Tavon Austin in Dallas

[RamFan503]

The guys who drafts players is the same guy who traded up to drafted Austin. Snead.
--LesBaker

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[Elmgrovegnome]

Just an FYI..........

McVay doesn't draft players.

The guys who drafts players is the same guy who traded up to drafted Austin. Snead.

Sorry to break that to ya.

But Fisher had control. Snead didn’t trump Fisher unless Jeff gave in. Fisher gushed about Tavon’s private workout before the draft. He loved him. Fisher hired Snead. No way Snead made those decisions on his own.

I doubt Tavon was all on Sneed .
I’m not saying he had nothing to do with it but I doubt it was all him. Fisher Implied he had full control personnel wise or at least final say.

It was Fisher. And I’d bet that after Snead convinced Fisher that Bobby Wagner would be available later in round 2, that Fisher felt the need to not let Snead make the final decision on a player that he covets.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Tavon needs to watch Tyreek Hill and learn from him if he wants to continue his NFL career. Hill is what Tavon should have been with the Rams.

Tavon can’t do what hill can.

 

[LesBaker]

Fisher gushed about Tavon’s private workout before the draft. He loved him.

So did Snead, they both were gaga over his workout.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So did Snead, they both were gaga over his workout.

Maybe I misunderstood what you said. You implied that Snead does the drafting right? Makes the picks? I don't think he had as much say with Fisher. Plus these days the coaches tell the GM what they want in a player and then he and his scouts find it. So, did Snead get Fisher what he wanted? Or Schottenheimer, who wanted to install a spread offense in the coming season? I think it is likely.

After observing the last two drafts it seems that other than their first pick, Everrett, the selections seem to have a different emphasis than with Fisher.

 

[Ram_Fan]

Cook is what we wished Tavon would have been for us.. .

 

[LesBaker]

Maybe I misunderstood what you said. You implied that Snead does the drafting right? Makes the picks? I don't think he had as much say with Fisher. Plus these days the coaches tell the GM what they want in a player and then he and his scouts find it. So, did Snead get Fisher what he wanted? Or Schottenheimer, who wanted to install a spread offense in the coming season? I think it is likely.

After observing the last two drafts it seems that other than their first pick, Everrett, the selections seem to have a different emphasis than with Fisher.

For sure Fisher had final word. I was just trying to make the point that Snead was just as high on Austin.

I was trying to get sjm to see that.

I believe that it was Snead who was telling people at the workout not to show how excited they were because evidently he killed it at that pro day

 

[dieterbrock]

For sure Fisher had final word. I was just trying to make the point that Snead was just as high on Austin.

I was trying to get sjm to see that.

I believe that it was Snead who was telling people at the workout not to show how excited they were because evidently he killed it at that pro day

Tavon showed plenty of flashes early on in his career where you could see the potential he could bring. He was a true weapon in an offense that had no artillery. Shame he didn't progress, but not sure how he could have. I imagine if he would have been brought as a wide eyed rookie in to a current Rams structure, or even the Cowboys, his career might have gone a different way.

 

[LesBaker]

I think you are right @dieterbrock

 

[Zaphod]

I've always suspected Shottenheimer may have been a factor with drafting Tavon.

To Fish-or cut bait was a different issue entirely and I believe applied to the organization holistically.

 

[ReekofRams]

Hey, I've got a grand idea! If Pharoh is hurt, leaving the Rams in need of a return specialist, why not trade for Tavon?

 

[Rmfnlt]

Bad old Linny gets to try find ways for Tavon to make plays.

Linament may be worse than Boras! The DAL offense sucked in game one and will continue to suck. They are the 2016 Rams offense.

Tavon requires a certain kind of offense to be involved. McVay knows he has bigger vision than to be a Tavon Offense.

Yup... I trust McVay's knowledge of how to build a good offensive roster. The fact that Austin is no longer on it says all I need to know about Austin's ability to produce in an effective offense. So, he ends up in DAL, where their offense is - just like the 2016 Rams - ineffective and one-dimensional.

but the idea that he’s in a better spot due to some kind of offensive brilliance, just doesn’t hold water.

No, the water is going through a sieve on this one. I have to hear Cowgirls 24/7... anyone in the local media that is objective knows they are not a good offense. Period. I don't wish him to fail...but one of the worst places he could have landed was DAL. If he was ever going to really be productive, it would have been last year...in an offense with coaches that have the ability to bring out his best. Apparently, he didn't want to play his best. Now, he's in a big mess.

with the cowboys he will receive alot more looks because they don't have much at wr

They don't have anything at WR... this much most everyone in DAL can agree.Oh, and that includes Austin.

“I was told that there wasn’t going to be any issues – they were going to be re-signed – and we lost them,” Fisher said. “Janoris got votes for Defensive Player of the Year. That side of it – it doesn’t fall into my lap. … Because of the move, in retrospect and everything, things just got a little out of perspective, and we lost two really good football players.”

Anyone is free to believe anything that ever came out of Fisher's mouth. Me? I never believed a word. He was a pathological liar.

Jeff fisher drafting philosophy - explosive, raw,athletic, low IQ football players.

Yup... if they couldn't spell Wonderlic, he drafted them!

He was a true weapon in an offense that had no artillery.

And there is no artillery in DAL now. A beat up Oline, no WR's that can separate (sound familiar?). They'll have to run Elliott until he drops (sound familiar?). I'm telling ya... the 2018/19 DAL offense is eerily similar to the 2015/16 Rams offense. Expect similar results.

 

[OldSchool]

Fisher did, but I'm sure if Snead had said "we don't want that guy he isn't going to work out" or something like that then Fisher wouldn't have told Snead to go get Austin.

They traded up for him, so there was no doubt they both wanted that guy.

So the guy who had total roster control would have backed down from a player he coveted because his subordinate suggested so? Sorry nothing in that sounds like the Jeff Fisher we came to know.

 

[LesBaker]

So the guy who had total roster control would have backed down from a player he coveted because his subordinate suggested so? Sorry nothing in that sounds like the Jeff Fisher we came to know.

I think that if Snead said "stay away from this guy" that yeah Fisher may have done that. Remember Snead wanted him big time too. This wasn't a case of Fisher being thumbs up and Snead being thumbs down.

This was on both of them IMO.

And while I agree Fisher had a blind spot for his own abilities and shortcomings, I think had Snead told him to stay away he probably would have because Snead had already shown that he was a hard worker and knew what was what.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I believe that it was Snead who was telling people at the workout not to show how excited they were because evidently he killed it at that pro day

I'm pretty sure that was when the qbs were throwing the ball to Bailey. Didn't want to give away that they liked him and were going to draft him.

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[OldSchool]

I think that if Snead said "stay away from this guy" that yeah Fisher may have done that. Remember Snead wanted him big time too. This wasn't a case of Fisher being thumbs up and Snead being thumbs down.

This was on both of them IMO.

And while I agree Fisher had a blind spot for his own abilities and shortcomings, I think had Snead told him to stay away he probably would have because Snead had already shown that he was a hard worker and knew what was what.

Sorry sounds like a pipe dream. Nothing we saw from Fisher made him seem reasonable or that he was open to others suggestions. He ran this team the way he wanted to.

 

[Jacobarch]

Why are we talking about Tavon? You guys bored?

 

[RamFan503]

Why are we talking about Tavon? You guys bored?

No vent thread.

 

[sjm1582002]

For sure Fisher had final word. I was just trying to make the point that Snead was just as high on Austin.

I was trying to get sjm to see that.

I believe that it was Snead who was telling people at the workout not to show how excited they were because evidently he killed it at that pro day

I see just fine and what I saw was you saying it was Snead who traded up to draft Austin.

I have always been of the opinion that Fisher ran personnel and made all the big calls, not Snead.

Which was one of the reasons Fisher finally, and mercifully, got fired while Snead was retained.

 

[LesBaker]

I'm pretty sure that was when the qbs were throwing the ball to Bailey. Didn't want to give away that they liked him and were going to draft him.

I think it was when Austin was catching passes, but we can find out on the webernet.

Sorry sounds like a pipe dream. Nothing we saw from Fisher made him seem reasonable or that he was open to others suggestions. He ran this team the way he wanted to.

Who knows.

I see just fine and what I saw was you saying it was Snead who traded up to draft Austin.

I have always been of the opinion that Fisher ran personnel and made all the big calls, not Snead.

Which was one of the reasons Fisher finally, and mercifully, got fired while Snead was retained.

Snead did do the deal to trade up and get Austin. They both liked him and thought he would be a great addition. So Snead WANTED what you call a "simpleminded goofball". He was on board with doing it, he's not perfect and wanted the guy enough to trade up for him to make sure they got him.

Snead did not have job security when Fisher was let go, and Demoff even alluded to that. They decided to keep him, but it was not a sure thing after the season ended.

McVay may talk with Snead about what he wants, and that happens in every organization, and what position they need to bolster. But McVay isn't watching tape and Snead is. McVay isn't doing the work to find players, Snead does that.