Stafford Talk

[pvtdragon39]

Stafford is done because even if the Rams remake the line to be great, and retool the defense to be great, and get a great running back, Stafford is one hit away from being on the bench and game over.

I mean thats every QB in the league. Look how many went down already in first half of the season without being hit!

 

[CGI_Ram]

I mean thats every QB in the league. Look how many went down already in first half of the season without being hit!

Analysis: NFL can't protect QBs from freak injuries like noncontact Achilles tears

The NFL has done everything it can to protect quarterbacks short of putting a flag on them. Can’t hit them high. Can’t hit them low. Can’t touch them too late.

apnews.com

Injuries are piling up for quarterbacks across the league.

Matthew Stafford, Tyrod Taylor, Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ridder couldn’t finish their games Sunday. Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Justin Fields and Ryan Tannehill were among the other starting QBs who didn’t play in Week 8 because of injuries.

 

[Tumak61]

Analysis: NFL can't protect QBs from freak injuries like noncontact Achilles tears

The NFL has done everything it can to protect quarterbacks short of putting a flag on them. Can’t hit them high. Can’t hit them low. Can’t touch them too late.

apnews.com

Injuries are piling up for quarterbacks across the league.

Matthew Stafford, Tyrod Taylor, Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ridder couldn’t finish their games Sunday. Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Justin Fields and Ryan Tannehill were among the other starting QBs who didn’t play in Week 8 because of injuries.

So true, and McVay's backup plan is, WOLFORD? Time for a facepalm or something. I get the Bennett situation, but then you just do nothing?

 

[pvtdragon39]

Analysis: NFL can't protect QBs from freak injuries like noncontact Achilles tears

The NFL has done everything it can to protect quarterbacks short of putting a flag on them. Can’t hit them high. Can’t hit them low. Can’t touch them too late.

apnews.com

Injuries are piling up for quarterbacks across the league.

Matthew Stafford, Tyrod Taylor, Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ridder couldn’t finish their games Sunday. Deshaun Watson, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Justin Fields and Ryan Tannehill were among the other starting QBs who didn’t play in Week 8 because of injuries.

I think what teams need to do is have 2-3 QBs( most teams already Do) and let them in and rotate them. Think Pitchers in MLB.

Like us for example We have Staff, Brett Rypien, Bennett, Wolford

I would have Matty as starter and rid of rypien and sign Wentz on a prove it deal.

That way we go into games having two starters( maybe 1.5 lol) and Rotate Stafford and Wentz. If stafford is not dealing at all, try wentz. If he can get something going Keep him in. This would limit any one QB on the field at once. Also get them reps to keep them fresh, and not rusty. Now say we had Wentz, we would go into the game with Wentz as starter, and Wolf as fill in with staff out/Questionable. if they make a boneheaded plays, replace them and hold them accountable. Seems like QBS are trying too much themselves and getting hurt for it.

Give 2nd string at least 1 quarter/GM, 3rd string comes in if one of the two go down but can come back in fast, like stafford this past week, down by lot, or up by a lot. dont risk your duo in garbage time. The NFL has changed this in 2011 to allow this with 3rd stringers.

So for instance stafford got knocked around in the 2nd quarter, but we were up/down by 20 we can have wentz come in for rest of 2nd/ 3 quarters til stafford can come back in 4th. If stafford cannot go in but Wentz needs a bit of rest after those 2 quarters, you can throw in Wolf, until Wentz is ready to go back.

Now if Stafford Comes back in the 2nd quarter, but needed to get tape fixed or something, have to put Wolf in to have stafford be eligible to return that quarter.

If Stafford is replaced with Wentz, hes not elgible to come back until 4th quarter.

 

[madrid311]

I think what teams need to do is have 2-3 QBs( most teams already Do) and let them in and rotate them. Think Pitchers in MLB.

Like us for example We have Staff, Brett Rypien, Bennett, Wolford

I would have Matty as starter and rid of rypien and sign Wentz on a prove it deal.

That way we go into games having two starters( maybe 1.5 lol) and Rotate Stafford and Wentz. If stafford is not dealing at all, try wentz. If he can get something going Keep him in. This would limit any one QB on the field at once. Also get them reps to keep them fresh, and not rusty. Now say we had Wentz, we would go into the game with Wentz as starter, and Wolf as fill in with staff out/Questionable. if they make a boneheaded plays, replace them and hold them accountable. Seems like QBS are trying too much themselves and getting hurt for it.

Give 2nd string at least 1 quarter/GM, 3rd string comes in if one of the two go down but can come back in fast, like stafford this past week, down by lot, or up by a lot. dont risk your duo in garbage time. The NFL has changed this in 2011 to allow this with 3rd stringers.

So for instance stafford got knocked around in the 2nd quarter, but we were up/down by 20 we can have wentz come in for rest of 2nd/ 3 quarters til stafford can come back in 4th. If stafford cannot go in but Wentz needs a bit of rest after those 2 quarters, you can throw in Wolf, until Wentz is ready to go back.

Now if Stafford Comes back in the 2nd quarter, but needed to get tape fixed or something, have to put Wolf in to have stafford be eligible to return that quarter.

If Stafford is replaced with Wentz, hes not elgible to come back until 4th quarter.

I'm sure there is a reason why they don't do that. That being said, with more games and for the product on the field it sure would make the games more interesting for sure. Go Rams and the Stafford, cousins and a college qb trio. There isn't enough money for that in this iteration of NFL football, but I like the idea.

 

[dieterbrock]

The NFL has basically gifted teams a 3rd QB.
- Practice squad used to limit amount of accrued seasons players could have, now they can have Vets, and they can pay them more than PS salary
- Can move up to the 53 3 times during season without counting against the 53
- Emergency QB status
It just defies logic to not have one. 16 spots but no QB. They wont even play a 2nd TE in games, have 4 on the roster and then have 2 more on PS. Between Roster and PS, they have 8 WR and 5 TE's suiting up for practice. At the very least, have a guy to be that camp arm, running reps with the players so they're all getting work

 

[FarNorth]

The last Rams QB to injure his thumb went on to win a playoff game and still was only considered to the Rams QB "for now"
Lets hope history doesnt repeat itself

Maybe we could trade him back to Detroit with a couple of first rounders for Goff. But Brad Holmes would never make that trade.

 

[NYCRam]

Maybe we could trade him back to Detroit with a couple of first rounders for Goff. But Brad Holmes would never make that trade.

As good as Goff has been, I still wouldn't want him back. Our next Franchise Quarterback has to be Drafted high by us. As far as "bridges" go I'd still take Stafford over Goff and I would probably take Cousins too.

 

[fanotodd]

Stafford is not done, His O-line protection( Or lack thereof) is the Problem! Hes got 2.5secs or less to throw, and hes used to Kupp bailing him out of failed O-line coverage. Its what hes used to. He somewhat trusts Puka now, but the rest forget it. Shelton was non existant yesterday, and Stafford was like WTH a lot of the times and either just threw or dumped it to Hendo, or Hig! Only times others get it, is when hes like im tired of this shit, and just throws it.

Seeing the physical deterioration of a professional athlete who has suffered his share of injuries over a long career is one thing, but a team can work around it for a while. It’s not like he can’t still make all of the throws and the occasional wow play, just not as often.

Having said all that, I agree with your observation. Maybe the Rams should call more dink and dunk plays to offset that short window of time he has to throw. I don’t know about you, but I find myself screaming, “throw it!” a lot more than I used to. Just not enough play action from under center with a rollout and too many straight drops, waiting on plays to develop.

I will add, why isn’t Atwell being targeted more on those longer developing routes? He’s the speed guy. Kupp and Nacua have everything BUT a ton of speed. I’m not getting the offense in general. There has to be a better way to call the game in order to protect Stafford while getting the most of what he has left.

 

[fanotodd]

Stafford's not done. But if McVay continues to pass with deep-developing routes and a below-average O-line then Stafford will be done sooner rather than later.

We can move on to another topic now because that ^^about sums it up.

 

[OnceARam]

Maybe we could trade him back to Detroit with a couple of first rounders for Goff. But Brad Holmes would never make that trade.

They may consider the trade when they lose in the playoffs.

 

[FarNorth]

They may consider the trade when they lose in the playoffs.

They will be in the playoffs with home field advantage. Maybe with the top ranking in the NFC. No one will want to play them. Goff can win playoff games. Bet against them at your own risk.

 

[oldnotdead]

Because of the cap I keep saying Stafford will have one more year, i.e. 2024 before he rides off into retirement. That was the way the contract was structured when drawn up. This will allow them to draft a QB1 next year and hopefully give him at least a few months into the season to get ready to take the reins. I have zero confidence in Stafford not missing games next year. It's clear health wise he's done now but they will trot him out next year simply because of his contract.

Any delusion that Stafford can play beyond 2024 has been snuffed out last year and now this year. That INT was Matt trying to protect his back. I have a spinal contusion from a fall during the rain on wet pea gravel It's been almost a year and it still hurts. Yeah I can function but I'm well aware I better not fall again. Stafford is playing like that is the case for him. It's why I said in most cases it takes a full 12 months to really heal a bad spinal contusion. Also, it's clear that his tendonitis might be returning. That will forever be a chronic condition for him at his age. I don't golf but a lot of my friends do and I knew a bunch of avid golfers when I was at Torrey Pines. They all can tell you exactly how chronic tendonitis can flare up.

I think it's clear he doesn't have 3 more years left in him. In 2025 his dead cap becomes manageable. IMO they won't play Stafford this year again if Rypien plays decently. I don't care what he contended, he wasn't 100% healthy, he said he felt "good" but that doesn't mean he was 100%. If they don't have to play Matt again I question whether they would. Next year IMO was their expected year to make a run. That isn't to say this year's roster isn't good, they need experience and good players take a big step in their second year.

 

[Londoner]

Because of the cap I keep saying Stafford will have one more year, i.e. 2024 before he rides off into retirement. That was the way the contract was structured when drawn up. This will allow them to draft a QB1 next year and hopefully give him at least a few months into the season to get ready to take the reins. I have zero confidence in Stafford not missing games next year. It's clear health wise he's done now but they will trot him out next year simply because of his contract.

Any delusion that Stafford can play beyond 2024 has been snuffed out last year and now this year. That INT was Matt trying to protect his back. I have a spinal contusion from a fall during the rain on wet pea gravel It's been almost a year and it still hurts. Yeah I can function but I'm well aware I better not fall again. Stafford is playing like that is the case for him. It's why I said in most cases it takes a full 12 months to really heal a bad spinal contusion. Also, it's clear that his tendonitis might be returning. That will forever be a chronic condition for him at his age. I don't golf but a lot of my friends do and I knew a bunch of avid golfers when I was at Torrey Pines. They all can tell you exactly how chronic tendonitis can flare up.

I think it's clear he doesn't have 3 more years left in him. In 2025 his dead cap becomes manageable. IMO they won't play Stafford this year again if Rypien plays decently. I don't care what he contended, he wasn't 100% healthy, he said he felt "good" but that doesn't mean he was 100%. If they don't have to play Matt again I question whether they would. Next year IMO was their expected year to make a run. That isn't to say this year's roster isn't good, they need experience and good players take a big step in their second year.

If your premise is correct (and I believe it may well be), and 2024 is going to be Stafford’s final year, wouldn’t it be in our best interests to tank for the rest of this season in order to get our preferred quarterback in the 2024 draft? Even if we are picking in the 5-10 range, a trade up would be easier from there (if we are after Williams or Maye) than from a position in the teens.

 

[Neil039]

No

 

[oldnotdead]

There is no way I see them intentionally tanking. It all depends on how well Rypien plays. If he can emerge as a decent QB for the remainder of the year I see them shutting Matt down to give him all the time to get right physically. If they can allow Matt to fully heal he could make it through 2024. Let's say Rypien can play as well as say Mayfield. Then they really would shut Matt down this season.

Caleb IMO isn't a fit for this offense. He struggles to read beyond 2 and his style really doesn't fit. Maye is better than Caleb but again he's a fit for a team that is going to run an Eagles style offense like AZ with a heavy RPO and two read scheme.

Both Penix and Nix are much better fits for McVay. Both are full field readers, both have strong arms with good deep accuracy and both are pocket passers. Both can run but Penix constantly looks downfield for an opportunity when he breaks the pocket. Either one of them would be very good in McVay's offense.

What could get scary is the SeaHawks aren't hiding their desire for Penix. What happens to the NFCW if Seattle gets Penix, LA gets Nix and AZ gets Maye. Holy crap the NFCW will be very tough. That said AZ might be happy with Tune who IMO has talent enough to be good in the right system. He is a fit for the Eagle's offense and the hybrid that AZ runs. They could then use their picks on WRs and a RB.

 

[OnceARam]

They will be in the playoffs with home field advantage. Maybe with the top ranking in the NFC. No one will want to play them. Goff can win playoff games. Bet against them at your own risk.

They didnt look good against Balt.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

They will be in the playoffs with home field advantage. Maybe with the top ranking in the NFC. No one will want to play them. Goff can win playoff games. Bet against them at your own risk.

If you’re a Rams fan and still can’t see how JG was thrown under the bus by McVay, then C’est La vie

Dude has been the starting QB on two separate losing franchises and was at the helm transforming them to what all of a sudden became top 5 offenses (and winners) with both, but of course it was all McVay in his ear (stunting his growth) and now someone named Ben Johnson, JG must be the luckiest QB ever, yeah okay

How ironic the Rams have now once again become less than average

Kind of what drove me away from here, but hell, I still love this place!!

 

[Giles]

They didnt look good against Balt.

That's 1 gm. What about the other 7?

 

[Tumak61]

If you’re a Rams fan and still can’t see how JG was thrown under the bus by McVay, then C’est La vie

Dude has been the starting QB on two separate losing franchises and was at the helm transforming them to what all of a sudden became top 5 offenses (and winners) with both, but of course it was all McVay in his ear (stunting his growth) and now someone named Ben Johnson, JG must be the luckiest QB ever, yeah okay

How ironic the Rams have now once again become less than average

Kind of what drove me away from here, but hell, I still love this place!!

Still a mystery what happened between Goff and McVay. Stafford throws pick 6's and McVay thinks he's a stud. Goff turns it over and he roasts his balls in the media. No idea what's going on there.