Tegray Scales

[Ram65]

Not sure you could say Tree got better. He started the first five games on fire but didn’t finish the season well after signing his extension.

I hear you. I was referring to Barron and Tree in coverage. I focused early on how they were covering and they were getting in each others way as players crossed the field. It was more how they were having trouble working the new defensive scheme. They did get better picking up their assignment faster and staying closer to their man. Now, if you recall the missed high tackle on Zeke Elliott around the 5 yard line. Tree was in position to make the play but, went high, missed the tackle and allow an easy TD. His coverage was better but, his tackling was poor. Then the elbow injury took a lot away from Tree. Barron did get much better in coverage and making the tackles. The main point here is that in Wade's system the ILBers have to be able to cover mostly man to man which will be a big part of who sees the field.

 

[Mackeyser]

40 Yard Dash; 4.77 SECONDS
Not the fastest out there! Shaquem Griffin blew away all LBs with 4.38.

Vontaze Burfict...not my favorite human by any stretch...ran a 5+ second 40 and either made the Pro Bowl or was close. He definitely is a starting caliber player and maybe Pro Bowl caliber.

A guy with great instincts can overcome 40 times.

Ogletree was almost the Flash... and he stunk in Run D. It's not about 40 times.

 

[Karate61]

Vontaze Burfict...not my favorite human by any stretch...ran a 5+ second 40 and either made the Pro Bowl or was close. He definitely is a starting caliber player and maybe Pro Bowl caliber.

A guy with great instincts can overcome 40 times.

Ogletree was almost the Flash... and he stunk in Run D. It's not about 40 times.

No. I actually like Burfict the player. I like players with a bit of a screw loose..lol. Someone earlier mentioned speed, so I looked up and posted his 40 time, that's when I noticed Griffin's...hard not to notice that time!

 

[bwdenverram]

I didn't know much about this guy so I watched some tape on him. This game being against Ohio St. I have to say, I hope this is just one game because outside of a few plays he doesn't stand out that much. I just don't watch this and say, yeah, he could replace Barron. Is there other video that he looks as good as everyone in this thread is saying?

 

[TheTackle]

He was on my radar, because of his ability to take on blocks, shed and locate the ball carrier. After reading this article, he looks like a shoe-in to make the roster as a special teams ace, with a solid chance to start at some point in the future... I am looking forward to seeing what we have in camp

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NFL.com’s draft profile of Scales has a lot of info about the linebacker, including his rating of 5.63, which labels him as having a chance to be an NFL starter.

Analyst Lance Zierlein noted some of his strengths as his instincts and his sense of play direction along with his vocal leadership, intelligence and cover skills could help him as an eventual NFL starter inside.

That being said, Zierlein also notes his weaknesses as his lack of size and speed but said his playmaking ability can shine through.

https://www.landof10.com/indiana/tegray-scales-indiana-football-news-stats-2018-nfl-draft

 

[Merlin]

I didn't know much about this guy so I watched some tape on him. This game being against Ohio St. I have to say, I hope this is just one game because outside of a few plays he doesn't stand out that much. I just don't watch this and say, yeah, he could replace Barron. Is there other video that he looks as good as everyone in this thread is saying?

I think with the late-round guys you're looking for traits, the players around them, etc. Also for LB stuff like are his linemen getting trucked with OL getting second level consistently, which also matters. Some of these schools vs a major program you're going to see tape like that, where it's damn ugly. Does the guy quit? Does he keep fighting and make a play here and there?

Question is the projection side of things. If you put him in with our linemen and defense around him can he run and make plays. Can he hold up to a run game being funneled to him and fill his gap with consistency, etc. I think it's an impossible thing to know, which is why he went where he went, but then again guys prove they can step up to this level from late round and UDFA ranks every year.

Go back and look at the college tape of some of Wade's former ILBs who had success. Not all of them were superstars or in loaded defenses. IMO it's gonna be open season and all these players will have a shot.

Oh and lastly the guys with speed/range do have a nice advantage for special teams. And that really matters come time to make the last few roster decisions.

 

[bwdenverram]

I think with the late-round guys you're looking for traits, the players around them, etc. Also for LB stuff like are his linemen getting trucked with OL getting second level consistently, which also matters. Some of these schools vs a major program you're going to see tape like that, where it's damn ugly. Does the guy quit? Does he keep fighting and make a play here and there?

Question is the projection side of things. If you put him in with our linemen and defense around him can he run and make plays. Can he hold up to a run game being funneled to him and fill his gap with consistency, etc. I think it's an impossible thing to know, which is why he went where he went, but then again guys prove they can step up to this level from late round and UDFA ranks every year.

Go back and look at the college tape of some of Wade's former ILBs who had success. Not all of them were superstars or in loaded defenses. IMO it's gonna be open season and all these players will have a shot.

Oh and lastly the guys with speed/range do have a nice advantage for special teams. And that really matters come time to make the last few roster decisions.

Very good points man. And I agree it could be the talent around wasn't that great. I'm sure playing in front of a D-line like ours and a secondary like ours will make his job that much easier.
And I wasn't beating him up, just stating based on one video I wasn't seeing this stud LB. Doesn't mean he isn't one or couldn't be one in the right system or talent around him. Which of course we all hope happens.

 

[Corbin]

I didn't know much about this guy so I watched some tape on him. This game being against Ohio St. I have to say, I hope this is just one game because outside of a few plays he doesn't stand out that much. I just don't watch this and say, yeah, he could replace Barron. Is there other video that he looks as good as everyone in this thread is saying?

Honestly I don't know dick about him and this video isn't that great for him but that is OSU and one game so I'm not sure. I'll just wait until the off season activities kick off for me to get an idea about him on the field. Going to be interesting this year with the amount of guys we have on the roster now and the few holes on D we have competition for!

 

[ReddingRam]

I'm sorry, but if he's so talented why wasn't he drafted? Now I know that there are a lot of players in the NFL that went undrafted, but usually none of us knew before hand which UDFA players would be good enough for a spot on a 53 man roster. That is why I can't put faith in someone who went undrafted over someone who has already proven themselves. Maybe you're right, and Scales could be special, but he's going to have to prove it to me first before I'll believe it. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

Why was Kurt Warner not drafted? Why was Rodney McCleod not drafted? Why was London Fletcher not drafted? Being drafted or draft position does not = a successful player

 

[ReekofRams]

Why was Kurt Warner not drafted? Why was Rodney McCleod not drafted? Why was London Fletcher not drafted? Being drafted or draft position does not = a successful player

I'm not saying an UDFA can't be better than someone who is drafted. What I am saying though, is that it's unwise to say that an UDFA is going to supplant an established player like Barron. Even Warner didn't beat out Trent Green, as it took Green getting injured for that to happen. Maybe Scales eventually does end up playing in the position Barron now plays, but I think it's ludicrous to say Scales will take his position this coming season; especially since Wade and McVay have made it obvious that Mark is their guy.

 

[DaveFan'51]

@0 Days until OTA's and we get a chance to really see all these New Ram Players!!

 

[So Ram]

40 Yard Dash; 4.77 SECONDS
Not the fastest out there! Shaquem Griffin blew away all LBs with 4.38.

You have to hand it to griffin

 

[So Ram]

i'm pretty sure ayers played a year for the rams before they cut him. the argument was the rams wouldn't cut a player they just signed.

however after seeing how little is guaranteed to wilson there's no monetary value making the rams think twice about releasing him.

lbers gonna have to train the house down and play well to make the cut this year for the rams.

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It’s a double edge sword . Aykers a contract salary cut. He also didn’t play special teams.

 

[So Ram]

You're entitled to your opinion, but you gotta keep in mind that people who have watched the guy play are generally not going to put a lot of credibility in the statement "but he went undrafted." I doubt Scales starts in 2018 unless we have a lot of injuries, but he does have the talent to compete for a starting job down the line.

Will see !! JBog thinks the same. He had him rated higher than any Ram drafted.

I don’t see him being that good!! The Penn St. Game was not impressive at all.

 

[Memento]

Will see !! JBog thinks the same. He had him rated higher than any Ram drafted.

I don’t see him being that good!! The Penn St. Game was not impressive at all.

Check out the Ohio State 2016 game. Scales is literally everywhere the ball goes, and he makes at least ten tackles.

 

[André]

Never mind.

 

[AvengerRam]

Kiser is the true steal. He will have 120+ tackle this year.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I’ll weigh in on Scales after final cuts. That way I won’t be wrong.

 

[LACHAMP46]

but didn’t finish the season well after signing his extension.

Then the elbow injury took a lot away from Tree.

I think Tree's elbow killed his first season as a 3/4 lb....and I still don't know why they just didn't throw Hager or Littleton in the games for him....it would have prepared them for the playoffs had they/one of them played a lot more....could have possibly changed the outcome...oh well
I see Hager/Littleton as the first guys to get cut if ANY rookie(s) perform admirably...
I like Carlos Thompson still too...but he'll probably move to OLB exclusively....

Vontaze Burfict...not my favorite human by any stretch...ran a 5+ second 40 and either made the Pro Bowl or was close. He definitely is a starting caliber player and maybe Pro Bowl caliber.

A guy with great instincts can overcome 40 times.

Ogletree was almost the Flash... and he stunk in Run D. It's not about 40 times.

ahhh Mac....
Burfict grew up around my neighbor....then was moved to Riverside to stay outta trouble....played at ASU and was a demon.....very good college player....I believe he didn't train for the combine in hopes of being drafted by a better team....He found a great fit in Cinnci....

I'd guess he's really a 4.7 guy....with proper training....and

I'll agree, great instincts can partially make up for a lack of speed....great speed without instincts can have you going in the wrong way....faster....LOL

Again.....yall are rough on Tree...Think we play the Giants...I expect him to be all over the field...if healthy...he is a serious player...one of our best over the last 3 seasons.