What Seahawks Fans Are Saying(Part 2)

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5 Qs, 5 As with Turf Show Times
By Kenneth Arthur

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One of the reasons I don’t believe in any true “rebuild” happening in the NFL is clearly exhibited in the case of the 2018 LA Rams. They did not rebuild. They just made necessary changes and got better virtually overnight.

From 2005-2014, the Seattle Seahawks went 17-3 against the St. Louis Rams. Then from 2015-2016, the Seahawks went 1-3 in those games despite the fact that the Rams went just 4-12 in the latter of those two years.

In that offseason, the Rams hired Sean McVay to replace the fired Jeff Fisher, signed Andrew Whitworth to play left tackle, and added Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, and moved Lamarcus Joyner from corner to free safety. Yes, LA already had Jared Goff, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, and an incredible special teams unit in place, but they didn’t really “rebuild” at all ...

They built. They had a few great pieces and they finally put them in a position to succeed and win games.

In 2017, the Rams went 11-5 and won the division. With a little more time to get comfortable in their current positions, a few more additions, LA is now 8-1 and Seattle is the biggest underdog they’ve been in a game since drafting Russell Wilson in 2012. How quickly these things change: in 2016, the Seahawks were 6.5 games better than the Rams and less than two years later, few are expecting a Seattle victory in the Coliseum on Sunday.

To get a better understanding of how far the Rams have come and what to expect this weekend, I sent five Qs to Joe McAtee of Turf Show Times and in kind he sent me five corresponding As.

Q: The Rams are 8-1 and undeniably in contention for the Super Bowl in a way that they haven’t been since 2001, but how significant are the issues on defense? Are you concerned that even if LA goes 15-1 that it might only take one Drew Brees or one big game from Cam Newton or possibly if he gets in there, Aaron Rodgers, to upend the Rams in the playoffs? Would you undo the Marcus Peters trade if you could?

A: Pretty significant. The Rams have two issues right now: edge pass rush and coverage. The former is a talent issue. The latter is an execution issue.

Pass rush off the edge used to be the strength of the entire Rams roster. The early Jeff Fisher era Rams had Robert Quinn and Chris Long and William Hayes and Eugene Sims at defensive end. They were talented and deep off the edge. But Sean McVay’s first year in charge had Robert Quinn, miscast in a 3-4 OLB role and clearly sapped by various injuries, and Connor Barwin who was brought in more for his knowledge of and experience in Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips’ defense.

The Rams moved on from both and promoted from within bringing Samson Ebukam and Matt Longacre into starting roles where neither has flourished. Recently added Dante Fowler Jr. brings perhaps more talent but the cost of his arrival and the sheer fact the Jacksonville Jaguars were willing to part with him suggests he won’t be the panacea many Rams fans are hoping for.

Coverage, though, doesn’t have such an obvious dearth of talent on the depth chart even while CB Aqib Talib is out injured. CB Marcus Peters is a two-time Pro Bowler who is coming off of a horrorshow against the New Orleans Saints. Fan Favorite CB Troy Hill’s career with the Rams has been a rollercoaster. He struggled in 2016 but was stellar down the stretch in 2017 including in the wild card playoff game.

This year, he’s again been the subject to fan ire. CB Nickell Robey-Coleman is a stellar slot corner, but given his size has limitations of what he can be expected to do. And while S Lamarcus Joyner and S John Johnson III are positives in run support, Joyner has had a down year after a stellar 2017.

The combination of the two has plagued the Rams for weeks now. And as to how concerned I am about it in big games, I’m understandably very concerned given that both aspects were exploited against the New Orleans Saints last week. It’s not something the Rams can’t find ways to win in spite of (they were 8-0 until last week after all), but it’s the sheer fact that you don’t get a whole series of games in football like in baseball, basketball or hockey.

The NFL postseason is built on single game installments. And like you mentioned, it only takes one big game from a Drew Brees or whomever the Rams face when it counts to undo all the positives of this team and there are a lot.

Would I undo the Marcus Peters trade? No. I think we’re looking at a low point, and it’s a bit hard to assess things at the lowest level. At season’s end when we have a full sense of how he performed especially after the regular season, maybe my answer would change.

But the Rams brought a two-time Pro Bowl corner in at a cost less than a first-round pick. That the Rams haven’t gotten his best play is maybe a task for Phillips to take on quickly and turn things around. And if he does, maybe we’re looking at things a bit differently in a few weeks.

Q: I was a bit surprised that the Rams could still find money and room for Dante Fowler at the trade deadline; how necessary was it to add a player like Fowler? It seems he was relatively active (one TFL, one PD) in his debut with the team, how do you expect him to rotate in and out with the other players at his position?

A: I would put the level of “necessary” need very low. The Rams were 8-0 with the #12 defense in DVOA prior to last week (they’re now weighted down to 15, which still isn’t in the bottom half of the league) with wins over the Los Angeles Chargers and Green Bay Packers. So the issue isn’t one of a roster need. It’s whether they needed to address it, and I really don’t think we needed to (again...we’re 8-1...).

I think the question is one of opportunity. The Rams had an opportunity to improve at best or add to at worst a position of roster need and at a pretty low cost; the Rams will send a third- and fifth-round pick to Jacksonville, but they’re likely to pick up a pair of third-round compensatory picks having lost WR Sammy Watkins and CB Trumaine Johnson to free agency.

So I’d suggest it was more an opportunity with upside at low cost and not necessarily a need per se. If anything, the Rams will still have the roster need in the offseason that they’ll still need to address anyway.

As for his rotation, he played more than 60% of the snaps in his first game with us. So I think it’s fair to say we’re going to see a ton of him down the stretch.

Q: Jared Goff needs Todd Gurley more than Todd Gurley needs Jared Goff. True or False?

A: I would say false because I think they both need each other and the receiving group equally. They were both on the field in 2016, and I’m not sure either needed each other much at all then. In fact, I’d suggest Jared Goff and Todd Gurley need the offensive line more than the line needs them. But the bottom line with the Rams’ offense is that they have components everywhere. Goff, Gurley, the wideouts, the line. They’re all (very good) parts of a whole that is absolutely cranking this year.

Q: I really don’t mind just talking about Aaron Donald for a very long time. For as long as you’ve watched football, how many defensive players do you think you’ve ever seen play on a regular basis are better than Donald and why is it Bobby Wagner?

A: Wobby Bagner.

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player as consistently dominant as Donald. He’s so central to opposing team gameplans and for obvious reason. And it’s just amazing because he’s different.

The Rams list him at 280 lbs. The Seahawks have a full 16 players heavier. So he’s not the biggest guy. He’s not winning on sheer size, but he has plenty of power. It’s that his power is compact. And the application of it is FAST. And he’s just very, very, very good. And that makes me happy.

So yeah, you should talk about him at length. Have you considered turning Field Gulls into an Aaron Donald blog? I think that idea has legs, Kenny.

Q: I know you’ve heard of Michael Dickson because in the last meeting between these two teams the Rams blocked a punt of his, so let me ask you this instead: Have you ever heard of Michael Dickson’s revenge?

Ooh is that like when you drink the tap water in Mexico and then your innards are all a hot pot of snot for like a week?
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freak their fans
Go check out the Q&A comments on TST. The homophobia and latent bigotry is next level. Rams fans are what happens when you take the 5 shittiest people from every high school in America and ask them to form a club.
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I'm not sure if anything has changed
other than the team winning, but the last time I checked the comments sections at TST a couple years ago it was a cesspool. We should probably also be cautious about judging an entire fanbase on a blog.
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Any short visit to TST
Is a reminder of how much human garbage frequents that page. The top rated comment to Kenneth’s Q&A on that page is a comment that’s all about the homophobia. And it’s got enough recs to go green. That lot is more feces than fanbase, it would appear.

All I did was skim this, but I sure missed the horrible and obvious homophobia part..
 

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Rams need to start playing the run better. Vs the Saints it caught up to them, giving a QB like Brees a strong run game to play action off of, and of course the Rams' problems in the passing game vs play action just made it even more important that they stuff the run.

Honestly Fluker's comments were accurate. He whooped Suh's @$$ all day. The Rams' front IS more focused on sacks and seem to not want to do the work vs the run at times.

They need to fix that BS. Because it's going to be important to stop the run in the playoffs. And this Seattle team is capable of upsetting the Rams, too, if they don't take care of business.
 

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Stay disciplined and play up to their talents. The defense did that for most of the 4th qtr and we were able to pull it out. Offense should score plenty, it's up to the Defense to decide if they want it to be close game or a blowout. PS please wrap up and tackle! Looking at you Joyner.
 

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Last year when rams lost to Vikings, they blew out hawks week after
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Rams will be pissed off, take it out on the Seahawks. There's a new sheriff in town.
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Rams will win unfortunately
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the Seahawks just have to throw the ball to the guy Marcus Peters is covering
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They not gonna start him after last week
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Seahawks are coming out firing. Russel Wilson will throw for 3 TD and 280 yards.
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Seahawks with the upset. These games are always close and I can see the Rams losing back to back.
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If DJ Fluker is too injured to play, the Seahawks are screwed. Pass Protection and running game is night and day when he isn’t playing. Last game against the rams this season Fluker was manhandling Suh and handling double teams. If Fluker doesn’t play, Wilson gets sacked 6+ times
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SEATTLE has to win this game. We barely lost by 2 points in seattle and this game is gonna be tough, if Seahawks play smart and bring the fire they have a chance. Just like the rams the Seahawks are hungry and are always being doubted! The 12th man crowd will be there too no doubt!
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If Peters fcks up again i would cut him asap.
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I’m a Seahawks fan, but being realistic with how the team is playing this year against a high caliber rams team just doesn’t seem winnable...hopefully I’m proven wrong Sunday.
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The rams defense is ass Seahawks have #2 best offense and our defense is getting better like it always does hawks win this game easily
 

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I can’t wait for our guys to show Fluker what physical means. We need to see Suh at full strength Sunday.

If I'm being honest, we need to see Suh just do anything that's above average.
Sad but true.
 
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If I'm being honest, we need to see Suh do anything that's above average.
Sad but true.

Not if you understand what he is asked to do. Just because the announcers aren’t saying his name doesn’t mean he isn’t kicking ass out there.
 

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Not if you understand what he is asked to do. Just because the announcers aren’t saying his name doesn’t mean he isn’t kicking ass out there.

Well, if he's being asked to let the other team run wild for 100's of rushing yards, and not get any penetration on passing downs then yes, your theory fits.
 

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"If DJ Fluker is too injured to play, the Seahawks are screwed."

This is HILARIOUS! I had a teammate during my soccer years that played defense. If he was beat for a goal at any point in time he'd suddenly have an injury.
 

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He's right. Seattle has the #2 best offense in Sunday's game against the Rams. ;)

Yeah jrry, I was wondering where in the hell he pulled that out of...I thought maybe he might have meant 2nd best in the NFC west..Now there's something to hang your hat on..
 

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Not sure if anyone remembers but in the 2013 season, the Rams lost to Seattle 14-9 at home. The Rams had a 1st and goal at the Seattle 1 yard line with like a minute left. Seattle was leading 14-9.

With Jeff Fisher's creative offense, we failed to punch it in and Seattle won the game 14-9. If the Rams had scored that TD, Seattle might not have had home field advantage in the playoffs and might not have even made the Super Bowl that they won against Denver.
 

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Fluker said Rams D line is not physical. Basically called them soft.

I'm long past having any more children, so I'll gladly donate a testicle as long as I get to see a fifty burger dropped on the fucking Albatross !!! You can all thank me later..
 

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One of the reasons I don’t believe in any true “rebuild” happening in the NFL is clearly exhibited in the case of the 2018 LA Rams. They did not rebuild. They just made necessary changes and got better virtually overnight.

This writer has clearly not paid attention to what the Rams did to rebuild.

It was a 4 plus year job! How could he have missed it being a beat writer for a divisional rival?
 

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I'm long past having any more children, so I'll gladly donate a testicle as long as I get to see a fifty burger dropped on the freaking Albatross !!! You can all thank me later..

Which one?