The rage aimed at Cody Parkey is disgusting

[1maGoh]

It's only a 43 yard attempt. Look at its trajectory. It's a low kick!

I don't know man. Not every kicked is GZ, banging 59 years field goals 3/4 of the way up the posts. 43 yards is far-ish for some guys. Can't kick it high with the distance kind of far-ish.

Also, if it doesn't matter that the blocker got blown up, why is he on the field? Obviously it's ridiculous to not put him on the field, but he's there for a reason and he's being paid very well to not allow what he allowed to happen. Possibly more than the kicker. Too hold him blameless is... I don't have any good non-insulting sounding (I wouldn't insult you) words. It doesn't make sense to not hold a guy responsible for not doing his job.

 

[IE Rams]

He was responsible for putting half the points that game. Hope his confidence isn't shot because of that miss.

Can't imagine what Philly fans would do to Jake Elliott if he made that mistake

Philly fans might have been worse. When Mitch Williams blew the save against Toronto in the 93 World Series, he had multiple death threats, bricks through windows, home vandalized.

It may have not been that bad seeing how they just won a SB last year, but Philly fans can be violent assholes and I would bet 'something' would have happened to Elliot if he missed a game winner

 

[IE Rams]

So what if it was tipped. He should have kicked it with a higher arc to avoid a block of any kind. The kicker failed...!

And here I was all along thinking you were just being sarcastic.

 

[kurtfaulk]

You guys do realize that a World Cup player from Columbia was actually hunted down and killed (while taking out his trash at home) by his countrymen after accidently scoring an own goal, thereby eliminating his team?

Ya so i'm thinking a few Chicago fans speaking and tweeting "harshly" about thier kicker aint so bad in comparison.

Sorry but that's not true. He was at a club and got into an argument with a couple of Colombian mob guys. They pulled out a gun and shot him.

I highly recommend watching the documentary "the two Escobars".

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[Karate61]

I don't know man. Not every kicked is GZ, banging 59 years field goals 3/4 of the way up the posts. 43 yards is far-ish for some guys. Can't kick it high with the distance kind of far-ish.

Also, if it doesn't matter that the blocker got blown up, why is he on the field? Obviously it's ridiculous to not put him on the field, but he's there for a reason and he's being paid very well to not allow what he allowed to happen. Possibly more than the kicker. Too hold him blameless is... I don't have any good non-insulting sounding (I wouldn't insult you) words. It doesn't make sense to not hold a guy responsible for not doing his job.

And here I was all along thinking you were just being sarcastic.

Guys...I am not joking.

The "trajectory" of a fg kick has always been a factor. On shorter kicks, kickers will purposely kick the ball on a higher trajectory (or arc) to get the ball over the lineman. They sacrifice distance in doing this. As the kick gets longer and longer, they have to lower the trajectory in order to gain distance. When a kicker is going for say 55+, or 60 yards or more, it becomes an issue. The ball gets kicked more like a line drive lower to the ground.

Here's a couple of analogies:

Golfers; When they tee up a driver and bang it 300 yards, it travels like a bullet low to the ground. When they hit a 9 Iron 125 yards out, the ball flies up very high and lobs onto the green.

Ski Jumpers: It might not look like it on tv, but those guys are mostly zipping along about 5-10 yards in the air. They're like bullets with a low trajectory to extend distance.

In this case, Parkey hit a low trajectory from 43 yards out and allowed the 6'2" Hester a shot at getting a hand on it. In 2018, NFL kickers made 76% of their kicks from 40-49, or 3 out of 4. 43 yarders are probably higher than that.

For these reasons, and watching the replays, Parkey should get 100% of the blame for that missed kick...in my opinion!

 

[RamFan503]

Sorry but that's not true. He was at a club and got into an argument with a couple of Colombian mob guys. They pulled out a gun and shot him.

I highly recommend watching the documentary "the two Escobars".

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Of course there WAS that ref whose head was put on a pike. Man I hope NFL fans don’t go down THAT road. Makes turning over cars and death “threats” pale in comparison.

 

[LesBaker]

It may have not been that bad seeing how they just won a SB last year, but Philly fans can be violent assholes and I would bet 'something' would have happened to Elliot if he missed a game winner

Yeah it seems to be a handful of fans in some cities.

You don't hear about this from every fan base. Just some.

 

[RamFan503]

Guys...I am not joking.

The "trajectory" of a fg kick has always been a factor. On shorter kicks, kickers will purposely kick the ball on a higher trajectory (or arc) to get the ball over the lineman. They sacrifice distance in doing this. As the kick gets longer and longer, they have to lower the trajectory in order to gain distance. When a kicker is going for say 55+, or 60 yards or more, it becomes an issue. The ball gets kicked more like a line drive lower to the ground.

Here's a couple of analogies:

Golfers; When they tee up a driver and bang it 300 yards, it travels like a bullet low to the ground. When they hit a 9 Iron 125 yards out, the ball flies up very high and lobs onto the green.

Ski Jumpers: It might not look like it on tv, but those guys are mostly zipping along about 5-10 yards in the air. They're like bullets with a low trajectory to extend distance.

In this case, Parkey hit a low trajectory from 43 yards out and allowed the 6'2" Hester a shot at getting a hand on it. In 2018, NFL kickers made 76% of their kicks from 40-49, or 3 out of 4. 43 yarders are probably higher than that.

For these reasons, and watching the replays, Parkey should get 100% of the blame for that missed kick...in my opinion!

So? Are you going to be issuing him death threats? Are you saying there is no way a kicker should be playing if he made that mistake?

I don’t defend kickers much. They have one job. But if you think about it, they probably have the most pressure in the game when it comes to coming off the sideline and having to kick the game winner. A 40 + yard FG is anything but a given.


I can’t really think of a bigger hero to zero position on the team.

Still... the main point IMO is that fans need a reality check. A pig skin off the turf from 40 yards out with everything on the line, right after you made one before a TO was called, with the other team coming at you, and having to do it in motion within a couple seconds is no cake walk.

The position is not one people appreciate much. Hell... I’m guilty of that as well even though I used to be a kicker among other positions. Of course, in HS, it was always kinda considered a coin flip and kickers were rarely just kickers.

But miss one and you are the most hated person in the NFL. Just fucked up if you ask me.

 

[IBruce80]

...not to mention the play in Q1 where they didn't get the first down, or when the WR dropped the ball in Q2, or when the opposition completed that pass in Q3...I could go on and on. You get the point.
EVERY play counts in a game...not just the last one.
If the Bears would have been up by 30 points, that kick wouldn't have mattered. Why weren't they up by 30?
Because the rest of the team failed during the previous 59 minutes and 59 seconds.

Exactly.
In a team game, the kicker is often singled out.
However, i can see those arguing the point that it is the kickers job to kick field goals, that is his contribution to the team.
I cant understand only blaming him, and cant tolerate the hate.

 

[1maGoh]

Guys...I am not joking.

The "trajectory" of a fg kick has always been a factor. On shorter kicks, kickers will purposely kick the ball on a higher trajectory (or arc) to get the ball over the lineman. They sacrifice distance in doing this. As the kick gets longer and longer, they have to lower the trajectory in order to gain distance. When a kicker is going for say 55+, or 60 yards or more, it becomes an issue. The ball gets kicked more like a line drive lower to the ground.

Here's a couple of analogies:

Golfers; When they tee up a driver and bang it 300 yards, it travels like a bullet low to the ground. When they hit a 9 Iron 125 yards out, the ball flies up very high and lobs onto the green.

Ski Jumpers: It might not look like it on tv, but those guys are mostly zipping along about 5-10 yards in the air. They're like bullets with a low trajectory to extend distance.

In this case, Parkey hit a low trajectory from 43 yards out and allowed the 6'2" Hester a shot at getting a hand on it. In 2018, NFL kickers made 76% of their kicks from 40-49, or 3 out of 4. 43 yarders are probably higher than that.

For these reasons, and watching the replays, Parkey should get 100% of the blame for that missed kick...in my opinion!

I took a physics class. I understand angles and the parabolic arc of a football kick (not perfect, wind residence, etc). I'm saying that maybe at 43 yards he's not sure if he can kick a high arc far enough with enough accuracy and opted to go lower hoping that his lineman would do their jobs. One of those lineman failed which made his kick ineffective. If the lineman does his job, the angle/trajectory of the kick is irrelevant. If he kicks higher, maybe he doesn't make it. Who failed their job first?

We complain about defenses (not necessarily ours) where people try to compensate for other players too much, abandoning their gaps or responsibility. But that's essentially what you're asking him to do. Compensate for another player's failure before he knows that guy has failed (or as he's discovering the failure, which would probably also be bad for the kick).

I know that kickers do it on shorter kicks. 43 yards isn't a shorter kick. It's more like mid range, unless you're GZ.

 

[LesBaker]

Golfers; When they tee up a driver and bang it 300 yards, it travels like a bullet low to the ground.

Drives off the tee are as high as any shot, not low to the ground at all.

 

[Karate61]

Drives off the tee are as high as any shot, not low to the ground at all.

No they're not. Have you ever golfed? Each club has a higher slope, from the driver up to the sand wedge. Go out and swing a sand wedge...the ball will go up high and not far!

 

[Karate61]

So? Are you going to be issuing him death threats? Are you saying there is no way a kicker should be playing if he made that mistak

Why are you asking me if I'm going to be issuing death threats? That's now getting out of line. The extent of my comments have been exclusively limited to an opinion that it was 100% Parkey's fault the kick was missed. How do you make the jump that I now want some kicker from the Bears, who I could care less about, dead?

A pig skin off the turf from 40 yards out with everything on the line, right after you made one before a TO was called, with the other team coming at you, and having to do it in motion within a couple seconds is no cake walk.

That's all fine and dandy. I've never argued being a nfl field goal kicker was easy, just that this missed kicked by Parkey was his fault!

I'm saying that maybe at 43 yards he's not sure if he can kick a high arc far enough with enough accuracy

I agree with you here. On this kick in particular though, if you look at it, it's a low trajectory for a 43 yard mid range kick. If he used a higher trajectory, the lineman become irrelevant if they can't jump high enough to have a shot at blocking it in the first place. So, yeah, in this particular play, I feel the kicker is 100% at fault, having given Hester an opportunity that he shouldn't have had in the first place.

 

[1maGoh]

having given Hester an opportunity that he shouldn't have had in the first place.

Actually, the kick being "low" is the second thing that had to happen for him to block it. First the lineman had to get blown off the ball. Second the kick had to be low.

Just saying.

 

[Karate61]

Drives off the tee are as high as any shot, not low to the ground at all.

Here's a pic of golf balls in flight, to visualize how the height and arc of a ball in flight differs between the length of a shot:

 

[Karate61]

Actually, the kick being "low" is the second thing that had to happen for him to block it. First the lineman had to get blown off the ball. Second the kick had to be low.

Just saying.

No. You're saying, "which came 1st, the chicken or the egg!"

 

[1maGoh]

No. You're saying, "which came 1st, the chicken or the egg!"

No, I mean that if you watch the video, the lineman fails his block first. In our limited linear view of time, the losing of the block occurs prior to the kick in this time stream.

 

[Karate61]

No, I mean that if you watch the video, the lineman fails his block first. In our limited linear view of time, the losing of the block occurs prior to the kick in this time stream.

I got that, but was thinking it's a circular point to discuss.

And maybe, that's all the more reason he should of kicked it higher, if he saw his linemen getting blown up before he made the kick!

 

[…..]

Sorry but that's not true. He was at a club and got into an argument with a couple of Colombian mob guys. They pulled out a gun and shot him.

I highly recommend watching the documentary "the two Escobars".

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An argument over the own goal just 10 days earlier. That’s why he left the disco, and it carried into the parking lot.

Either way....I’m not a stickler for details. The point is still made.[/QUOTE]

 

[RamFan503]

Why are you asking me if I'm going to be issuing death threats? That's now getting out of line.

Dude. Of course I wasn’t thinking you were going to be issuing death threats. It was more saying, certainly you wouldn’t, as that would be ridiculous.

But certain idiot Bears fans apparently have. I’m not sure how you took it this way but I was pointing out that your point has merit, but you wouldn’t take it to that extent just because you deem it his fault.

Hell - I think I made it pretty clear that I agree that it was mostly the kicker’s fault. But the stupid fucks that give it that level of importance and would pull that, take it WAY too far.

Did the guy intentionally drive the ball low because he didn’t have the leg strength? Did he miss hit it? Did his team know he would be driving it low to get the distance? Was his lineman blown off the line not allowing him that lower trajectory he expected? Don’t know. But these dufuses taking it this far are just low lifes and need to find a hobby.