The official Aaron Donald holdout thread - #Questfor100

[blackbart]

Why? Teams take a week to plan for every opponent throughout the year.
And let's be honest. How do you gameplan for a team you haven't seen play yet?

That might be true week to week but I certainly hope they have had the season in mind, building week to week with a goal of peaking toward the last month of the season. Good teams don't just figure it out each week.

 

[Ram65]

The money is dwarfed by his next deal and the year towards FA isn't a loss.

Sure provided they reach an agreement, but if they don't then Donald is back to square one.

 

[blackbart]

When you consider how much money those players make for their organizations, is it really? How many people have paid for a shirt with 99 and the name Donald sewn on? How many butts go into seats to watch a future hall of gamer play? That's just talking sales, factor in impact during games and is it really too much? The NFL is a multi billion dollar company. They can pay the few player that make them money. Sure, when you compare it to the salary you or I make it seems like a lot, but nobody is watching me file paperwork or give presentations on TV.

Yes, it is ridiculous and obscene. If anyone in our society wants to look at the inequity of salaries professional sports and entertainers in general should be right at the top of those who need drastic cuts.

And fwiw I've put in over 40 years, been very successful and will never make that kind of jack so the argument about their careers being short is total bullshit to me.

 

[jrry32]

Sure provide they reach an agreement, but if they don't then Donald is back to square one.

Nah. The Rams will either pay him, or he'll hit FA. Losing a year doesn't affect him because he's not hitting FA until after his fifth season.

 

[jrry32]

Yes, it is ridiculous and obscene. If anyone in our society wants to look at the inequity of salaries professional sports and entertainers in general should be right at the top of those who need drastic cuts.

And fwiw I've put in over 40 years, been very successful and will never make that kind of jack so the argument about their careers being short is total bullcrap to me.

They're not getting those cuts because of supply and demand. Their skill-set is worth more than ours. You're simply more replaceable.

If you want to cut their salaries, stop following professional sports, and convince everyone you know to do the same. Do the same thing with entertainment. Otherwise, you're demanding they get paid less so billionaires can get paid more. Which is pretty petty.

 

[-X-]

That might be true week to week but I certainly hope they have had the season in mind, building week to week with a goal of peaking toward the last month of the season. Good teams don't just figure it out each week.

We might be talking about different things, because - yeah, they do. Each week is a different *game plan* based on what the team you're facing showed you on film from their last game. What good would it do for the Rams to have already game planned for the Cowboys next month?

 

[Classic Rams]

Welp, looks like the school girl will sit home and pout next weekend. Cut loose that agent already.... so misled.

 

[Prime Time]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/03/n...rock-osweiler-phillip-dorsett-jacoby-brissett

ALBERT BREER

Now that Le’Veon Bell reported to Steelers camp, there’s one big-name veteran left to report—Rams DL Aaron Donald. The problem? As I understand it, Donald wants to be the highest paid defensive player in football, and that’s not a crazy request. The real question here is what kind of giveback do the Rams get for doing the deal now?

He has the final year of his rookie deal, which will cost the team $1.802 million; his option year, at a rate of $6.892 million; plus they could franchise him at (probably) around $15 million (the 2017 DT number is $13.387 million) in 2019. That’s a three-year outlay of just under $24 million.

Von Miller, who played out his rookie deal, got $61 million over the first three years of his 2016 Denver blockbuster. Ndamukong Suh, who also finished out his first contract, will get $60 million over his first three years in Miami. So the disconnect here isn’t hard to get.

 

[FRO]

If neither side blink what's the end game? Do the Rams trade Donald? I don't believe they can get fair compensation for him, but if they're not willing to pay him top dollar, they might as well shop him. In my opinion the Rams have done a very poor job of retaining talent from the Fisher/Snead era.

 

[EasyE]

They're not getting those cuts because of supply and demand. Their skill-set is worth more than ours. You're simply more replaceable.

If you want to cut their salaries, stop following professional sports, and convince everyone you know to do the same. Do the same thing with entertainment. Otherwise, you're demanding they get paid less so billionaires can get paid more. Which is pretty petty.

this.... you get paid not for what you know or do, but what it costs to replace you...and how many people with your skill are lined up behind you.

 

[FRO]

They're not getting those cuts because of supply and demand. Their skill-set is worth more than ours. You're simply more replaceable.

If you want to cut their salaries, stop following professional sports, and convince everyone you know to do the same. Do the same thing with entertainment. Otherwise, you're demanding they get paid less so billionaires can get paid more. Which is pretty petty.

It is funny how the teams and the billionaire owners look like the victims to some fans in these contract disputes. 90% of us would want to sign for the most possible money if we were a pro athlete. Donald deserves to get paid and the Rams showed with the Austin signing they are willing to lock up guys well before their rookie deals are over.

 

[EasyE]

It is funny how the teams and the billionaire owners look like the victims to some fans in these contract disputes. 90% of us would want to sign for the most possible money if we were a pro athlete. Donald deserves to get paid and the Rams showed with the Austin signing they are willing to lock up guys well before their rookie deals are over.

the only thing is this is a team sport...there are only so many pieces of pie to go around due to cap...if u get more, there is less for everyone else to split...its a zero-sum deal...the more you take , the worse your chance for team success...u kinda get to choose ...personal success vs team success..."We Not Me"?.... i don't think so

 

[Debacled]

It is funny how the teams and the billionaire owners look like the victims to some fans in these contract disputes. 90% of us would want to sign for the most possible money if we were a pro athlete. Donald deserves to get paid and the Rams showed with the Austin signing they are willing to lock up guys well before their rookie deals are over.

Yes they extended Austin, but after his first 3 seasons. His 4th year he really only got about a 1m raise (not counting the signing bonus of course) and since he was a top 10 pick his 5th year option would have paid him 12.3m or so, just under the 14m he is getting. That said the money that Donald gets could reasonable double that figure per year. And that is not anywhere near doable for this season with the cap situation as is.

Its about millionaires arguing with billionaires. Hell 1/10th of the numbers they are talking about is more than what most of us will ever earn in a lifetime anyhow. We really shouldn't have a side with it as in who is right and who is wrong.

Bottom line is Donald is under contract for this year and next. And as has been noted above he can be franchised for less than what he wants for probably two years after that 5th year option (as they've done with Johnson who isn't the top player at his position). Is that good for player relations? Heck no, but they hold all the leverage.

 

[So Ram]

We might be talking about different things, because - yeah, they do. Each week is a different *game plan* based on what the team you're facing showed you on film from their last game. What good would it do for the Rams to have already game planned for the Cowboys next month?

You have scouts who do a good job of figuring teams tendencies . The Dallas thing isn't as important until you get closer to game week.

Sammy Watkins just said game planning is so much different than the preseason.
He knows his routes & has an idea of who maybe covering him in different situations.
McVay will try to pick up on a lot of different things. Some coaches are better than others. The Rams will keep on building to Sunday.

Wade likes to try to make the defense force formations.

 

[FRO]

the only thing is this is a team sport...there are only so many pieces of pie to go around due to cap...if u get more, there is less for everyone else to split...its a zero-sum deal...the more you take , the worse your chance for team success...u kinda get to choose ...personal success vs team success..."We Not Me"?.... i don't think so

Aaron Donald has been one of if not the best defensive players since being drafted and made realitvely very little money for his production during that period. What was the Ram's record during that period? The Dolphins with Suh and the Broncos with Miller were able to put winners on the field despite paying their guys big money. The best players in the league make the most money. If you want them on your team you have to pay the price. To expect Donald to accept any less is unfair.

 

[FRO]

Yes they extended Austin, but after his first 3 seasons. His 4th year he really only got about a 1m raise (not counting the signing bonus of course) and since he was a top 10 pick his 5th year option would have paid him 12.3m or so, just under the 14m he is getting. That said the money that Donald gets could reasonable double that figure per year. And that is not anywhere near doable for this season with the cap situation as is.

Its about millionaires arguing with billionaires. Hell 1/10th of the numbers they are talking about is more than what most of us will ever earn in a lifetime anyhow. We really shouldn't have a side with it as in who is right and who is wrong.

Bottom line is Donald is under contract for this year and next. And as has been noted above he can be franchised for less than what he wants for probably two years after that 5th year option (as they've done with Johnson who isn't the top player at his position). Is that good for player relations? Heck no, but they hold all the leverage.

I think the way the free agency is structured is exactly the reason Donald is taking his stand now. With the team's ability to franchise tag, Donald may not be able to see free agency until he is 30 and by then he could be not quite the same player he is now. What he and his agent are trying to do is force the team to pay him now so he won't get robbed of his opportunity to cash in during his prime. Him sitting out and missing games is the only way he can leverage himself.

 

[socalrams90]

So when is the ABSOLUTE deadline for him to play in week 1?

 

[UKram]

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade.

all those plus a 1st the year after... and ill piggyback carry Donald all the way to cleveland

 

[TexasRam]

ROD waiting for Donald like:

 

[den-the-coach]

Updated message for Donald's agent Todd France.