What Patriots Fans Are Saying

[Loyal]

I think it was more about his inability to craft his game plan around the talent he had instead of the scheme he wanted......which is the exact opposite of him with the Patriots. I hate saying it, but BB is a freaking football stud! that makes that team the way it is. (damn that was hard!)

HUSH YUR MOUTH!

 

[Da-Rock]

HUSH YUR MOUTH!

I know...I know. I need to wash my mouth out!!!

 

[12intheBox]

View: https://twitter.com/nfl_memes/status/1088119145957416962?s=21

 

[Ants]

View: https://twitter.com/nfl_memes/status/1088119145957416962?s=21

That cracked me up!
:redcard:

 

[Billy Baroo]

Goff in reality is far closer to his first year Bust play than his more recent good play.

This was my favorite. (PT didn’t say).

 

[kurtfaulk]

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...-vs-rams-superbowl-pre-game-analysis.1147118/

Pats vs. Rams Superbowl pre-game analysis

Some good thoughts from Evan Lazar:

Super Bowl Preview: the Patriots Match Up Well Against the Rams | CLNS Media

Football outsiders:

QR Bonus: Keys to Beating Los Angeles | Football Outsiders

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Someone wrote an article about this and said he’s noticed that Jared Goff at this point in his career has a problem with his internal clock when throwing. He throws the ball late a lot. That doesn’t bode well against a man to man defense
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The biggest knock against Goff is that he will only throw to something he can see (e.g., an open receiver), hence those late throws. He is also horrendous when under pressure.

Brady, on the other hand is the master of seeing plays before they happen, he is absolutely ballsy when it comes to releasing the ball before the play develops or the receiver finishes the route, or snaps off his stem- e.g., anticipating that such and such will be at such and such place, or that a window will open at such and such place. His talent and mastery of this skill is unprecedented.
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Here is some interesting things Schlereth said when he was guest on the garbage show "First Things First". But bear with me he actually came with an interesting viewpoint about BB teams having issues with the Shanahan zone running scheme that is not hot takey at all.

I am surprised it didn't blow the heads of Wright and Carter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Cqq1mlQAB9k

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The big thing about Goff is he can’t think for himself. He has Mcvay detailing the defense and their coverage and what to do for the 15 seconds in his helmet and then he follows the script.
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Really need to do to him what they did to Rivers
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Honestly, they are making a big deal out of Brandin Cooks having intel on NE. Yes, he knows us, but we know him too. And anyone who tries to hurdle over an Eagle defender in the Super Bowl probably isn't that bright any way.
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Rams rode their defense to that win. Goff got really rattled in that stadium. He was panicky on a lot of throws.
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BB may be able to dial up some coverages he’s never seen. Goff is inexperienced. He’s only faced the patriots once as a rookie. That game wasn’t even close.
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All they need to do is change up the look once the 15 second headset thing hits. He won’t be able to have McVay telling him the coverages
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To me this game is more about whether the Pats can properly protect Brady and score the points. I am a lot more confident that the defense will do an adequate job of holding up against the Rams.
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The ages of Tom Brady's receivers when he won Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams in 2002:

Julian Edelman: 15
James Develin: 13
Chris Hogan: 13
Rob Gronkowski: 12
Dwayne Allen: 11
Rex Burkhead: 11
James White: 10
Cordarrelle Patterson: 10
Phillip Dorsett: 9
Sony Michel: 6
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I think this game all comes down to protecting Brady,....if they can keep Tom relatively clean then the Pats win....I do think NE can cover the Rams receivers, I woudl love to see that defense NE used against the chargers, Goff will never know where they are coming from.
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I don’t know when or how it happened but the Patriots OL has all of a sudden become the best in the league. This can’t be said enough.

If this is for real and they keep this going one more time I think we’ll be celebrating in 12 days.
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Am I glad that Brees and the Saints didn't make it Goff is Good but he's no Drew Brees.
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I worry about the Patriots defense. They gave up 24 points in the 4th quarter..
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The Patriots weakness is on dives and counters and Gurley excels at that as long as he’s healthy. I fully expect the Rams to make the run the focal point. McVay is not the assassin of a play caller that Payton or even McDaniels is (who mercilessly attacks whatever your weakness is), but he is smart. The DT group will have to bring it again.
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We’re gonna play more zone coverage. I believe 9 of his 12 INTs were against zone.

The All-22: How Patriots pressure could make life miserable for Jared Goff
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Kind of surprised by the Wade Phillips defenses have been good against the Pats. I guess if you consider 6-3 good then ok?

The outside running lanes are there for the taking for Michel. Think Rams D is averaging 5 ypc on outside carries. They just dont have the personal to stop it. They will have to drop the secondary closer to the line to help out and it’s going to cost them in play action.

Personally, I’m expecting a blowout, but I’ve been wrong before with these predictions.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-hs_Tj9aU

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Goff was the 28th ranked QB when facing pressure I believe. Of course pressure will affect any QB, but it reaaaaally seemed to bother Goff.

Rams have a solid O-line but we need to get pressure. If Goff has time he’s capable of picking you apart. Strong arm and accurate. Pressure will be key, we don’t have to try and sack him every play. Just make him move around the pocket and get him uncomfortable.
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Goff looked shaky as hell in the playoffs, I was not particularly impressed.

Only thing that concerns me about the Rams is their defensive tackles. Pressure up the middle reminds me of the Giants in 2007. Then again, Brady is now 11 years wiser and we have a much better running game this time.
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This is where I am hung up on being confident in a win. I think the Rams have a big advantage here and I think they will focus here. Let’s hope they overthink it, because their pass game doesn’t worry me. But if they get the run game then those bootlegs and their OLine will be able to give Goff all day.
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On the flipside the same can be said for our offense against their run defense. I think the game is pretty evenly matched based on perceived weaknesses and strengths except our pass defense is better than theirs.
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Goff in reality is far closer to his first year Bust play than his more recent good play.
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The Rams are actually pretty good in terms of pass defense against RBs and TEs. Kamara was almost more of an exception this season. I would not be surprised if the focus will be more on Edelman and his quick routes and -- of course -- the run game. And then obviously change of pace to White / Gronk and PA now and then.

Given how vulnerable they seem to be on outside runs it could also end up being a game for CP.
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We are talking about how inefficient Goff can be be once McVay stops giving him instructions. While I agree that it may be true, they are the #2 seed in NFC and played some good defenses this season and managed to win.

That said, they also lost to Bears, Saints (regular season), Eagles was because Goff couldn't play well. It was not just one qtr but throughout the game. McVay being the genius coach he is, probably is aware of this and will plan accordingly.

Like many people have already said, if we rattle him early and put pressure on him, it doesn't matter if it's McVay talking to him in the headset or someone else, we will win by a good margin. Hopefully that'll happen and we can finally have a superbowl where we start dominating and never let up. I can't handle the blood pressure anymore

Personally, I would like this game to be similar to Seattle-Denver super bowl when Seattle won 43-8.
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I've seen Goff played horrid a number of times.

haha, that a real mensa convention right there.

imagine cheats fans talking about a qb getting instructions and info from his coaches in his helmet. idiots.

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[-X-]

Goff in reality is far closer to his first year Bust play than his more recent good play.

 

[RhodyRams]

Rams rode their defense to that win. Goff got really rattled in that stadium. He was panicky on a lot of throws.

Goff looked shaky as hell in the playoffs, I was not particularly impressed.

Goff in reality is far closer to his first year Bust play than his more recent good play.

 

[BostonBlackie]

Patriots injury report: Clean sheet.

Mike Reiss ESPN Staff Writer

The Patriots submitted their first injury report of the Super Bowl bye week and there are no players listed. A clean sheet.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots

 

[LesBaker]

All that negative shit about the Rams..........well OK.

Who had the better regular season record against a harder schedule?

The Rams.

What team just beat the "best" team in the NFL in their house?

The Rams.

I can't decide if I would prefer a beating or a close game.

I'd love a 50 burger to under 10 points. And to see the Patriots out of synch, pressure on Brady and several sacks, stuffing the offense while running and passing all over the defense. Delicious.

But..........another long distance bomb from Legatron would be sweet too. Tease them with a little hope of great field position, then fucking take it away and serve them up a shit sandwich like in NO. Imagine a 67 yarder as time runs out. Something for people to talk about forever.

I have to give this some meaningful thought.

 

[Mojo Ram]

View: https://twitter.com/nfl_memes/status/1088119145957416962?s=21

 

[rams1fan]

Two really idiotic things on their boards.

1. Rams don't deserve to be in the Super Bowl because of the non-call P.I. This from team that won their first SB due to the "tuck" call.

2. Rams are one of those teams that try to buy a SB (Cooks, Talib, Peters, Suh). Umm two of those players were on past Patriots team and the Patriots didn't draft either. You would think Pats fans knew there own team.

 

[jrry32]

All that negative crap about the Rams..........well OK.

Who had the better regular season record against a harder schedule?

The Rams.

What team just beat the "best" team in the NFL in their house?

The Rams.

I can't decide if I would prefer a beating or a close game.

I'd love a 50 burger to under 10 points. And to see the Patriots out of synch, pressure on Brady and several sacks, stuffing the offense while running and passing all over the defense. Delicious.

But..........another long distance bomb from Legatron would be sweet too. Tease them with a little hope of great field position, then freaking take it away and serve them up a crap sandwich like in NO. Imagine a 67 yarder as time runs out. Something for people to talk about forever.

I have to give this some meaningful thought.

No thought needed for me. Beat the shit out of them. Embarrass them. That's what I would love the most. Make them look like they don't even belong on the same field.

 

[NERamsFan]

Patriots injury report: Clean sheet.

Hard to understand Mike Reiss most times, he’s always choking on Bill’s or Tom’s dick. Biggest local suckup in the business.

Can’t stand the guy!

 

[Prime Time]

https://www.patsfans.com/new-englan...ms-superbowl-pre-game-analysis.1147118/page-4

Pats vs. Rams Superbowl pre-game analysis

They are not the same offense without Cooper Kupp.

Goff is not the same QB without Kupp.

With Cupp and KC game (which was the first one he missed) 35 ppg.

After Kupp & KC: 24ppg

Goff w/ Kupp + KC game= 68% comp, 322ypg, 113 rating, 2.4TDs, .5INT per game

Goff after KC no Kupp= 59% 232ypg, 76.08 rating, 1TD, 1INT per game.
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Cooks production is way down without Kupp.
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Donald tends to declare a gap early and almost over-pursue as if he's playing the pass all the way on every down. I would suspect that the Patriots are going to dust off their game plan for Julius Peppers in 2003 for Mr. Donald. There should be since nice holes for the RBs to get to the next level.
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Since Thanksgiving Goff has 2 games with more than 216 yards passing.
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That Broncos defense was historically incredible; this Rams defense is actually pretty bad, not just in comparison, but it's not good by 2019 NFL standards.
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Gurley missed three games after Thanskgiving and was ineffective in most of the others, with the exceptions being the Dallas and Detroit games. There's a clear correlation between Gurley's effectiveness and Goff's, and the causation is from Goff. The Rams offense slowed considerably into December and it all started with Goff's struggles.

Gurley's effectiveness is largely just a function of number of men in the box; he runs very poorly (relative to other RBs) against loaded boxes and does not break tackles well at all. He's very good when he gets big holes and can get into space, but he doesn't get that if Goff isn't keeping defenses honest.

Goff's been bad since the beginning of December. The NFL seems to have figured him out. He played horribly against the Saints and they were simply unable to make him pay. This is going to be like the Giants Super Bowls - an average QB with an up-and-down running game and an aggressive defense. But the Patriots, I think, match up very well against this team. They just can't get outcoached.
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I'm sure Belichick has more knowledge on Cooks' abilities than he has on our defense.
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Nobody matches up well against Donald. He's a force of nature. But Mason can win one-on-one against Suh and the Patriots' tackles have the advantage against their outside rushers. Donald's always going to get a double team, and in the run game they'll wham him. I think they have the offensive line to do well against the Rams' defensive line.

The Rams secondary is particularly vulnerable to slot receivers. Larry Fitzgerald, Tyreek Hill, Emmanuel Sanders, Bruce Ellington, and Stefon Diggs all had big games against them this season. Nickell Robey-Coleman is quite bad, Marcus Peters doesn't care, and their safeties are vulnerable. Edelman should feast.
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This is one of the three worst teams the Patriots have faced in a Super Bowl. Of course, they lost to those two Giants teams. (Though they're a better team than they were in 2011, too.) Definitely the worst quarterback they've faced, including Eli. Anything can happen but I definitely lean Patriots in this game in a way that I haven't in any Super Bowl since 2007.

Smart bet for long odds on Super Bowl MVP is Cordarrelle Patterson, for what it's worth. Rams special teams coverage is iffy and they're going to want to attack the outside of their defense on jet sweeps. If Patterson can get into space, especially if the person facing him down is Marcus Peters (whose willingness to tackle strongly resembles Chris Canty's) or hold onto the damn ball when he's thrown it, he could have a huge impact in all phases of the game. It's hardly impossible to imagine him emerging with a receiving, rushing, and return touchdown.
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The 2011 Giants were by far the worst SB opponent.
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Last year a lot of pregame talk was about blocking the Eagles front and that the Pats could exploit the secondary if Brady had time. Done.

In multiple playoff games against Houston, the talk centered around blocking Watt, Clowney and Marcellus. Done.

This year: Block the Chargers' front? Done. Block the Chiefs' front? Done and done.

I have faith in BB, Scar and this OL to figure something out.
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the only things that worry me are a momentum changing fake punt by the Rams or a key injury.
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I wouldn't say I'm "worried" about a fake punt as by now the Pats should be ready for it. If the Rams pull one off, I'll just tip my cap to them.

As for injuries, **** happens.
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I wonder if Cooks will run in circles until someone on the Pats breaks his jaw this Superbowl...
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Cooks was a net negative in the Super Bowl, singlehandedly costing them points on an early drive. The offense got better after he was knocked out of the game. He's a fine player but let's not pretend he's a gamechanger.
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Whenever the Pats play poorly in the playoffs leading up to a Super Bowl they somehow manage to make it in they always lose in the big game.

2007 - Pats struggled against Jax and SD; SB 42 loss

2011 - Pats struggle against Baltimore (lucky to win that one IMO); SB 46 loss

2017 - Pats struggle against Jax; SB 52 loss

2018 - Pats play well against LAC and KC
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Do the rams have a similar offense as philly did last year? Seems like to me that the rams are under center a lot
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I believe the talent level on the Rams is very similar to the Eagles from last year. The patriots offense has a much better run game but worse pass offense. Pats defense this year is MUCH better than last year.

Overall I believe the competition is similar talent wise and coaching to last year but an improved Pats D will make the difference.

Based on Rams defense weakness, I belive Sony. James White and Burkhead will be very busy.

Both teams will be very patient with the run to set up the pass.
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The Rams don’t run an RPO offense.
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I think their run defense is going to play closer to their recent results. I worry about them getting a lot of momentum and 3 and outs early. I also think they’re going to bracket Jules a lot, so our game plan needs to be a bit unique early on in both the run and pass game.

I think we can get Dorsett on a double move or could be a blown coverage with Patterson on a drag route or wheel route out of the backfield. I think they match up well with what we’ve been doing lately.

That said, our defense is capable of holding them to a very low amount thanks to that pass defense you mention and we can sell out to stop the run. I think we’ve stopped shooting gaps with Roberts and KVN for the most part and asking more of the DTs, and not giving up the gashing runs. We just need to avoid that big super bowl mistake from Tom or a fumble from a skill player, play with a small lead if needed, and go from there.

I think this ends up as 13-17 pt win for us or them in most scenarios, and I’m leaning like 55/45 us. There’s a thousand way it could play out, so that’s just the most likely IMO.
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I’m the least concerned about their pass game, in fact not even remotely concerned. Only thing that opens that up is the run game getting going which will keep our pass rush at bay.

I wonder if Clayborn gets more run or less with their run game ability and all of the bootlegs and rollouts.
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They have DL talent and they’re playing better at this point in the season. I would go against tendencies, run it a bit with some varied jet sweeps, lots of RB throws, lots of action getting them moving side to side.
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I would argue the pass offense was worse last year without Edelman and Cooks getting knocked out.

I would also argue the Rams have some similarities to last year's Eagles teams - strong D line, oline, weak LBs, so-so secondary, good running game. One major difference is last year's Eagles receivers/TE group was better - mainly because of Ertz.
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I don't necessarily think it will be close, but I hope it will be. I'm hoping for a defensive showdown. Everyone's talking Brady vs Goff or Belichick vs McVay, but how about Belichick vs Phillips? Two of the greatest defensive minds of all time.

That being said, I think the Rams defense matches up well (comparatively) with the Pats offense, and I think the Pats defense matches up well with the Rams defense.

 

[Raptorman]

Two really idiotic things on their boards.

1. Rams don't deserve to be in the Super Bowl because of the non-call P.I. This from team that won their first SB due to the "tuck" call.

2. Rams are one of those teams that try to buy a SB (Cooks, Talib, Peters, Suh). Umm two of those players were on past Patriots team and the Patriots didn't draft either. You would think Pats fans knew there own team.

Pats wouldn't be in it without the "phantom" roughing the passer call on Brady.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

The Hubris on the above post by Patriots fans is nothing short of amusing

 

[kurtfaulk]

Goff's been bad since the beginning of December. The NFL seems to have figured him out. He played horribly against the Saints and they were simply unable to make him pay.

Haha, what game did this bozo watch?

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[12intheBox]

They aren’t wrong about our O being better with Kupp. It was. Any teams would be. We are going to win without him and then storm into 2019-20 with him back.

 

[FarNorth]

Just, no. I would trade Kromer for his counterpart in New England (Oline coach)..and no one is better/fresher/more innovative than Sean McVay in calling plays...Not even Bellicheat.

EDIT. I would not take Brady over Goff at this point in his career.

Not trading Kromer or Goff for ANYONE.