Wade Phillips Admits he's Accountable

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Why was Wades D better last year?

It was better, with what on paper should have been a less talented unit for Wades D, as well as their 1st in a new system.
Considerably stronger play all around, to my eyes.

Did we lose some key leadership or locker room presence in Ogletree, Tru and Quinn?
Why does most of our secondary seem to all have regressed some this year. JJ, LJ and MP espescially.
Cant comment on NRC.

Joyner has really fallen off this year. In the Saints game he was horrific. Missed many easy tackles on Kamara and Thomas and could not cover Kamara out of the backfield. Not sure what happened to him.

Peters just cannot play man coverage consistently. Miscast. The raw talent is there. He made some plays in the Saints game but his lack of consistency is killing us. I predict he is gone at the end of the year unless he reinvents himself real quick.

The pass rush packages need to be tweaked. Brockers and Suh are important run stoppers but they get stonewalled against the top tier Olines such as the Saints. Ebukam, Brockers and Suh have no business being in on 3rd and long. Fowler, Donald, Westrooks and Franklin-Myers need to be our rush package.

And some Steelers type Blitz packages need to be employed. Our defense is too Vanilla, allowing offenses to get comfortable with the blocking concepts.

I want to see more of Sam Shields as well. Troy Hill is a good backup but doesn't have the upside of Shields.
 

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If I am honest with myself, I don't think Talib looked all that amazing in the 2.5 games to start the season. He definitely looked a step slower to me, and that is what I would expect at this stage in his career. However, this defense has no leader in the secondary at the moment, and he will definitely fill that role. These dudes just look lost out there this season. JJ and LJ are rarely in the right place, and when they get there, they forget how to tackle. LJ in particular looks like is trying to AVOID contact this year. I almost feel like he is protecting his body since he knows this is effectively a contract year. Not doing himself any favors there....

I expect Talib to have a calming effect for this young secondary, and to help get them back on track in Wade's scheme. Discipline is going to be key for the second half of the season. We don't appear to have the right pieces in some key places out there this year.
 

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Great Thread @Florida_Ram Wade needs to figure it out and I disagree about Peters not being a number 1 CB, at Washington, he was, in Kansas City he was, he's looked awful since the injury and the departure of Talib.

The Defensive Line and linebackers need to do a better job against the run. The Saints defense did, the Ram defense against the runs leaks and stuffed Kamara maybe once or twice. Overall, if this defense does not improve I could see some changes next year. But Wade Phillips needs to prove he's up to the task, the "Awe Shucks" theme is not working and it's time to try something else.

Now Fowler's play looked promising and activating Okoronkwo should give the Rams the ability to apply more pressure on the edge, but we need Suh & Brockers to step up in big games and Talib albeit might not be a true number one CB, but when you combine his leadership and tackling ability, he's vital to this team and they feed off of him. Peters could be miscast in this defense, but Coaches Coach and Players Play and Wade needs to Coach better and Peters needs to play better, regardless of what he's being asked to do.

NFL Draft Profile: Washington CB Marcus Peters
April 13, 2015Leave a comment2015 NFL Draft, NFL Defense, Washington HuskiesBy Dave Archibald

Analysts are shuffling the 2015 NFL Draft cornerback prospects on their draft boards, with Kevin Johnsonand Byron Jones rising and P.J. Williams falling after a recent DUI arrest. Dave Archibald has already analyzed them in addition to Trae Waynes, the likely first corner off the board. If Waynes isn’t the first corner chosen, it could be Washington CB Marcus Peters.
Marcus Peters is one of the most difficult prospects to evaluate in the draft. ESPN’s Todd McShay says Peters has the best tape of all the draft cornerbacks, and the junior’s 11 career interceptions and 27 passes defensed speak to his ball skills. However, the 22-year-old comes with red flags as he was dismissed him from the Huskies program a month before the end of the regular season. Teams must do their due diligence on not just Peters’s game film but also his coachability and discipline.

Tale of the Tape
The chart below shows Peters’s measurement and performance in NFL Combine drills, as well as the percentile rank of how these figures stack up to other cornerbacks since 1999:

Height Weight Arm Length Hand Span 40-Yard Bench Press Vertical Broad Jump Short Shuttle 3-Cone
72 197 31.5 8.375 4.53 17 37.5 121 4.08 7.08
63% 68% 51% 6% 37% 68% 68% 46% 69% 29.4%
Data from NFL.com and NFLCombineResults.com

Peters posted a disappointing 40-yard dash at the Combine and didn’t stand out in the other events. He has good size, and while his average measurables won’t turn any heads, they also suggest he doesn’t have athletic limitations.

What He Does Well
Playmaking
Peters tallied 11 interceptions in his three seasons with the Huskies, showing the instincts, ball skills, and hands to create turnovers:

Marcus-Peters-interception-against-Oregon-State.gif


Peters (#21) is in trail technique against Oregon State’s Richard Mullaney (#8), pursuing with his back to the quarterback and safety help downfield. When Mullaney cuts inside, Peters looks back for the throw. He leaps and deflects the pass into the air, then corrals it as he falls to the ground.

Peters has the instincts to make plays even when the intended target isn’t his man:

Marcus-Peters-interception-against-Stanford.gif


Stanford tries to hit Michael Rector (#3) on a deep cross. Peters starts the play offscreen to the left, covering another player, but sees the throw and jumps the route, intercepting the pass before the receiver can break on the ball.

Press Coverage
Peters is experienced and skilled in a variety of coverages, but his press abilities figure to draw the most interest from NFL teams, as they are rare for a college cornerback:

Marcus-Peters-press-coverage-against-Jaelen-Strong.gif


Peters lines up against Arizona State’s Jaelen Strong (#21), a highly regarded receiver prospect in the 2015 draft. On 3rd-and-9, Strong tries a fade route, releasing outside against the press, but the corner uses his strength to ride Strong to the sideline. Peters then looks back for the football, anticipates the back-shoulder throw, and breaks up the play. Few college cornerbacks possess the balance, strength, footwork, and anticipation that Peters displays here.

Like many college defensive backs, Peters can be too handsy at times, taking advantage of the NCAA’s lax rules against illegal contact. He will need to tighten up his technique, but this should be correctable given his other talents in press coverage.

Areas to Improve
Discipline / Coachability
Peters spent much of 2014 butting heads with the Huskies first-year head coach Chris Petersen and his staff. Early in the 2014 season, Peters committed a costly away-from-the-ball personal foul penalty and followed that with a sideline outburst against Eastern Washington that led to a suspension.

It is unclear exactly what precipitated Petersen eventually dismissing his talented cornerback, but Washington played its final five games, including the Cactus Bowl, without him. Peters has evidently made amends and is back in good graces with the programand it’s unfair to penalize college students too heavily for immaturity. Still, there is a risk factor with the player that isn’t present in the other top cornerback prospects. Individual teams will have to assess how much to weigh that when projecting his NFL fit.

Furthermore, Peters occasionally shows coachability issues on tape, not always pursuing at full speed when plays are on the other side of the field and sometimes getting chippy with opponents. His chippiness may lead to personal fouls but can also be an asset, as cornerbacks like Richard Sherman and Cortland Finnegan have made getting under their opponents’ skins a weapon in their arsenal.

Consistency
Peters’s film is strong on the whole, but he occasionally lapses in his technique or concentration:

Marcus-Peters-press-coverage-shoved-down-versus-Hawaii.gif


Peters lines up across from Hawaii’s Marcus Kemp (#14). At the snap, the corner tries to jam the junior receiver, but the WR wins the matchup and shoves Peters, knocking him to the ground. The Huskies get interior pressure and the quarterback never looks in Kemp’s direction, but it could have resulted in a big play.

In almost every game there are one or two plays where Peters struggles. For a cornerback, one or two plays can be the difference between a solid outing and a poor one.

Comparable Player
Chris McAlister. Peters had an eerily similar Combine to the longtime Raven, posting identical numbers in the 40-yard dash, broad jump, and 20-yard shuttle. McAlister did not come out of Arizona with Peters’s coachability questions, however.

Projection
Teams and draft analysts are all over the place on Peters and the picture is unlikely to be clear by draft day. He has obvious talent and perhaps the best ball skills in the class, but he comes with risks that other prospects don’t. Some team will likely make him a first-round pick. That selection could net them a disappointment that runs afoul of his professional coaching staff, but, by the same token, it could result in a shutdown corner that locks down half the field for a decade.

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2015-...fl-draft-profile-washington-cb-marcus-peters/
 

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Despite what they are showing in media....the Wade and the defense are no doubt feeling the pressure.
 

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Of course he is accountable

This is a results league to the core.

If you put too much bad tape out there it diminishes your opportunity, and it escalates pretty quickly.
Coach or player.
 

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Wade Phillips Admits he's Accountable

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Soooo... we have that going for us!
 

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Agree that the pass rush needs to be different next time the Rams play them. The Eagles' Brandon Graham was talking about the game on a local radio show. He felt the Rams mistake was taking wide pass rush lanes instead of trying to push the pocket into the shorter Brees' face. I think Wade will make that change.
 

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The problem with Peters is a bit like Jenkins was his first year. Feast or famine with him. This year seems more famine. He tries to watch the QB a little too much to get a pick and before you know it the WR is right by him. He needs to focus more on just pure coverage right now and not trying to be a hero every play..
 

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Everyone waiting for Talib to come back so he can hold Peters' hand and everything gonna be alright.

Peters still gonna get burned.

I dunno what the answer is, but Wade at least has a few options. Give Hatfield some playing time, sure as hell can't be any worse than Peters. Move Joyner back to DB, and put Countess in at S. Shake it up Wade, maybe you'll get some better results.
 

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My father who I have made into a pseudo-Rams fan over the years.

He isn't a giant NFL fan - but he has gotten Sunday ticket the last few years (basically because I've gotten him into the Rams)

Even he says to me last week "Who is this Peters guy? He sucks"

Not saying its 100% that simple. Just saying you don't have to be Vince Lombardi to see that Peters is an issue right now.
 

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I agree with the square peg, round hole analogy. Wade is cramming all of our square peg(4-3) players into his round hole (3-4) defense. That sounds bad I know but ignore that.
 

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Early and midseason is usually an acceptable time to make mistakes (could've worded that better)
As long as those get ironed out going into the postseason, we're good to go
Learn from your mistakes Wade and get your 2nd ring with an NFC team
 

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The lack of Blitz packages blows my mind.

If we didn’t have Donald closing out games this defense may be breaking records the wrong way.

If you can’t coach up your corner to play man coverage the way you need, then you must make adjustments, Wade is failing at that.
Exactly how I feel. We know how to beat Brees, we have to get him dirty, but the same can be said of most QB's. We will lose more games to teams with talented QB's if we don't start hitting the QB's, and early in the game. The risk/reward of blitzing seems extremely manageable at this point, with all the chunk plays we are giving up anyway.

Wade has to be better.
 

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Here's my problem with Wade saying "my bad," is he has been a DC or HC for 40 or years. He should have seen every scenario possible. Plus he has had a year and a half with this organization and he essentially got all the type of players he wanted in the off-season.

He miscalculated the pass rush. He has not drilled down imo on tackling, and FS play. Feels like he is phoning it it. McVay seems way hungrier. He too got Cooks added to a team but the offense is living up to their reputation the D is not.
 

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Everyone waiting for Talib to come back so he can hold Peters' hand and everything gonna be alright.

Peters still gonna get burned.

I dunno what the answer is, but Wade at least has a few options. Give Hatfield some playing time, sure as hell can't be any worse than Peters. Move Joyner back to DB, and put Countess in at S. Shake it up Wade, maybe you'll get some better results.

In theory, they can put Talib out on an island and give help to Peters.

Right now, it really feels like Joyner or Johnson are both told to shade towards Hill if they're the over the top help. That doesn't work with Peters getting torched on a regular basis. As such they get stuck rushing 4 and playing zone. With an above average QB like Brees, it becomes death by a thousand cuts....except our shitty tackling raises it's ugly head and little plays become chunk plays.

The above is my totally uneducated theory but what the heck :)
 

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Good defenses getting slapped around every week in Goodell's NFL.

Average Joe(Jane) fan is happy. Networks are happy too. It's getting more difficult for me to criticize all the margarine defenses out there because this is what the game has been molded into beginning around 10-12 yrs ago.
 

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Good defenses getting slapped around every week in Goodell's NFL.

Average Joe(Jane) fan is happy. Networks are happy too. It's getting more difficult for me to criticize all the margarine defenses out there because this is what the game has been molded into beginning around 10-12 yrs ago.

It's definitely been taken too far at this point. I've always enjoyed watching good defense. Soon it's all not even going to look like football anymore....
 

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I was in a bar in NO watching the Detroit v Pats game this year. The bartender was an avid Pats fan and while he was ticked that the Pats lost (I think that put them at 1-2), he said something to the effect that Bellichick will have something in mind in terms of the way they are playing. That he'd seen it before, blah blah blah (I was just revelling in another Pats loss!! (y)) . I didn't think much about it until now apart from another wanker Pats fan mouthing off at how good they were. Maybe, the good coaches do keep thing up their sleeves for whatever reason. The Pats have certainly come good.


Haha! Don't ya hate those smug Pats fans! Bellicheat can afford to experiment in their shitty division! Rest some players/ tape some practices/ deflate some balls...
 

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Here's my problem with Wade saying "my bad," is he has been a DC or HC for 40 or years. He should have seen every scenario possible. Plus he has had a year and a half with this organization and he essentially got all the type of players he wanted in the off-season.

He miscalculated the pass rush. He has not drilled down imo on tackling, and FS play. Feels like he is phoning it it. McVay seems way hungrier. He too got Cooks added to a team but the offense is living up to their reputation the D is not.

I'm absolutely with you on this. Wade said himself "we shoulda got him some help over the top."
Well duh!!!
Why didn't you then? Peters was 1 on 1 with their best receiver on 3rd nd 7.
If you Wade ... don't call an over the top help play on 3rd and 7 ... who will?
Why should he ever be saying "I need to call better plays" after coaching 40 years. It's just weird sounding to me.