What Seahawks Fans Are Saying(Part 2)

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“A close loss is still a loss. What kinds of lessons are the players and coaching staff taking away from their performance?”

A: On offense, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll noted that a common theme in losses to the Bears, Broncos and Chargers was the way sacks put the Seahawks behind the sticks to ruin drives.

“They were real similar in that we had a lot of sacks in the game, it seemed like in those games we were playing behind the sticks,” Carroll said Monday. “We weren’t on schedule the way we want to be on offense and that seemed to be the common trait.”

Adding to that problem in Sunday’s loss, and in earlier losses, were penalties that also tend to be drive killers. When the Seahawks have avoided penalties and kept sacks to a minimum, their offense has functioned very well.

On defense, Carroll pointed to his team’s run defense, which was marred by a number of big plays, most notably a 34-yard touchdown run. Overall, this has been kind of an odd season for the Seahawks when it comes to defending the run. The Seahawks currently rank 21st in run defense, allowing 114.8 yards per game on the ground.

In stretches they’ve been very hard to run against, but on a few occasions, including last week’s game, a few big runs have really skewed the stats. If the Seahawks can clean things up and avoid some of those big runs, they have a chance to be stout against the run in the second half of the season.

“What is Seattle’s greatest strength/weakness as of midseason?”

A: We covered the weaknesses in the previous question, but when it comes to strengths, the Seahawks have a number of positives going for them. Most notably, they’re currently plus-9 in turnover differential, which ranks third in the NFL. That reflects well on both the play of the offense, which has only two turnovers in the past six games, as well as the defense, which has 16 takeaways and which before Sunday’s loss to the Chargers had at least one takeaway in every game.

On offense, the growth of the offensive line is a huge positive, and with that has come a very strong running game, which now ranks third in the NFL at 134.1 yards per game. And since Week 3, the Seahawks are averaging a league-best 159.8 rushing yards per game. I’d also throw Seattle’s red-zone efficiency into the strength category, as well as the play of Russell Wilson and his receivers, who continue to make big plays.

On defense, the overall play of that unit, even after some high-profile offseason departures has been a big positive. Through half a season, the Seahawks rank fifth in scoring defense, seventh in total defense, sixth in pass defense and fourth in opponent passer rating allowed. If that unit can clean up a few of the mistakes that have led to big plays, it has a chance to be special in the second half of the season.

“How serious is Chris Carson’s injury?”

A: Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said on Monday that Carson was sore, and that his hip felt about like it did coming out of Seattle’s Week 8 game in Detroit. On one hand, that’s good news because it would imply that the injury isn’t overly serious, and because Carson made it back to play against the Chargers. But on the other hand, it’s perhaps not-so-good news because Carson wasn’t able to finish that game.

“I talked to Chris, it’s about like it was last week,” Carroll said. Monday. “He’s sore, but he was sore last week and he made it through. We’ll have to wait and see, we’ll just go day-to-day with him. We’ll take care of him early in the week and see how he rounds out later in the week.”

In other words, don’t expect Carson to practice a lot this week, and there’s a pretty good chance we won’t get clarity on his status until Carroll addresses the media on Friday, or perhaps even game day.
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Dem are fightin' werds...

Okay boys, what are you gonna do about it?

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He can go perform a visceral act of penetration on himself.
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Eh. We are who we thought they were.
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And he's right.

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I swear I would be the happiest fan if we somehow pulled out a W. Even if it's by 1 point, I wouldn't care.
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2012 Seahawks 42 49ers 13 == 2017 Rams 42 Seahawks 7.

What Gurley is saying is that after a loss you really want to win, and you want to win even more against a team that you really want to beat, rather than just some humdrum team that you don't compare yourself to.

This "insult" is, I think, oddly enough a sign of respect.
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Agreed. Plus, the Rams under McVay have always said that they look forward to challenges. So anytime they say anything like "we're looking forward to playing that team", it's definitely a complement.
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He's right, it's respect. But most hard core fans aren't going to take it that way.
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I would have thought being a 10 point underdog to a rival would be enough motivation.
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The Rams just lost to a very good Saints team. A team that would have shelled us too.

I don't really expect us to do anything against the Rams but then again, I don't plan on holding a loss against the Rams against this team. The Rams are on the upper tier of the NFL as far as team strength, we are not.

There won't be much to complain about next week, because nobody rationally can expect us to compete with the Rams. I do expect us to compete with the Vikings and Packers. But a win against the Rams in their house is a ridiculous expectation.

It can happen. But it would be more the Rams just screwing up repeatedly or losing someone to injury than us doing anything. When the Seahawks were great, we lost to lesser teams - but it was more us than them. Same thing. So I don't think a win or loss tells us much of anything this week. Without Carson, I don't see any pathway to victory so I am not going to worry about it.

The Panthers will be an interesting test. But the Vikings have an average QB we can beat and the Packers are struggling for a number of reasons. Those are teams that looked like monsters at the start of the year that at least look beatable now.

We don't need to beat the Rams and I am not sure it even makes sense to worry about it.
 

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but the hawks needed to have played better on Sunday. I feel like they relax when they play mediocre teams.
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Did she just call the chargers a mediocre team? They were 5 and 2, now 6 and 2. There was only one mediocre team playing that day and it wasn't the chargers.

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Hawks snuck up on us a little bit last time but that won't be the case this time around. I'm betting Pete thinks he almost had our number last time so he won't change his plan much for this game, McVay and co will be more than ready for it , just like last year round 2 will not go well for the Hags
 

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20181106-story.html

Rams and Seahawks may get physical Sunday
By GARY KLEIN

After the Rams narrowly defeated his team in Week 5, Seattle Seahawks offensive lineman D.J. Fluker assessed the Rams defense.

“They haven’t seen a team that’s played physical,” Fluker said. “They want to be pass rushers.

“They haven’t seen a team to go out there and actually take it to them every single play.”

Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald was apprised of the comments a few days later.

“They’ll see us again,” he said.

“They did some different things against us that was a little bit different than what we had seen,” McVay said Monday of the Seahawks. “I haven’t gotten deep enough into it over the last four weeks to see if that’s something they’ve utilized on defense moving forward.”

Linebacker Bobby Wagner is the marquee player for a defense that is giving up only 19.5 points per game, which ranks fifth in the NFL. The Seahawks are seventh in total defense (333.3), sixth in pass defense (218.5) and 21st in rushing defense (114.8).

“We’ve figured out how we want to play, we know who we are,” Seattle coach Pete Carroll said this week. “Now we’ve got to find our way to get the wins.”

Quarterback Russell Wilson and running backs Chris Carson and Mike Davis lead a Seahawks offense that ranks third in the NFL in rushing, averaging 137.1 yards per game. But the Seahawks are 17th in scoring (23.5 points per game), 27th in passing (202.8 yards per game) and 28th in total offense (339.9).

In the first game between the teams this season, Rams linebacker Mark Barron made his season debut, receivers Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp suffered first-half concussions, cornerback Marcus Peters struggled and interim kicker Cairo Santosbounced back from a miss to convert what proved to be a game-winning field goal.

Barron is fully entrenched, Cooks and Kupp are physically sound and kicker Greg Zuerlein is back. But Peters is coming off another struggling performance against the Saints.

JoJo Natson, signed by the Rams after Pro Bowl kick returner Pharoh Cooper suffered an ankle injury in the season opener, is averaging a league-best 14.9 yards per punt return.

Blake Countess is averaging 25 yards per kickoff return, which ranks ninth.

Cooper is eligible to return from injured reserve this week, but that does not guarantee he will be activated.

Cooper, receiver Mike Thomas (groin) and cornerback Aqib Talib (ankle) are on injured reserve. NFL rules allow for teams to recall only two players from injured reserve each season. McVay has said the Rams planned to use one of the recalls for Talib, who will be eligible in Week 12.
 

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Hey Oldgeek, whats with the inappropriate rating? If you don't like my humor, that's fine...I did nothing deserving of this, and I don't appreciate it.
 

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I can’t wait for our guys to show Fluker what physical means. We need to see Suh at full strength Sunday.
 

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Linebacker Bobby Wagner is the marquee player for a defense that is giving up only 19.5 points per game, which ranks fifth in the NFL. The Seahawks are seventh in total defense (333.3), sixth in pass defense (218.5) and 21st in rushing defense (114.8).

Kinda amazing that they can lose the LOB guys and put up these defensive numbers. Hurts to type that.

Quarterback Russell Wilson and running backs Chris Carson and Mike Davis lead a Seahawks offense that ranks third in the NFL in rushing, averaging 137.1 yards per game. But the Seahawks are 17th in scoring (23.5 points per game), 27th in passing (202.8 yards per game) and 28th in total offense (339.9).

Would not surprise me if they came out passing to set up the run.

In the first game between the teams this season, Rams linebacker Mark Barron made his season debut, receivers Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp suffered first-half concussions, cornerback Marcus Peters struggled and interim kicker Cairo Santos bounced back from a miss to convert what proved to be a game-winning field goal.

Health seems to be on the Rams side. Hard to see a 10 point favorite in a game between these two teams. This game doesn't seem to have the same feel as in the past. Hags the chasers instead of the Rams. At least the Fluker talk after last game should have things heated right away. Rams defense needs to make a statement early and come out fired up and get early stops.
 

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Maybe it was just a slip of hand?! :)
 

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Maybe it was just a slip of hand?! :)


Is it bad that I just recently realized what all of you were talking about with the icons at the bottom? It sounds like it's too close to standard buttons, but who knows.
 

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Hey Oldgeek, whats with the inappropriate rating? If you don't like my humor, that's fine...I did nothing deserving of this, and I don't appreciate it.

hahahaha i couldn't help myself.

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I don't normally get pissed off while doing the mod thing but removing inappropriates because someone thinks it's funny to give them is a waste of my frikkin' time. And yes, we get complaints about it. So maybe after a couple of members get banned for a week that will come to an end. Take the hint please.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/1060632711121920000

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/11/...fense-ranking-dvoa-seattle-nfl-week-9-fantasy

Seahawks slipping in run defense just as they prepare to face Todd Gurley
By Kenneth Arthur

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It’s hard to imagine a Pete Carroll defense that struggles to stop the run, but then again we’ve had to get used to a lot of new things this season. From 2010-2017, the Seattle Seahawks held 71 opponents to under 100 rushing yards, tied for second-most in the NFL during that time after the Pittsburgh Steelers, at 79 such games.

Of course, we already know that a lot of that has to do with Seattle’s overall success as a team (you win more, they rush less), but you’d be foolish to say that the Seahawks had bad run defense in that time; from 2012-2017, Seattle’s 3.79 yards per carry allowed ranked second overall behind the Denver Broncos at 3.7 flat.

That level of effectiveness seemed to stop after the Seahawks lost Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman in game nine of last season.

From Week 1-Week 10, Seattle was allowing 4 YPC, which ranked 14th in the NFL. They lost Chancellor and Sherman on a Thursday night in Arizona in Week 10, and after holding up for a few weeks, they really started to let opponents get away with a lot more on the ground in the final four games: 156 rushing yards by the Jaguars, 244 by the Rams, 128 by the Cowboys, and 116 by the Cardinals. Overall, 4.44 YPC allowed, seventh-worst in the league over that period of time.

Just two weeks ago, the Seahawks held Kerryon Johnson to 22 yards on eight carries, but returning home after a long hiatus and facing Melvin Gordon had a significantly negative effect on their overall numbers for the season: Gordon had 113 yards on only 16 carries, plus 28 to receiver Keenan Allen and 21 to backup Austin Ekeler on just three attempts. Seattle gets no break this Sunday, facing the NFL’s leading rusher behind the NFL’s best offensive line: Todd Gurley.

In their first meeting this season, the Seahawks held Gurley to only 77 yards on 22 carries, but he scored three touchdowns on the day. Oddly enough, that’s been roughly Gurley’s stat line against every NFC West opponent this season: 19 carries for 42 yards and three touchdowns against Arizona, 15 carries for 63 yards and two touchdowns against San Francisco. His yards per carry is very low but LA is putting him in the position to get six over and over again.

What can Seattle hope to do to stop that from happening on Sunday?

If I knew that then I’m certainly in the wrong profession, but I do know that it is a topic of concern. Not just stopping Gurley (which basically just means, “How do you get off blocks against this incredible offensive line that is opening up massive running lanes for Gurley and a passing attack that is consistently getting him into the red zone?”) but also planning on how to keep it a low-scoring affair.

Not likely given that the Rams’ worst offensive performance of the season to date is 29 points; Seattle’s highest-scoring performance is 31, which came in that loss to LA a few weeks ago.

It’s hard to praise the work of frontmen like Jarran Reed, middlemen like K.J. Wright, or backline support like Tedric Thompson when you get eaten up in the way they did against the Chargers last weekend. It’s also hard to ignore just how good we’ve known them to be in the past. But as of now, the Seahawks rank 27th in yards per carry allowed, which is a steep drop from when they were first in that category in 2016.

Some players still remain from that defense (Bobby Wagner, Frank Clark, Wright, Reed) but most of the names are new. Gone are Sherman, Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Ahtyba Rubin, and Tony McDaniel. Also gone is defensive coordinator Kris Richard.

In are the new guys, like Quinton Jefferson, Shamar Stephen, Shaquill Griffin, Tre Flowers, Thompson, Bradley McDougald, and without assigning blame to any one person (unless you wanna do that for Carroll or Ken Norton, Jr), we know that it is a team-wide issue that has gotten progressively worse. The Seahawks were third against the run by DVOA in 2016, and they slipped to 14th in 2017, currently sitting at 15th after eight weeks.

This does not look like a week for them to boost their ranking against the run. It’s not necessarily about “containing Gurley” as it is about keeping LA out of the end zone at all, not matter the methodology. Run defense is not nearly as important as pass defense, but as we saw last week against the other LA, it’s still a potentially huge issue when it does become on issue.
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There is always the option...
Of watching with a large enough supply of alcohol you won’t remember anything about the game on Monday.
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I do this even when we win
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Couldn't disagree more, always had this game as a W since the schedule came out.
It’s a division rivalry game between the best two teams in the division, that is by definition always a game that can go either way. I like the Hawks in this one because I figured we split and lose the first one at home.

Get your rally cap ready, we are taking this one.
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I don’t think we have any chance to win this game if Chris Carson and DJ Fluker are not able to play, or are ineffective due to injuries. This iteration of the team has not been able to run without a physical running game.
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on the road, the 'Hawks will not keep the score as close as the first matchup
and it’s tough to imagine the Rams losing back to back weeks. The next W will come vs the Packers at home.
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I wouldn't automatically mark an L
We typically win the tough ones. Playing to our competition’s level is frustrating against lower level teams, but kinda nice when we take on the big boyz……



 

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Personally I hope for 2 things the w and Seattle's defense to not do the headhunting bullshit again
 

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5 Qs, 5 As with Turf Show Times
By Kenneth Arthur

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One of the reasons I don’t believe in any true “rebuild” happening in the NFL is clearly exhibited in the case of the 2018 LA Rams. They did not rebuild. They just made necessary changes and got better virtually overnight.

From 2005-2014, the Seattle Seahawks went 17-3 against the St. Louis Rams. Then from 2015-2016, the Seahawks went 1-3 in those games despite the fact that the Rams went just 4-12 in the latter of those two years.

In that offseason, the Rams hired Sean McVay to replace the fired Jeff Fisher, signed Andrew Whitworth to play left tackle, and added Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, and moved Lamarcus Joyner from corner to free safety. Yes, LA already had Jared Goff, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, and an incredible special teams unit in place, but they didn’t really “rebuild” at all ...

They built. They had a few great pieces and they finally put them in a position to succeed and win games.

In 2017, the Rams went 11-5 and won the division. With a little more time to get comfortable in their current positions, a few more additions, LA is now 8-1 and Seattle is the biggest underdog they’ve been in a game since drafting Russell Wilson in 2012. How quickly these things change: in 2016, the Seahawks were 6.5 games better than the Rams and less than two years later, few are expecting a Seattle victory in the Coliseum on Sunday.

To get a better understanding of how far the Rams have come and what to expect this weekend, I sent five Qs to Joe McAtee of Turf Show Times and in kind he sent me five corresponding As.

Q: The Rams are 8-1 and undeniably in contention for the Super Bowl in a way that they haven’t been since 2001, but how significant are the issues on defense? Are you concerned that even if LA goes 15-1 that it might only take one Drew Brees or one big game from Cam Newton or possibly if he gets in there, Aaron Rodgers, to upend the Rams in the playoffs? Would you undo the Marcus Peters trade if you could?

A: Pretty significant. The Rams have two issues right now: edge pass rush and coverage. The former is a talent issue. The latter is an execution issue.

Pass rush off the edge used to be the strength of the entire Rams roster. The early Jeff Fisher era Rams had Robert Quinn and Chris Long and William Hayes and Eugene Sims at defensive end. They were talented and deep off the edge. But Sean McVay’s first year in charge had Robert Quinn, miscast in a 3-4 OLB role and clearly sapped by various injuries, and Connor Barwin who was brought in more for his knowledge of and experience in Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips’ defense.

The Rams moved on from both and promoted from within bringing Samson Ebukam and Matt Longacre into starting roles where neither has flourished. Recently added Dante Fowler Jr. brings perhaps more talent but the cost of his arrival and the sheer fact the Jacksonville Jaguars were willing to part with him suggests he won’t be the panacea many Rams fans are hoping for.

Coverage, though, doesn’t have such an obvious dearth of talent on the depth chart even while CB Aqib Talib is out injured. CB Marcus Peters is a two-time Pro Bowler who is coming off of a horrorshow against the New Orleans Saints. Fan Favorite CB Troy Hill’s career with the Rams has been a rollercoaster. He struggled in 2016 but was stellar down the stretch in 2017 including in the wild card playoff game.

This year, he’s again been the subject to fan ire. CB Nickell Robey-Coleman is a stellar slot corner, but given his size has limitations of what he can be expected to do. And while S Lamarcus Joyner and S John Johnson III are positives in run support, Joyner has had a down year after a stellar 2017.

The combination of the two has plagued the Rams for weeks now. And as to how concerned I am about it in big games, I’m understandably very concerned given that both aspects were exploited against the New Orleans Saints last week. It’s not something the Rams can’t find ways to win in spite of (they were 8-0 until last week after all), but it’s the sheer fact that you don’t get a whole series of games in football like in baseball, basketball or hockey.

The NFL postseason is built on single game installments. And like you mentioned, it only takes one big game from a Drew Brees or whomever the Rams face when it counts to undo all the positives of this team and there are a lot.

Would I undo the Marcus Peters trade? No. I think we’re looking at a low point, and it’s a bit hard to assess things at the lowest level. At season’s end when we have a full sense of how he performed especially after the regular season, maybe my answer would change.

But the Rams brought a two-time Pro Bowl corner in at a cost less than a first-round pick. That the Rams haven’t gotten his best play is maybe a task for Phillips to take on quickly and turn things around. And if he does, maybe we’re looking at things a bit differently in a few weeks.

Q: I was a bit surprised that the Rams could still find money and room for Dante Fowler at the trade deadline; how necessary was it to add a player like Fowler? It seems he was relatively active (one TFL, one PD) in his debut with the team, how do you expect him to rotate in and out with the other players at his position?

A: I would put the level of “necessary” need very low. The Rams were 8-0 with the #12 defense in DVOA prior to last week (they’re now weighted down to 15, which still isn’t in the bottom half of the league) with wins over the Los Angeles Chargers and Green Bay Packers. So the issue isn’t one of a roster need. It’s whether they needed to address it, and I really don’t think we needed to (again...we’re 8-1...).

I think the question is one of opportunity. The Rams had an opportunity to improve at best or add to at worst a position of roster need and at a pretty low cost; the Rams will send a third- and fifth-round pick to Jacksonville, but they’re likely to pick up a pair of third-round compensatory picks having lost WR Sammy Watkins and CB Trumaine Johnson to free agency.

So I’d suggest it was more an opportunity with upside at low cost and not necessarily a need per se. If anything, the Rams will still have the roster need in the offseason that they’ll still need to address anyway.

As for his rotation, he played more than 60% of the snaps in his first game with us. So I think it’s fair to say we’re going to see a ton of him down the stretch.

Q: Jared Goff needs Todd Gurley more than Todd Gurley needs Jared Goff. True or False?

A: I would say false because I think they both need each other and the receiving group equally. They were both on the field in 2016, and I’m not sure either needed each other much at all then. In fact, I’d suggest Jared Goff and Todd Gurley need the offensive line more than the line needs them. But the bottom line with the Rams’ offense is that they have components everywhere. Goff, Gurley, the wideouts, the line. They’re all (very good) parts of a whole that is absolutely cranking this year.

Q: I really don’t mind just talking about Aaron Donald for a very long time. For as long as you’ve watched football, how many defensive players do you think you’ve ever seen play on a regular basis are better than Donald and why is it Bobby Wagner?

A: Wobby Bagner.

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player as consistently dominant as Donald. He’s so central to opposing team gameplans and for obvious reason. And it’s just amazing because he’s different.

The Rams list him at 280 lbs. The Seahawks have a full 16 players heavier. So he’s not the biggest guy. He’s not winning on sheer size, but he has plenty of power. It’s that his power is compact. And the application of it is FAST. And he’s just very, very, very good. And that makes me happy.

So yeah, you should talk about him at length. Have you considered turning Field Gulls into an Aaron Donald blog? I think that idea has legs, Kenny.

Q: I know you’ve heard of Michael Dickson because in the last meeting between these two teams the Rams blocked a punt of his, so let me ask you this instead: Have you ever heard of Michael Dickson’s revenge?

Ooh is that like when you drink the tap water in Mexico and then your innards are all a hot pot of snot for like a week?
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Fuck their fans
Go check out the Q&A comments on TST. The homophobia and latent bigotry is next level. Rams fans are what happens when you take the 5 shittiest people from every high school in America and ask them to form a club.
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I'm not sure if anything has changed
other than the team winning, but the last time I checked the comments sections at TST a couple years ago it was a cesspool. We should probably also be cautious about judging an entire fanbase on a blog.
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Any short visit to TST
Is a reminder of how much human garbage frequents that page. The top rated comment to Kenneth’s Q&A on that page is a comment that’s all about the homophobia. And it’s got enough recs to go green. That lot is more feces than fanbase, it would appear.