That Goff guy’s pretty good

[Cjcinec]

Cjcinec:
Terrific photo.

Ken Iman (#50), Joe Scibelli (#71), Tom Mack (#65) and Dick Bass (#22). And, when expanded, ... Bernie Casey (#85) on the far-left.

Love it!

Thanks. One of my favorite times as a Rams fan. Best looking uniform in football.

 

[jrry32]

I love Goff, but he just makes baffling decisions. He was playing like an elite QB in the first half and then completely fell apart in the rain because he was struggling to grip the ball. I don't know why he doesn't put gloves on in a situation like that.

 

[Aulac]

The two fumbles he had on monday is due to his small hand. I don't know if Daniel Jones has small hand as well but most of Goff's fumbles is due to his hand size. I also wonder if it because of his small hand that he shrink under pressure? Perhaps he fear that any hit to him will force a fumble? I notice every other QB's can hold onto the ball when they get hit because they can fully grasp the ball with one hand. The solution could be to wear gloves but wearing gloves is harder to throw the ball. It was mentioned yesterday that Goff stretchs his hand to 9 and 1/8 which is still 3/8 away from the average QB hand size.

What I don't get is how can a guy like Kyler Murray have a bigger hand than Jared Goff? Without all those fumbles, perhaps we would have won a SB with Jared Goff and perhaps he would be less afraid of pressure. How much better do you think Goff would be with a 9.5 or 10 size hand? Even if you could cut his fumbles by a half, I think we have a good chance at making it to the SB and perhaps winning one. I don't think he not careful with the football, I just think it really hard to hold onto the ball with such small hand size.

I know a fumble is a fumble but this is due to something he can't control which is still frustrating nonetheless.

Does anyone have a side to side comparison of Brady to Goff hand holding the football?

 

[Angry Ram]

I’m sorry, but deciding that Goff’s turnovers are everyone else’s fault ignores the decisions he makes and the throws he makes and his poor ball security. He lead the NFL and wasn’t close to the highest pressured QB in the league.

Yup. It's so weird to me that "he needs" all these parameters to validate that he's a good QB.

He needs time.

He needs all pro receivers.

He needs a running game.

He needs a good defense.

He needs a flawless center.

He needs no pressure from the opposing defense.

He needs to have opposing corners give a 10 yard cushion.

He needs good weather conditions.

He needs Jupiter and Mars to align.

He needs the moon to be only half full for his half field reads.

The needs the tides to recede.

Ok I'll stop, but still. If one has to have EVERYTHING to be perfect in order to be good, he probably isn't that good to begin with. No QB will receive perfect surroundings all the time every week, yet a lot of them succeed and get better. Jared is stagnant and prone to TOs even with good surroundings.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Yup. It's so weird to me that "he needs" all these parameters to validate that he's a good QB.

He needs time.

He needs all pro receivers.

He needs a running game.

He needs a good defense.

He needs a flawless center.

He needs no pressure from the opposing defense.

He needs to have opposing corners give a 10 yard cushion.

He needs good weather conditions.

He needs Jupiter and Mars to align.

He needs the moon to be only half full for his half field reads.

The needs the tides to recede.

Ok I'll stop, but still. If one has to have EVERYTHING to be perfect in order to be good, he probably isn't that good to begin with. No QB will receive perfect surroundings all the time every week, yet a lot of them succeed and get better. Jared is stagnant and prone to TOs even with good surroundings.

You forgot to also mention he wants the sun to rise in the West, and set in the East.

 

[Loyal]

Ouch!


View: https://twitter.com/Tayinho/status/1440472450458783746?s=20

 

[Karate61]

1st Half: It Ain't Over

2nd Half: Till It's Over

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The majority of Goff's turnovers last two years was and I hate to keep harping on him - Blythe's guy putting pressure on Goff

Look at each turnover - Goff is pressured on almost every one.

Yes - Goff isn't the best under pressure but give him time like Stafford has in his two games with the Rams and Goff does an above average job. Definitely not as good as Stafford but still good enough to win those two games.

But the games would probably be closer and giving each of us a heart attack lol

And again - on the game last night - Goff drops wet footballs and Rodgers doesn't. It is just a good thing Goff plays in Detroit with a dome or he would be screwed playing in either Green Bay or Chicago

But I want to stress - I am glad we moved on with Stafford because although I think Goff could have eventually lead us to another Super Bowl with a better center, I am a lot more confident that Stafford will lead us to a Super Bowl.

What NFL QB never gets blitzed or pressured? Being able to execute under pressure is a key part of the job description.

 

[Tano]

What NFL QB never gets blitzed or pressured? Being able to execute under pressure is a key part of the job description.

I should have said - Goff was pressured a lot last year - 20% last year vs 6% this year for Stafford

Cut those pressures in half and Goff would have been a much better QB.

Plus the majority of those pressure were inside pressures.

Goff seems to do okay with outside pressures where he can step up but last year the majority of them came from the inside because of Blythe doing his ole job. And I have stated many many many times that Goff sucks on inside pressures.

Give him an "above average" (not all pro) center and he will do well (except when it is cold or rains)

Jrry hit this on the nutshell - he should be wearing gloves in that weather. I have no clue why he doesn't.

 

[Tano]

Yup. It's so weird to me that "he needs" all these parameters to validate that he's a good QB.

He needs time.

He needs all pro receivers.

He needs a running game.

He needs a good defense.

He needs a flawless center.

He needs no pressure from the opposing defense.

He needs to have opposing corners give a 10 yard cushion.

He needs good weather conditions.

He needs Jupiter and Mars to align.

He needs the moon to be only half full for his half field reads.

The needs the tides to recede.

Ok I'll stop, but still. If one has to have EVERYTHING to be perfect in order to be good, he probably isn't that good to begin with. No QB will receive perfect surroundings all the time every week, yet a lot of them succeed and get better. Jared is stagnant and prone to TOs even with good surroundings.

I disagree with pretty much everything you stated here (I know some are sarcastic).

He needs an above average center and decent receivers.

Every QB could use a decent running game.

And every QB could use a decent defense (look at Stafford's win/loss with Detroit as an example).

As to the no pressure - I only state that 1 out of every 5 plays with pressure up the middle is too much.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I should have said - Goff was pressured a lot last year - 20% last year vs 6% this year for Stafford

Cut those pressures in half and Goff would have been a much better QB.

Plus the majority of those pressure were inside pressures.

Goff seems to do okay with outside pressures where he can step up but last year the majority of them came from the inside because of Blythe doing his ole job. And I have stated many many many times that Goff sucks on inside pressures.

Give him an "above average" (not all pro) center and he will do well (except when it is cold or rains)

Jrry hit this on the nutshell - he should be wearing gloves in that weather. I have no clue why he doesn't.

He has a very good center now. His entire line is very good. Same result with pressure or the pressure of needing to make a fourth down play.

 

[NJRamsFan]

I should have said - Goff was pressured a lot last year - 20% last year vs 6% this year for Stafford

Cut those pressures in half and Goff would have been a much better QB.

Plus the majority of those pressure were inside pressures.

Goff seems to do okay with outside pressures where he can step up but last year the majority of them came from the inside because of Blythe doing his ole job. And I have stated many many many times that Goff sucks on inside pressures.

Give him an "above average" (not all pro) center and he will do well (except when it is cold or rains)

Jrry hit this on the nutshell - he should be wearing gloves in that weather. I have no clue why he doesn't.

You gotta let it go dude

 

[Tano]

He has a very good center now. His entire line is very good. Same result with pressure or the pressure of needing to make a fourth down play.

And I don't understand this statement at all.

He played well except when it rained. And then he fell apart.

None of those fumbles were due to pressure.

However, I did not see the 4th and 1 at the 25 in the first series of the second half. Was that one due to pressure or just a bad play?

The interception was him trying to do too much down 35 - 18

I have seen that ALL THE TIME when QBs are down by that much late in the 4th qtr.

Even if he makes that throw - the Lions lose that game

I doubt they would be able to get an onside kick and a fumble like they did against the 49ers the week before

 

[Tano]

You gotta let it go dude

Yeah probably. But damn - people like to put down Goff all the time and I wish they would let it go as well.

If people would stop putting down Goff, I will stop backing Goff.

As I stated many times, I am all in on Stafford.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

And I don't understand this statement at all.

He played well except when it rained. And then he fell apart.

None of those fumbles were due to pressure.

However, I did not see the 4th and 1 at the 25 in the first series of the second half. Was that one due to pressure or just a bad play?

The interception was him trying to do too much down 35 - 18

I have seen that ALL THE TIME when QBs are down by that much late in the 4th qtr.

Even if he makes that throw - the Lions lose that game

I doubt they would be able to get an onside kick and a fumble like they did against the 49ers the week before

Trying to do too much is a nice way of saying, he didn’t do enough.

He locked onto his first read despite having two other guys open with more separation.

I’ve seen Goff fumble without it raining. You make it sound like it is something new. Goff’s fumbling and bad decisions under pressure are a major reason that he was traded.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Yeah probably. But damn - people like to put down Goff all the time and I wish they would let it go as well.

If people would stop putting down Goff, I will stop backing Goff.

As I stated many times, I am all in on Stafford.

Some think Goff is worse than he is, some think he’s better. Some overstate his flaws some understate them. It’s really all irrelevant and the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Doesn’t really matter.

All that being said I don’t get why it continues to bother you so much re: Goff. Players get unfair shakes all the time in every sport I don’t know why you feel you are his personal defender responsible for ensuring the standing of his name whenever it is addressed. Sure at first its difficult because of emotional ties to players and the lines that were drawn, but its been too long to still be such a staunch defender of another teams qb.

Most of these guys are beating their chests because they feel validated so far in their stances on the JG debates and that’s why at every opportunity JG will continue to be trashed for the foreseeable future. It’s no different than the people that supported Goff over Wentz propping up JG’s accomplishments and highlighting Wentz failures. Its what a lot of fans do…Human nature I suppose.That’s a reflection of them. The thing is though, no one is going to stop because you defended them out of their position. They’ll stop when the “opposing side” doesn’t care anymore so there’s nothing to prop themselves up on. Hear anyone talking about Suh over Bradford anymore? Or the fact that Wentz is on the sideline and Goff is still plugging away?

Just take it easy man There’s nothing more to be gained or lost on either side, we‘re 2-0 and life is good as a Rams fan.

 

[Tano]

That is very true

 

[Tano]

Trying to do too much is a nice way of saying, he didn’t do enough.

He locked onto his first read despite having two other guys open with more separation.

I’ve seen Goff fumble without it raining. You make it sound like it is something new. Goff’s fumbling and bad decisions under pressure are a major reason that he was traded.

I have never seen him just drop the ball without being hit. Not once.

But that is the last thing I will state on this matter.

I am going to do what NJRamsFan says and just stay out of Goff discussions from now on because he is a Detroit Lion now and it really doesn't matter what Goff does in the future except against us.

 

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Six new pages of Goff discussion.

We just cat help it lol

 

[Tano]

Well it was the Detroit Lions vs Green Bay page

It just went longer than normal