turn the ball over that much, they are highly capable of chunk plays and they both have the ability to take it slow on drives and score in less than a minute if Goff sees a blown assignment.

Now on that cheery note, let’s see what Los Angeles brings to the table defensively.

Defense

Run Defense

I thought that, considering how well the Rams were known for their defense under Jeff Fisher, I’d include a comparison between 2016 and 2017 for this first analysis to see what, if anything, has changed. Honestly, at least in run defense, it’s almost night and day.

The Rams went from ranking in the top ten in yards per attempt against, run defense DVOA, adjusted line yards, and stuffed rank to outside (and well outside in the case of stuffed ranking) the top ten. The biggest reason? The Rams, when McVay assumed control, switched to a 3-4 defense from a 4-3.

As well as the Rams defense is playing in general (they are currently tops in DVOA), this switch has definitely weakened their run defense. One of the biggest reasons their run stuff percentage was so high last year was because Aaron Donald was playing as a 4-3 defensive tackle.

Most teams, when faced with a short-yardage play, trust their offensive line and they usually run straight up the gut. Donald’s play against the run was such that teams would have difficultly blocking him and his other linemates on the interior long enough for their runner to get the necessary yardage.

With him now playing as a 3-4 defensive end, his explosive ability up the middle is really rather blunted and teams have been able to run the ball straight down LA’s throat when they’ve needed to. Even worse for the Rams, most 3-4 teams are usually good at preventing “open field” yards and they have been even worse than last season at stopping it.

Pass Defense

So.....yeah, this is a pretty good passing defense. They have held opponents to a completion percentage under 58% (a very good amount, MN has allowed 62%), are second only to Jacksonville’s studly pass defense in DVOA and have the eighth-best sack rate in the NFL.

The Rams come into their matchup against the Vikings with 11 of their players having recorded a sack (Vikings are still at nine). So yeah, this is a good defense. And I haven’t even gotten to the interceptions yet (but believe me, I will).

Despite their shift to a 3-4 defense impacting their running game, there’s not a whole lot wrong with their passing defense. The Rams have allowed just two wide receivers to gain more than 100 yards against them, DeAndre Hopkins (111) and Pierre Garcon (142), with Dez Bryant being just two yards short (98). So it’s no tall task for the Rams to be beaten by a wide receiver, but it can be done. This is a pass defense that should not be taken lightly.

So....yeah, this is a stingy defense. They are very good at getting themselves off the field posthaste so most teams have to be efficient in their scoring drives against the Rams. They also have to balance that efficiency against not letting LA’s offense back onto the field too quickly as they have easily the most explosive offense so far this season.

One of the flaws the Rams defense has is that they don’t force a whole lot of three-and-outs, so a team can get something going if they find the right rhythm against this defense. They are also just average inside the red zone; they are nearly top-ten in points allowed but are below-average in allowing red zone touchdowns. Basically any team that gets into the red zone against the Rams needs to make the drive count.

Turnovers
Like I said in last week’s article, turnovers are usually what separate the average teams from the elite teams. The average teams have games where they lose the turnover battle and games where they win it. Elite teams are almost always winning the turnover battle, even if they turn the ball over once or twice themselves. The Rams, unfortunately, are very good in this regard, both on offense and defense.

The Rams rank behind only the Ravens (13) in interceptions, so taking care of the ball will be of paramount concern for this game. The Rams already have two pick-sixes this season and I am sure they will be hunting for more against Case Keenum. Their defense has also been good at forcing fumbles, so the Vikings would do well to ensure they don’t have any issues with fumbling in this game.

As for LA’s offense, Goff has been careful with the football this season and only Tyrod Taylor, Alex Smith and Tom Brady have thrown fewer interceptions while starting every game for their team. The one issue that both Washington and Los Angeles appear to have in common is an issue with fumbles.

Washington was and remains a bottom-three team when it comes to fumbles and if the Vikings are hoping for a takeaway against the Rams, they would do well to try and force a fumble. Todd Gurley currently leads all NFL running backs with five fumbles on the season, so Vikings defenders would do well to tear away at the ball as much as they can when it’s in Gurley’s hands.

Special Teams
Special teams will be a crucial part of Sunday’s game (as it usually is in most games). The Rams have what I consider to be one of the five best special teams units in the NFL right now, so the Vikings will, like with the rest of the Rams, have their work cut out for them.

The player Minnesota has to watch out for, both on punt returns and kickoffs, is Pharoh Cooper. He has basically taken over as Los Angeles’ return man over Austin on both kickoffs and punt returns and he is nearly equally dangerous on both.

He is one of three players to have housed a kickoff this season, leads the league in return yards, is second in returns and is seventh in average kick return. Our coverage teams will absolutely have to be on their A-games if we want to have any hope of containing Cooper.

Just a few years ago there was a question of whether Greg Zuerlein would ever be accurate enough to make it in the NFL. He was heavily compared to his draft classmate Blair Walsh early on and most thought after their rookie seasons that Zuerlein would be off the Rams before Walsh was off the Vikings. That, obviously, is not the case and the Rams are profiting from it.

He’s currently third in the NFL in field goal accuracy, just behind both Josh Lambo and Dan Bailey, both of whom have only attempted 7 kicks this season (though both are a perfect 7/7). Anyway, Zuerlein is having the best season of his career as he currently leads the NFL in field goal attempts by four (29 to 25) and field goals made by six (28 to 22). He’s even currently on pace to shatter David Akers’ record for most made field goals in a season (44 in 2011). Oh, and he’s perfect on PAT’s.

Hekker is one of the best in the business and can flip the field on any given punt, no matter where he is on the field. He limits touchbacks, gives up basically nothing on returns and he has a good punt coverage team helping him out. Not a whole lot to see here other than the Vikings taking on yet another top-notch kicking/punting combo.

Conclusion
This will be a great test for the Vikings on both sides of the ball. On offense, the Vikings will find the Rams a better team to run against than in years past and should focus on establishing both Jet and Murray early.

Unlike the Redskins, I’m not sure the Rams present a particularly forceful matchup in either’s favor, so I’d probably lean towards Jet taking the bulk of snaps/touches on the ground because his athleticism is better suited to taking advantage of Los Angeles’ tendency to give up longer runs on the ground and his skills in the screen game.

This will be Minnesota’s sixth consecutive game playing against a 3-4 defense and will easily present the toughest test for center Pat Elflein in directing traffic along the offensive line. I think this in particular will be a good test for Case Keenum as a starter. He likes to be aggressive with his passes, sometimes to a fault.

The Rams have a pass defense that is only surpassed by the Jaguars in ability to take the ball away. Keenum will have to balance his aggressive nature to attack downfield with trying to hit wide receivers that are truly open, because this is the exact kind of defense that could spell the ending of his time as Minnesota’s starter if he doesn’t play well against.

As for Minnesota’s defense, health will be paramount. If they can have all 11 of their starters healthy and ready to go on Sunday, I will be confident about Minnesota’s chances. If any one of Sendejo, Rhodes or Griffen is out, that confidence goes down significantly. Our linebackers will be assigned the incredibly difficult task of snuffing out the multitude of running back screens the Rams like to run with Gurley and shutting them down.

Fortunately, few defenses are built to blow up screens better than the Vikings. The Rams have a variety of options in the passing game and considering how up and down the defense played on Sunday against the Redskins, I have the sneaking suspicion that Zimmer will have his defense ready to put on a master class of shutting down an explosive offense this Sunday.

Because this is a home game, I’ll say the Vikings win by a touchdown, 28-21.
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The Rams stats are beyond overinflated.
Simply because of their easy as he’ll schedule. They and they are so over rated.
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DVOA is literally created to adjust for schedule
They are tops in a lot of Football Outsiders’ metrics despite that easy schedule and the resultant schedule adjusting.
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Everyone has an easy schedule this year
Look at our’s. Look at Detroit’s. Look at the Saints, the Eagles, the Panthers. All the NFC playoff teams are feasting on the AFC.

Can’t help who you play. At the very least the Rams are producing on both sides of the ball against bad opponents.
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Wasn't or schedule so far "easy" as hell too?
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The Vikings have been openly criticized for only beating substandard opponents. Hmmm, well, looking at both the Rams and the Eagles, I don’t see a lot of signature wins against strong teams.
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I like our chances against Rams. Was thinking about their defense this morning, I know that got Aaron Donald, but I can’t name who their version of Rhodes, Smith, Barr, Kendricks, Hunter and Griffen are?
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The media loves offense
And that’s what the Rams and Eagles have provided (along with the Saints)…

But what’s that old saying again?

Oh yeah: Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships.
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The Rams have a very good defense too.
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I am nervous about the long ball. It seems to me we give up at least one long TD every game and this will limit Harrison's ability to enter the box to support the run game
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At US Bank stadium MN seems to exert much more pass rush. I don’t believe it’s just the home field so much as the faster surface – and the MN defense is built for speed. If you look at the field conditions against the Redskins last week – the field was like a friggin’ cow pasture.
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In most games I've been in favor of passing first to set up our run game
But this one feels like the opposite needs to happen.
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This may be the hardest game we have left on our schedule.
I would not underestimate this team at all. Rams are very good. Maybe as good or better than the Eagles. Its close. We are probably skill wise about the same. Both have good offenses and good defenses.

I am optimistic about our chances but at the same time i wouldnt be too surprised by a loss here either.
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This is the dawning of Latavius...
Guessing the Rams see a heavy dose of Murray running up the middle.
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I'm not sure how much running up the middle we will be doing.
I’m hoping we get our screen game going, along with some jet sweeps. Moving the ball away from Donald seems to be a good idea to me. Our offensive line seems to do well getting up the field to block, so the more of that the better.
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The article specifically states that they are susceptible to running up the gut. What the Vikings have done very well (in my opinion) is to game plan the running game to take advantage of the weaknesses of our opponent’s defense (as well as having two running backs that play with different styles and strengths).

This situation, to me, is similar to that of when we played Baltimore. That game was identified, before the kickoff, as a potential big day for Murray given that Baltimore’s defense was better geared to shutting down the outside runs, and less so up the middle.

this is the problem when someone just looks at the numbers and doesn't watch the games. they have no idea what they're talking about.

and half those fans that responded are dead set delusional.

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[rams24/7]

How many times are those fans bring up how we have a “weak” schedule, yet conveniently ignore that they have an equally “weak” schedule.

Also I’d like to hear a good team Keenum has beat this year... I’ll wait... Sam and Cook were around when they beat the Saints week 1.

Also I’ve heard some saying we haven’t played a D like theirs this year. How about Jacksonville and Seattle? Also they think they’re gonna pile sacks on us, yet we haven’t allowed more than 3 in a single game this year, and we’ve played against JAX

 

[Mackeyser]

Well, I understand Keenum saying that because I want to move there.

Minny is a great place to live and I understand it's a great place to raise kids.

With Keenum being closer to the end of his career, I can see him wanting to stay where he might retire and be able to establish his roots while he's relatively young in life terms.

I generally like to see Case Keenum do well. It not only highlights how historically bad our scheme was in that BOTH of our QBs from last year are running 7-2 teams but in all the crap, Case Keenum was a truly stand up guy and a great veteran player.

And I still think we beat them. GO RAMS!

 

[Mackeyser]

The Rams have not faced a defense the caliber of MN, so they may be in for a rude awakening

The Jax Jaguars say, "Hello"...

 

[Ram_Rally]

I thought it was a 10am game?

It's in Minnesota

 

[LesBaker]

Moving the ball away from Donald seems to be a good idea to me.

Someone has a keen sense of the obvious LOL.