What scares me about Goff; Sam Bradford

[dieterbrock]

projections, man, projections.

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Yep. Which is what scares me a little bit. Projection over actual performance.

 

[Amitar]

I am starting to not like either of them.

 

[LesBaker]

Thank you Rex Ryan.

 

[LesBaker]

I am starting to not like either of them.

They both speak very highly of you..........

 

[CanRamFan]

Yup, they all look like Hall of Famer(s) on highlight films.....btw, ever wonder why we don't see more (any) negative ones?

Come on man. I'm not predicting any future hall of famers here, just arguing that Goff is most definitely mobile and nothing like Sam Bradford in that sense. You must see that, No ?

 

[Mackeyser]

He's got amazing feet. Amazing.

That would explain the pedi and open toed shoes...

 

[8to12]

Anyone else on this board afraid to draft a lean, tall, spread offense accurate QB with limited mobility skills? I cant believe the Rams front office would go down this road again. I see the Rams doing what the AFC Central has done; go with big, rugged QB's that can stand tall and move around and run if asked. The pick has to Wentz. He comes from a pro style offense and would be a perfect complement to Gurley. Over time, that could change as Wentz become more comfortable in the NFL, ala Big Ben.

There is plenty of evidence on tape of Goff being pressured, sacked, and knocked around by defenses, not just one series but entire stretches of games. He came out unscathed, and he elevated his efficiency every year even with all of the pounding. Now, can we say the same for Wentz? I've watched tape of 3 games, most recently the game against Northern Iowa and I only found 2 plays where he was pressured and sacked. Can you provide me proof that Wentz, with only 23 career starts against FBS competition, can stay resilient in the face of defensive pressure week in and week out? Not trying to put down Wentz as much as I am trying figure out why people are willing to trade away the 4 or 5 draft picks for a QB that has no history of dealing with consistent defensive pressure from an opponent.

 

[ramsince62]

Come on man. I'm not predicting any future hall of famers here, just arguing that Goff is most definitely mobile and nothing like Sam Bradford in that sense. You must see that, No ?

I'm simply pointing out that highlight films don't tell you much.

 

[Adi]

Goff and Bradford have almost nothing in common.........what do you see there?

They are built very similar, they come from high efficiency passing offenses where they get to throw the ball all game, they are very quiet and don't look like leaders, I see quite a few similarities . don't forget Bradford was a great college qb and everyone thought he would be the franchise QB.

 

[Mackeyser]

There is plenty of evidence on tape of Goff being pressured, sacked, and knocked around by defenses, not just one series but entire stretches of games. He came out unscathed, and he elevated his efficiency every year even with all of the pounding. Now, can we say the same for Wentz? I've watched tape of 3 games, most recently the game against Northern Iowa and I only found 2 plays where he was pressured and sacked. Can you provide me proof that Wentz, with only 23 career starts against FBS competition, can stay resilient in the face of defensive pressure week in and week out? Not trying to put down Wentz as much as I am trying figure out why people are willing to trade away the 4 or 5 draft picks for a QB that has no history of dealing with consistent defensive pressure from an opponent.

Goff is an excellent QB and tough.

That said, I have a saying around my house, "If you ask for trouble, you'll always get more than you asked for." (I know it's not grammatically correct)

Goff takes TOO many hits. He can't sustain that at the Pro level, ESPECIALLY not in the NFC West. Is he tough? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But the Pac-12, isn't our division. Not even close... not remotely close. And we face some beastly defenses this year.

The key for ANY QB is to NOT take hits, not to be Rocky and get the snot beat out of him and keep getting up. Warner did that and it shortened his career by a bunch.

I like Goff for a lot of reasons. I like Wentz for a lot of reasons.

Goff needs to find a way to take fewer hits, period. Or someone like Clay Matthews will introduce him to WHY he needs to take fewer hits...up close and personal. Hopefully, it doesn't include a massive injury (I still don't know how Foles didn't die from that hit...I'm only half kidding). Please don't think that because someone in the Pac-12 didn't injure Goff that he's immune to injury in the NFL. That's only not true, but a dangerous line of thought.

Wentz needs to improve his footwork in the pocket because dirty pockets can lead to nasty leg injuries... OL rolling all over the place. That wide base is asking for problems. His escapability is a plus, (especially because it makes it harder for guys to launch at him, they have to focus on wrapping up instead), but he's got to tighten up his footwork and better synch his footwork and his throwing mechanics.

They're both good and whomever we pick, hopefully they become worthy of the #1 pick.

 

[-X-]

That said, I have a saying around my house, "If you ask for trouble, you'll always get more than you asked for." (I know it's not grammatically correct)

Nice. I have a saying around my house too.
"The fuck outta my chair."

 

[Roman Snow]

I think it was reported as a tether ball injury but it was actually 4 square

I think Wentz developed his superior 3-option passing abilities during his 4-square years.