Vent thread

[Kupped]

Why is the best man corner in football being asked to play 15 yards off in zone?

Why is the best man corner in football cheating off his man to make a play underneath that's already covered.

Why are we making excuses for a guy the Rams gave up two first rounders for and paid a lot of money?

 

[Kupped]

Stafford also led them on a game winning drive with a perfect pass to Kupp in the corner. All our defense had to do was play a decent prevent to win. If they did that the talk would be about Stafford winning the games that matter / that's what we traded for/ etc.

The defense stopped the niners on the next possession

All the offense had to do was get a first down

 

[Ram_Rally]

It's not just about TD's, it's about winning and I don't see much difference between 6 losses last season vs this years 5. Did throwing twice as many TD's make a meaningful difference?

They can thank Seattle for staying home next week. Not that (that's) going to make much difference.

The problem is you're comparing two completely different seasons. How many games would we have one if we played the NFC East this year instead of the NFC North? And if our defense was ranked number one in the NFL then how many games would we have won this year? How many wins do you project we have this year if we had the same quarterback as last year?

 

[Spider2YB]

That's fair enough, and McVay took the ball out of the hands of the guy he spent 2 firsts for.

Yeah not only that. But those running plays sucked. We just put 100 tight ends on the field hoping to straight up maul them when it hadn’t worked all game.

We needed another end around to Kupp or Higbee. If you are dead set on not throwing at least have some better play design.

 

[TXRams86]

If Ramsey is calling out Morris.. then who's calling out Ramsey? Biggest, game-changing play on that drive was him misplaying Deebo and letting up a 55 yard reception.

It’s fair to call out Ramsey for that play, no doubt. He’s not without criticism but he’s a singular player in a system that doesn’t play to his strengths. Seems like he can’t focus on any one thing - a particular man or a particular zone - because no one else around him seems to know their assignment.

Not to make an excuse for him but the entire defense was out of sorts damn near all game. Ramsey had his name called quite a bit this game, both good and bad.

 

[Kupped]

I'm going to re-up this concept.. because so many people are just talking past it..

The Rams, conceptually, play "not to lose" on both sides of the ball. That's a team vibe thing... and that's a McVay thing.

 

[Kupped]

It’s fair to call out Ramsey for that play, no doubt. He’s not without criticism but he’s a singular player in a system that doesn’t play to his strengths. Seems like he can’t focus on any one thing - a particular man or a particular zone - because no one else around him seems to know their assignment.

Not to make an excuse for him but the entire defense was out of sorts damn near all game. Ramsey had his name called quite a bit this game, both good and bad.

I get it.. but, the bottom line is it was the biggest play of the drive and game. He blew it.

He also made an incredible interception.

 

[MachS]

but do you think a drive to get at least a FG in OT is too much to ask for at that price?

So... take a couple of steps back.

I'm not blaming Stafford. Breathe.

Cut the bullshit man, you're a joke. If you want to take a shot at him have the balls to take a shot at him.

You're insinuating that he didn't do enough in this game to warrant the price tag we paid. When he literally just drove us down injured and threw a TD with 60secs left to win the game. On a day where the OL got dominated. When the running game was non existent.

This loss was on the defense. Dont blame Stafford for not going down the field twice in one minute while the defense does nothing.

 

[Ellard80]

90% of the coaches who come to the NFL don't win Super Bowls. Probably higher than that.

Just me from watching 40+ years of football.

yeah this is hindsight theater and you know it.

 

[TXRams86]

I'm going to re-up this concept.. because so many people are just talking past it..

The Rams, conceptually, play "not to lose" on both sides of the ball. That's a team vibe thing... and that's a McVay thing.

And it’s really odd because that mentality is traditionally observed in defensive minded coaches. Offensive minded coaches tend to put more eggs in their offenses baskets to put a game out of reach or to make a handful of plays to seal the deal. McVay seems to have gotten comfortable letting his defense close out games and it backfired today. If defense wins championships I don’t think this is the one to do it.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Dude he already drove us down injured with 60 seconds left and threw the TD which should've won the game. On an absolute dime to Kupp.

Meanwhile Jimmy G has one min and zero timeouts, yet drives down the field throwing to wide open WRs and a TD on a blown coverage..and you want to blame Stafford?? Jesus Christ. I guess he should've orchestrated two game winning drives in 1 min while the defense did absolutely nothing. Because that seems logical.

Oh for fuck's sake. Let me put it in bigger letters so the people in the back can get it because it keeps getting said and some people still can't seem to let it get into the gray matter.


NINETY SECONDS AND NO TIMEOUTS DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHEN THE OTHER TEAM HAS SPENT THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF GAME TIME SHOVING THE FOOTBALL UP YOUR ASS AND MOVING IT AT WILL WITH COMPLETE IMPUNITY AT WHATEVER SPEED THEY WANTED.

Seriously, people need to SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE 90 SECONDS AND 90 YARDS. The entire 2nd half was a display that all bets were off and that they could absolutely not be given the ball UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. You don't trust your defense in any way shape or form after what you've just witnessed, especially since the only "stop" they got the whole 2nd half was the result of an unforced error by their opponent, nothing the team had done. There was literally ZERO indication the defense was going to be able to hold serve. None. Absolute absence of indication. Hell, they moved it 61 yards in 38 seconds to end the half. The precedent was there. The only logic behind it is "well, look at how many hashmarks are between here and the paint". So?

You try to keep the ball out of their hands and, if it doesn't work, hoping for a hold can be plan B.

 

[badnews]

Either they feel that way or have already surrendered during the week.

Well McVay could probably try shaking something up.... 6 in a row to our biggest rival suggests somethings wrong with the status quo

 

[MachS]

Why is the best man corner in football cheating off his man to make a play underneath that's already covered.

Why are we making excuses for a guy the Rams gave up two first rounders for and paid a lot of money?

After this year when Morris is gone you'll have your answer. Inexcusable scheme and playcalling. How many times was Ramsey manned up on Deebo today? Not many.

 

[Giles]

Cut the bullshit man, you're a joke. If you want to take a shot at him have the balls to take a shot at him.

You're insinuating that he didn't do enough in this game to warrant the price tag we paid. When he literally just drove us down injured and threw a TD with 60secs left to win the game. On a day where the OL got dominated. When the running game was non existent.

This loss was on the defense. Dont blame Stafford for not going down the field twice in one minute while the defense does nothing.

Lol you know you don't have a argument when you gotta stoop to personal attacks.

 

[Ellard80]

If it's Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes or Brady under center, 99% of coaches try for the 1st down.

Sure, you can say Jimmy G isn't any of those guys. But for the last 30 minutes, he had been. Some guys just "have it" certain times, and Jimmy had it the whole 2nd half. You go for the win.

McVay went for the "not lose". Just like how he capitulated at the end of regulation and didn't even try to get into FG range to win it in regulation. Sure, the odds of them getting the 35 yards on a toss were less than 50%, but whatever number less than 50 that was, it was more than the 0% chance he got by just letting the clock run with a timeout in his pocket and hope for a good coin toss. Long slant route towards the sidelines with 2 receivers that can absolutely outrun their defenders has a way better chance of success than walking off the field.

Like, everybody's just ignoring this end of regulation sequence when it was the most egregious of the day.

i didnt like not trying to score at the end of regulation - thats an entirely different convo.

im talking about punting the ball back to the 49ners with 1:24 left and 90 yards to go.

 

[rdlkgliders]

And the defense had made a stop to force a punt.

The Rams offense needed one first down.

Not giving up a long TD with little resistance would have worked too.
Definitely would have loved the first down

 

[Kupped]

Cut the bullshit man, you're a joke. If you want to take a shot at him have the balls to take a shot at him.

You're insinuating that he didn't do enough in this game to warrant the price tag we paid. When he literally just drove us down injured and threw a TD with 60secs left to win the game. On a day where the OL got dominated. When the running game was non existent.

This loss was on the defense. Dont blame Stafford for not going down the field twice in one minute while the defense does nothing.

There's no bullshit, dude. It's fucking football with a full team.

If you're going to invest that much in a QB, you think it's all hunky dory for him to throw that int?

I'm not insinuating it, I'm saying it. I want to see a guy they paid that much make plays there. Sorry if those expectations are too high.

If you'd read other stuff, you'd know that I think McVay's play calling and the defense at the end of the game, along with the oline all game.. are the reasons they lost.

There's a difference between.. "it's his fault" and "I expect more out of him there" to me.

 

[Giles]

Oh for fuck's sake. Let me put it in bigger letters so the people in the back can get it because it keeps getting said and some people still can't seem to let it get into the gray matter.


NINETY SECONDS AND NO TIMEOUTS DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHEN THE OTHER TEAM HAS SPENT THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF GAME TIME SHOVING THE FOOTBALL UP YOUR ASS AND MOVING IT AT WILL WITH COMPLETE IMPUNITY AT WHATEVER SPEED THEY WANTED.

Seriously, people need to SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE 90 SECONDS AND 90 YARDS. The entire 2nd half was a display that all bets were off and that they could absolutely not be given the ball UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. You don't trust your defense in any way shape or form after what you've just witnessed, especially since the only "stop" they got the whole 2nd half was the result of an unforced error by their opponent, nothing the team had done. There was literally ZERO indication the defense was going to be able to hold serve. None. Absolute absence of indication. The only logic behind it is "well, look at how many hashmarks are between here and the paint". So?

You try to keep the ball out of their hands and, if it doesn't work, hoping for a hold can be plan B.

Exactly

 

[Kupped]

yeah this is hindsight theater and you know it.

I don't think so.

But, if that's the way you feel, I get it.

 

[Kupped]

Not giving up a long TD with little resistance would have worked too.
Definitely would have loved the first down

Absolutely. The defense completely failed at the end.