Stadium update article

[OldSchool]

I think you skipped the part about the whole field being rolled outside, to grow in the open air, then rolled inside just on gamedays.

Wouldn't work with the field a couple hundred feet below ground.

 

[LesBaker]

Nah. I was referring to the Inglewood Stadium. It would be an inhospitable environment for natural grass. But it WOULD be quite the engineering feat to see them roll the grass outside from 100 feet down.

Make it in sections with slinkies and have it go outside in sections that way.

Stupidest toy ever...........but it's application here could be useful

 

[Karate61]

Make it in sections with slinkies and have it go outside in sections that way.

Stupidest toy ever...........but it's application here could be useful

Stupid toy? Oh yeah. How many other toys know how to walk down the stairs??? Like None!

 

[1maGoh]

Stupid toy? Oh yeah. How many other toys know how to walk down the stairs??? Like None!

Maybe my slinky was too small (story of my life), but I was never able to get it to walk down stairs.

 

[RamsSince1969]

Maybe my slinky was too small (story of my life), but I was never able to get it to walk down stairs.

Even in the commercial it appears the footage was cut to make it look like it was walking down the stairs.

 

[RamFan503]

Stupidest toy ever...........but it's application here could be useful

Even in the commercial it appears the footage was cut to make it look like it was walking down the stairs.

Maybe my slinky was too small (story of my life), but I was never able to get it to walk down stairs.

You definitely had to have the old metal ones but mine walked down stairs fairly easily. I agree that it was a pretty useless toy but almost everyone I knew had several so how stupid was it?

 

[RamFan503]

Make it in sections with slinkies and have it go outside in sections that way.

Stupidest toy ever...........but it's application here could be useful

That would be awesome! Who wouldn't pay to see THAT?

 

[TSFH Fan]

Grass at Inglewood?

Forsyth Barr's grass field under their ETFE roof seems to work economically and technologically. They're located farther away from the equator than Inglewood, so they get less light. To me, if grass works there, it should be economically feasible in LA.

Of course there's some fudging . . . it's really a hybrid playing surface, although they call it a natural grass surface.

Artificial fibers help with the natural grass root structure. They use growth lights in winter, but it's not 100% coverage 24/7 (link). They use more spot/area usage for the lights (link). The fact that the stadium is basically a giant greenhouse helps with grass growth.

Oh, and the turf they use at Forsyth Barr is what Stan has for Arsenal at Emirates (link).

Or, they can use the newer (?) tech SISGrass hybrid surface that the Packers use. Even outdoors, they need grow lights (link). Is growing crap in the winter in Green Bay easier than growing crap in LA under an ETFE roof? Who knows? I guess, like anything, IMO, if there's enough will and enough money, they could get a "natural grass" surface for Inglewood.

 

[RamFan503]

Grass at Inglewood?

Forsyth Barr's grass field under their ETFE roof seems to work economically and technologically. They're located farther away from the equator than Inglewood, so they get less light. To me, if grass works there, it should be economically feasible in LA.

Of course there's some fudging . . . it's really a hybrid playing surface, although they call it a natural grass surface.

Artificial fibers help with the natural grass root structure. They use growth lights in winter, but it's not 100% coverage 24/7 (link). They use more spot/area usage for the lights (link). The fact that the stadium is basically a giant greenhouse helps with grass growth.

Oh, and the turf they use at Forsyth Barr is what Stan has for Arsenal at Emirates (link).

Or, they can use the newer (?) tech SISGrass hybrid surface that the Packers use. Even outdoors, they need grow lights (link). Is growing crap in the winter in Green Bay easier than growing crap in LA under an ETFE roof? Who knows? I guess, like anything, IMO, if there's enough will and enough money, they could get a "natural grass" surface for Inglewood.

I think you have a combination of things going against you in Inglewood. Longer dark periods north of the equator compounded by a long dark period (shade) due to a sunken field. I much prefer natural grass but I just don't think it's a realistic option for Inglewood.

 

[PressureD41]

that makes sense.

 

[Karate61]

Is there such thing as marijuana grass. That shit grows everywhere. When I was young, they were my step mother's only plants that never died.

 

[TSFH Fan]

I think you have a combination of things going against you in Inglewood. Longer dark periods north of the equator compounded by a long dark period (shade) due to a sunken field. I much prefer natural grass but I just don't think it's a realistic option for Inglewood.

I really don't know what this longer dark periods north of the equator references. Comparing season to season, dead of winter LA has days longer than 9h50m (link), while in Dunedin (where Forysyth Barr is located), winter days are less than 9h long (link). LA has longer days and shorter nights. If you want to take weather into account and throw in hours of sunshine per month, LA dominates. LA doesn't average less than 200 hours of sunshine a month, throughout the year (link), while Dunedin never averages more than about 175 hours of sunshine a month (link).

While people mention sunken field, that's really not what it is. The entire stadium foundation is "sunken." You don't go to the front of the field level luxury box and look down a mine shaft to watch the game. The field is lower and so are the stands. The shade/shadows are from the surrounding structure just like any other stadium.

Talking about the shadows from the stadium stands and structure is a different matter than talking about a "sunken field". Emirates and Wembley manage to grow hybrid turf in partially roofed stadiums (and crappy weather). They have tons of shadows. They also have less quality sunlight. If someone wants to say that structures at Wembley and Emirates cast less shade on the field than in Inglewood, I'm not buying it. Regardless of shade, there are shade tolerant strains of Kentucky bluegrass (shade tolerant, not it grows in the dark).

Wembley:

Emirates:

But, bottom line is that it's all academic. They've already decided on artificial turf and that's what they're doing. That being said, I haven't seen anything from any source demonstrating that grass at Inglewood would not be feasible.

 

[RamFan503]

I really don't know what this longer dark periods north of the equator references. Comparing season to season, dead of winter LA has days longer than 9h50m (link), while in Dunedin (where Forysyth Barr is located), winter days are less than 9h long (link). LA has longer days and shorter nights. If you want to take weather into account and throw in hours of sunshine per month, LA dominates. LA doesn't average less than 200 hours of sunshine a month, throughout the year (link), while Dunedin never averages more than about 175 hours of sunshine a month (link).

While people mention sunken field, that's really not what it is. The entire stadium foundation is "sunken." You don't go to the front of the field level luxury box and look down a mine shaft to watch the game. The field is lower and so are the stands. The shade/shadows are from the surrounding structure just like any other stadium.

Talking about the shadows from the stadium stands and structure is a different matter than talking about a "sunken field". Emirates and Wembley manage to grow hybrid turf in partially roofed stadiums (and crappy weather). They have tons of shadows. They also have less quality sunlight. If someone wants to say that structures at Wembley and Emirates cast less shade on the field than in Inglewood, I'm not buying it. Regardless of shade, there are shade tolerant strains of Kentucky bluegrass (shade tolerant, not it grows in the dark).

Wembley:

Emirates:

But, bottom line is that it's all academic. They've already decided on artificial turf and that's what they're doing. That being said, I haven't seen anything from any source demonstrating that grass at Inglewood would not be feasible.

Somehow I thought you said that Forsyth Barr was located closer to the equator - not farther away. My bad. The longer dark periods (if I was paying attention - which clearly I wasn’t) refers to the length of dark periods during the football season. Where the equator remains fairly constant, dark periods grow longer Fall through Winter the farther you head north.

As to the physics of being below ground, I’ll have to look up the article I read when the stadium design came out. I have to admit that it didn’t make much sense to me either but the guy explained it with some pretty good certainty. At the time I just said, well ok. Thinking about it though, being below ground doesn’t make the roof higher and it’s not like 100 feet changes the angle from turf more than like one trillionth of a trillionth percent.

Now I get what you’re saying but I also have to wonder how those grass surfaces would hold up with 300 lb linemen digging up and down the middle each week. If the roots aren’t healthy, the surface will get ripped up pretty easily and I don’t think there’s any comparison between soccer and football when it comes to turf abuse.

I suppose then that it is probably more about the turf looking purdy longer and able to withstand games every week.

 

[RamFan503]

Is there such thing as marijuana grass.

Of course. I smoked it all the time when I was a kid.

View: https://youtu.be/Q-TzNdhLtZ0

 

[Karate61]

Of course. I smoked it all the time when I was a kid.

View: https://youtu.be/Q-TzNdhLtZ0

Then use it for the new Rams stadium field. It's legal now too!

 

[Merlin]

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Yeah I'm totally not in touch with nature like that. That explains the difference. Hopefully the new stadium with the filtered sun and limited airflow works out better for you than you think. I would hate for you to not enjoy the games because of the stadium.

I am crossing my fingers that it is not the normal typical dome experience.the NFL has proven they dont give a crap about the fans.the fans in minnesota they all want the outdoor stadium back but the NFL in typical fashion is ignoring them. as long as the bring back the classic LA colors that they wore that thursday night against the vikings and have the road unis that they wore in bot superbowls against the steelers and when they won against the titans,if i am unhappy with the stadium,i am sure if they bring those colors back i will keep watching them every week. that was the ONLY reason i became a rams fan in the first place was i loved the colors and also cause they played in california so you can understand WHY i stopped watching them when the left LA? not only cause they left california but they also got rid of the awesome colors within a few years as well when they left.

what I have heard is that stan is waiting till they move into inglewood before they go back to the LA colors.that he wants to make a splash in the new stadium which i think is so stupid to wait,cause he would have made an even MUCH GREATER splash in the rams return to LA in their first season WITH the LA colors.

Bring back the classic LA colors AND the road uni's and I am sure i will come around if i hate the stadium.it was painful as hell yesterday watching them play in those disgusting yellow mustard colors against their long time rival made it all the mores worse.

 

[KCLARAM FAN]

Or tick on you! I'll be just fine not getting rained on. Like someone mentioned I think this will be the best of both worlds with the sides open and the natural light. The roof panels protect you from the UV rays. Which is awesome! Like someone else mentioned the Sept. games at the coliseum have been scorching and at times down right brutal. Thing I'm not a fan of? No natural grass for one. #2.... will the building be able to dissipate heat well when there is no breeze? Or is it going to have the potential to be a sauna??

well the people at USC games can bear the heat.if THEY can take so should everybody else.

 

[Prime Time]

View: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/1054544611975213056

View: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/1054513838257668096