What did Les do to Carolina?

[kurtfaulk]

It’s true. They tried to trade up for Tet McMillan. It was even on the Panthers video that they do. (similar to Behind the Grind)

Here is a story about it.

Panthers sought 'load of picks' from Rams in exchange for rights to WR Tetairoa McMillan

According to reporter Darin Gantt, the Panthers entertained the idea of handing over Tetairoa McMillan to the Rams. But they wanted a haul to do so.

pantherswire.usatoday.com

McVay has been wanting a tall possession receiver for a few years now. He tried to get Mike Evans and Courtland Sutton last year. McMillan is 6’-4”.

Go back to page one. @Memphis Ram posted a clip of it.

I saw the video. There was no mention made of the player the Rams were targeting. We knew who the Panthers were targeting, that's about it.

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[RamFan503]

I saw the video. There was no mention made of the player the Rams were targeting. We knew who the Panthers were targeting, that's about it.

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Obviously there was talk between the teams but no real evidence on the details. In the end, the Rams said they were out. You have to figure that the Rams were working the phones constantly through the entire draft. This could be a face saving release by the kitty cats. They are taking a big risk on who they picked. If it doesn’t pay off, they might look like fools if they can’t say someone else would have done the same and paid more to do it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I've not seen where anyone from the Panthers has said that McMillian was the Rams target. I've just seen media speculation from what other teams believed.

Makes sense. Everything I've read in the past is that NFL teams don't tell the other team who they are attempting to go up for for draft day trade up discussions. If I'm not mistaken, Snead may have even said this in an interview awhile back.

And one could make the argument that what could be counter productive for future relations would be any mention of another teams targeted player if they are privy to that private information.

All that said, if my team has had some poor recent drafts and then drafted a WR who had a video out with him stating how he doesn't watch film, it wouldn't hurt to justify the selection from a PR perspective to the fanbase by linking him to a team that has drafted really well recently.

The Rams cannot admit to wanting a specific player once that player is drafted. That’s tampering. The only people confirming that after the fact are reporters.

That video of Tet McMillan saying he doesn’t like watching film, is not from last year. Robert Mays said it was from his freshman year. What freshman likes watching film? It was a smear campaign is all.

If the Panthers GM is so insecure that he needs to make up some elaborate lie about who he drafts, so his fan base accepts the player he chooses, then he shouldn’t be the GM. I don’t believe that is the case because a person doesn’t ascend to that position without convidence in their own abilities. Do you think a former star NFL player is likely to be wishy washy, fretting over what fans think of his first pick?

I tend to believe reports that come out after the draft. It’s the ones just before the draft that are dart throws.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Obviously there was talk between the teams but no real evidence on the details. In the end, the Rams said they were out. You have to figure that the Rams were working the phones constantly through the entire draft. This could be a face saving release by the kitty cats. They are taking a big risk on who they picked. If it doesn’t pay off, they might look like fools if they can’t say someone else would have done the same and paid more to do it.

I don’t think that was a risky pick. He’s been considered top ten all winter until that video came out and according to Robert Mays it was an old video from his freshman year.

Is there other negative info on McMillan other than that video?

 

[RamFan503]

I don’t think that was a risky pick. He’s been considered top ten all winter until that video came out and according to Robert Mays it was an old video from his freshman year.

Is there other negative info on McMillan other than that video?

The video, his speed, talk of lazy route running. The kid could be great and pretty much every kid coming out of college is going to have stated flaws, real or not.

All in all, you may be right that it’s not a risky pick. But there’s enough out there to question how he will translate to the NFL.

Oh well. It’s really not important enough for me to want to argue about it.

 

[Memphis Ram]

The Rams cannot admit to wanting a specific player once that player is drafted. That’s tampering. The only people confirming that after the fact are reporters.

That video of Tet McMillan saying he doesn’t like watching film, is not from last year. Robert Mays said it was from his freshman year. What freshman likes watching film? It was a smear campaign is all.

If the Panthers GM is so insecure that he needs to make up some elaborate lie about who he drafts, so his fan base accepts the player he chooses, then he shouldn’t be the GM. I don’t believe that is the case because a person doesn’t ascend to that position without convidence in their own abilities. Do you think a former star NFL player is likely to be wishy washy, fretting over what fans think of his first pick?

I tend to believe reports that come out after the draft. It’s the ones just before the draft that are dart throws.

No one is suggesting that the Rams would tamper. Just pointing out the difference in the reports.

Last year it was said plainly that the Rams were after Bowers and Murphy II. We later even saw this on video. This year we get a report from Russini that teams believed the Rams were targeting McMillan and others in the media ran with it. That's a significant difference, IMO.

The McMillian video being old may be significant for the team's evaluations. But, for PR and fans who don't follow the draft as closely to know it stinks. Especially after poor prior drafts. The PR staff can handle the rest without the GM really getting all that involved. I'd hope he'd have more important things to do.

Either way, this is much to do about nothing and I'm done with this conversation.

 

[DzRams]

That's the key question.

IMO, the answer is TE Colston Loveland.

Last year Bowers and Murphy II were speculated and confirmed.
Tetairoa McMillan has been speculated, but not confirmed.

If I were running the Panthers, I'd push that the Rams wanted the guy we selected, too.

For a team that has gone heavily for guys that love the game, McMillian just doesn't sound like a fit based upon information learned during the pre-draft process.

Someone else mentioned the Rams shopping for bigger WR in the past. Could be a clue, but a similarly sized Jayden Higgins with longer arms and a probably a better vertical was still on the board. IMO, McVay was going to get a TE come hell or high water this draft.

Loveland was drafted #10. If he was the target, it's likely we would have heard trade rumors of the Rams trying to get the 9th pick after they declined Carolina's price on the 8th pick.

When trade calls stop is usually how fans and media know the trade target.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Loveland was drafted #10. If he was the target, it's likely we would have heard trade rumors of the Rams trying to get the 9th pick after they declined Carolina's price on the 8th pick.

When trade calls stop is usually how fans and media know the trade target.

Possibly but the Rams and Saints may have had prior discussions, with New Orleans having no interest in trading-down that far (9th to 26th).

While things move fast, there are usually prior conversations where teams are aware of who may have an interest in moving up or down, with certain parameters already in place.

I'm inclined to agree with @Memphis Ram; and believe the Rams' interest in moving-up was for Loveland.
Of course we are just guessing here (only the teams and @OldSchool know for sure) but I think that makes the most sense.

Terrance Ferguson may have been the Rams' pick at #26; and he may have been their alternative choice to Colston Loveland. With Adams and Atwell already signed to join Nacua in the WR-room, Tet McMillan doesn't seem like a good-fit.

 

[dang]

To get Fiske the Rams ended up giving 2024's #52 and #155 as well as 2025's #57.

So it turned out to be a 3-player for Fiske deal.

The list of players the Rams could have drafted with those 3 picks is pretty impressive, especially the #57 in 2025.

I think the jury is still out on the Fiske deal.

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Jury came back after a 20 minute deliberation (would have been 10 minutes but one of the jurors had to take a dump and got lost finding the jury room afterwards) to rule the Fiske pick as innocent of all charges. The judge reamed the prosecutor from bringing this BS case to court wasting everyone’s time and tax payer $$.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Loveland was drafted #10. If he was the target, it's likely we would have heard trade rumors of the Rams trying to get the 9th pick after they declined Carolina's price on the 8th pick.

When trade calls stop is usually how fans and media know the trade target.

Not necessarily as everything that happens isn't immediately discovered. And some things are never found out. Especially, the pre-draft stuff off camera.

We haven't even reached mid June. And in last year's Roku NFL Draft video that came out about that time last year we found that the Rams made draft day calls to teams that wasn't previously even reported. I have no idea if they are going to have another video this year, but it's possible that we learn more IF the Rams are chosen as one of the teams.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Possibly but the Rams and Saints may have had prior discussions, with New Orleans having no interest in trading-down that far (9th to 26th).

While things move fast, there are usually prior conversations where teams are aware of who may have an interest in moving up or down, with certain parameters already in place.

I'm inclined to agree with @Memphis Ram; and believe the Rams' interest in moving-up was for Loveland.
Of course we are just guessing here (only the teams and @OldSchool know for sure) but I think that makes the most sense.

Terrance Ferguson may have been the Rams' pick at #26; and he may have been their alternative choice to Colston Loveland. With Adams and Atwell already signed to join Nacua in the WR-room, Tet McMillan doesn't seem like a good-fit.

That is a total guess. There is nothing suggesting that the Rams tried to trade up for Loveland. The only thing we have to go by is that they reportedly tried to trade for McMillan.
By your logic and @Memphis Ram logic you could insert any fantasy you want and claim it’s more likely. For example: I think they tried to trade up for Abdul Carter. We just didn’t hear about it. In fact I believe they tried to trade up at every single pick for anyone except Tet McMillan.

You see? It’s just projection.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not necessarily as everything that happens isn't immediately discovered. And some things are never found out. Especially, the pre-draft stuff off camera.

We haven't even reached mid June. And in last year's Roku NFL Draft video that came out about that time last year we found that the Rams made draft day calls to teams that wasn't previously even reported. I have no idea if they are going to have another video this year, but it's possible that we learn more IF the Rams are chosen as one of the teams.

It’s possible. But until you get confirmation from someone it’s a shot in the dark.

If a reporter is being told by NFL teams that the Rams were trying to, or believed to be trying to acquire McMillan, then the odds are higher that it’s true, rather than a random fan guessing that it was someone different. Do you see what I mean? You have zero connection to an NFL front office. You weren’t in a draft room. Your guess is less legitimate than a reporter, who has actually spoken to NFL teams.

 

[Memento]

Could've easily been trading up for Tyler Warren as well.

We don't know that they tried to trade up for McMillan for sure; from all accounts, he did not fit the culture we've tried so hard to make. Talented, but Burden is talented as well, and we probably didn't have him on our board for similar reasons.

Anyway, I don't think there's any point in speculating. We have Ferguson, Mumpfield, and a future first. That's enough for me.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Of course we are just guessing here

That is a total guess.

You OK?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You OK?

Yes. I’m fine. Thanks.

It just seems odd to guess it was someone else, when we have a reporter telling us what other teams told her. Do you think she lied? Do the other teams have a reason to lie to her about it?

If she talks to three teams and asks who the Rams were considering trading up for, and all three teams said McMillan, I think that’s likely accurate. If 4/6 teams said that, then I’d think that’s pretty accurate.

I don’t see the point in creating a second narrative.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Yes. I’m fine. Thanks.

It just seems odd to guess it was someone else, when we have a reporter telling us what other teams told her. Do you think she lied? Do the other teams have a reason to lie to her about it?

If she talks to three teams and asks who the Rams were considering trading up for, and all three teams said McMillan, I think that’s likely accurate. If 4/6 teams said that, then I’d think that’s pretty accurate.

I don’t see the point in creating a second narrative.

Seemed to me like you over-reacted to a harmless post that was provided with clear clarification.

It was ... and is (in my opinion) ... Reasonable Speculation ... which is a nice way of saying ... A Guess

Two years ago, it was reported that the Rams were interested in Dalton Kincaid.
Last year, it was reported that they wanted Brock Bowers (or the top-DL Byron Murphy).
This year, they drafted Ferguson with their top pick; and it was reported, he may have been their pick at #26.

Colston Loveland was a hot commodity this Draft, and offers similar skill set to the other TEs mentioned above ... again, in my opinion. McMillan did not make much sense to me.

Dianna Russini reported it was McMillan. Tom Pelissero suggested it was Emeka Egbuka. They are both solid reporters, and I do not discount their comments. Most of the other articles I have read were based on the comments of Russini and Pelissero.

 

[Memphis Ram]

It’s possible. But until you get confirmation from someone it’s a shot in the dark.

If a reporter is being told by NFL teams that the Rams were trying to, or believed to be trying to acquire McMillan, then the odds are higher that it’s true, rather than a random fan guessing that it was someone different. Do you see what I mean? You have zero connection to an NFL front office. You weren’t in a draft room. Your guess is less legitimate than a reporter, who has actually spoken to NFL teams.

OK. I got bored so last one with you.

It's ALL speculation. From this fan AND the non-Rams team sources reported by Russini. Again she said other teams believed. Not as a fact from someone with the Rams.

This is unless one truly believes that the Rams organization is dumb enough to let if be known to other teams their targeted player which from what I understand teams don't typically do. Why? Because it would be a boneheaded move strategically as another team could trade up ahead or compete with you for said player if they found out.

And a team or teams believing something doesn't necessarily make it more likely or true. Over the years there have been other post draft articles of teams trading up to get ahead of teams that they believed were targeting a player they weren't even targeting. Shoot even last year, the Eagles thought the Rams were targeting the Iowa CB when they traded up for Fiske. Pre-Draft Lying or Smoke Screen Season isn't for the media or fans. It's to throw off the other drafting teams.

BTW, here's another report from Rapoport


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1915772083470033386


Perhaps the Rams are included with these teams. Maybe they weren't. No one knows but the Rams and those teams. But notice he says teams. Has everything leaked out regarding each of the teams Rapoport says tried to trade up? If not, does that doesn't mean it didn't happen with those teams?

I think I've made this point before, but contrary to what may be popular belief, there are things that go on in NFL Offices that we don't know or will ever hear about which leads to speculation from everyone outside of that organization.

 

[DzRams]

Seemed to me like you over-reacted to a harmless post that was provided with clear clarification.

It was ... and is (in my opinion) ... Reasonable Speculation ... which is a nice way of saying ... A Guess

Two years ago, it was reported that the Rams were interested in Dalton Kincaid.
Last year, it was reported that they wanted Brock Bowers (or the top-DL Byron Murphy).
This year, they drafted Ferguson with their top pick; and it was reported, he may have been their pick at #26.

Colston Loveland was a hot commodity this Draft, and offers similar skill set to the other TEs mentioned above ... again, in my opinion. McMillan did not make much sense to me.

Dianna Russini reported it was McMillan. Tom Pelissero suggested it was Emeka Egbuka. They are both solid reporters, and I do not discount their comments. Most of the other articles I have read were based on the comments of Russini and Pelissero.

Two things...actually three.

This is an acknowledgement that we are all guessing.

Secondly, both reporters you mention state that we were after a WR even though they disagree with which one. And there were other reports that we were after Tet. There's a 1000 times more smoke on it being him than on a TE.

And even if it was a TE, it's just made up wishful thinking that it was Loveland. It just as easily could have been Warren.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Two things...actually three.

This is an acknowledgement that we are all guessing.

I also have a couple thoughts but I think I will stop at one because you and Elm are being a little dense IMO.

This is my 4th response on this topic but in my 1st response was the following acknowledgement ...
"Of course we are just guessing here"

 

[CoachAllred]

OK. I got bored so last one with you.

It's ALL speculation. From this fan AND the non-Rams team sources reported by Russini. Again she said other teams believed. Not as a fact from someone with the Rams.

This is unless one truly believes that the Rams organization is dumb enough to let if be known to other teams their targeted player which from what I understand teams don't typically do. Why? Because it would be a boneheaded move strategically as another team could trade up ahead or compete with you for said player if they found out.

And a team or teams believing something doesn't necessarily make it more likely or true. Over the years there have been other post draft articles of teams trading up to get ahead of teams that they believed were targeting a player they weren't even targeting. Shoot even last year, the Eagles thought the Rams were targeting the Iowa CB when they traded up for Fiske. Pre-Draft Lying or Smoke Screen Season isn't for the media or fans. It's to throw off the other drafting teams.

BTW, here's another report from Rapoport


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1915772083470033386


Perhaps the Rams are included with these teams. Maybe they weren't. No one knows but the Rams and those teams. But notice he says teams. Has everything leaked out regarding each of the teams Rapoport says tried to trade up? If not, does that doesn't mean it didn't happen with those teams?

I think I've made this point before, but contrary to what may be popular belief, there are things that go on in NFL Offices that we don't know or will ever hear about which leads to speculation from everyone outside of that organization.

They wanted this TE badly. only pick that would make sense.
Glad trade didn't go through.We still drafted a talented TE and IMO we aquired some very high potential players



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