Spygate 2.0? (Reopened after cleaning - please let it stay unlocked)

[Mackeyser]

Also, this is a bit of a technicality, but the Bengals didn't leak the video, they leaked their video OF the video.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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nothing will happen.

goodell backed himself in the corner when he didn't strip the cheats of their titles when it became apparent they cheated their way to 3 superbowl wins. and his limp punishment ensured they would go on doing whatever they were doing to get an edge. the cheats know their titles won't be stripped and that's all that matters to them. a draft pick here, a fine there, it means nothing to them.

now the nfl can't really do anything. the cheats have been to so many superbowls and won so many of them, to admit they were tainted now would make a mockery of the sport. their hands are tied. the cheats will keep on cheating with gay abandon.

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[Tano]

I will only be satisfied if they take all their superbowls away from them and ban Belicheat for life.

Okay - a tad harsh. But I really hate the Cheatriots.

 

[XXXIVwin]

So in XXXVI the Rams included brand new plays they had never run all season, yet somehow the Pats would audible into the best defense to combat them.

This Cincinnati video just confirms my belief that the Pats taped the Rams practices before SB XXXVI.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

So in XXXVI the Rams included brand new plays they had never run all season, yet somehow the Pats would audible into the best defense to combat them.

This Cincinnati video just confirms my belief that the Pats taped the Rams practices before SB XXXVI.

You really needed this confirmed? Literally every key player on that team (and fans who watched every Rams game that year) could see that from a mile away.

When tapes were discovered and burned, how could anyone come to a different conclusion?

 

[XXXIVwin]

how could anyone come to a different conclusion?

All I can say is, millions of people have.

Including some Rams fans.

Yes, I believe the Pats taped the Rams pre-SB 36 practices. But as of now, there is zero evidence available to support this belief. (Yeah, the tapes were destroyed). No evidence, no witnesses, no confession.

Hate to say it, but this does not pass the American judicial test of “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Again, my personal belief is that the Pats are guilty as hell. (I find comments about the game from Bruce, Warner, Martz, and Faulk to be very convincing.) But it pisses me off that we don’t have enough evidence available to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Just my two cents.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The league will eventually blame the videographer. He will lose his job and then get a secret severance package worth a couple million or like a thousand a week for life, once he signs a contract that prohibits him from ever speaking about this incident.

Remember Walsh and how we anxiously awaited him to start hitting the talk circuit? He had one meeting with Goodell and then was never heard of again. So either they killed him or they paid him off.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The league will eventually blame the videographer. He will lose his job and then get a secret severance package worth a couple million or like a thousand a week for life, once he signs a contract that prohibits him from ever speaking about this incident.

Remember Walsh and how we anxiously awaited him to start hitting the talk circuit? He had one meeting with Goodell and then was never heard of again. So either they killed him or they paid him off.

Ah that Walsh character. Blockbuster news that he had the tape of the rams walkthrough, then after the meeting with Goodell he suddenly didn't have the tape, he just watched the rams practice.

Fuck the league must think we're dumbarses. Apparently they're right because most people bought that story.

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[Mackeyser]

All I can say is, millions of people have.

Including some Rams fans.

Yes, I believe the Pats taped the Rams pre-SB 36 practices. But as of now, there is zero evidence available to support this belief. (Yeah, the tapes were destroyed). No evidence, no witnesses, no confession.

Hate to say it, but this does not pass the American judicial test of “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Again, my personal belief is that the Pats are guilty as hell. (I find comments about the game from Bruce, Warner, Martz, and Faulk to be very convincing.) But it pisses me off that we don’t have enough evidence available to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Just my two cents.

Actually, the guy taping got caught, but since it had never happened before, they let him go.

but yeah, Rams and stadium security actually caught him toward the end of the walkthrough. That happened. It's not a matter of belief or conjecture.

 

[Farr Be It]

Not always.

I was in the grocery store in the produce section and just dropped a cloud of mustard gas... it was BAAAAAD. It just hung in the air.

I booked it out of there, just kinda laughing. Well, some older lady walks into the cloud, STOPS and stands in it waving her hands. Sorry lady, my gas bomb is WAY more powerful than your meek hand waving. She calls over a stock boy to complain that clearly the vegetables had gone very bad. Now, he can smell it and is wondering what crawled up her ass and died.

But...the lady isn't having it. So she calls the manager over. The produce manager, the produce stock boy and the lady are now standing in this invisible cloud of funk. She's waving her hands around and INSISTING that they need to pull the vegetables and they are trying to mollify her that they will handle it.

I woulda stepped in if they were gonna throw away good food, but they didn't.

I still couldn't believe that they just all stood in that cloud... I'm sure there's a reddit post about that somewhere...LOL.

@Mackeyser circa 1976:

"Son...son...I'm going to have to ask you to leave. The store owner says you've been here for hours, and you're smelling kinda rank..."

 

[Farr Be It]

So in XXXVI the Rams included brand new plays they had never run all season, yet somehow the Pats would audible into the best defense to combat them.

This Cincinnati video just confirms my belief that the Pats taped the Rams practices before SB XXXVI.

And where are the players coming forward with confessions? NONE of these guys in the know have any integrity?

Oh I am sure some guys don't know EVERYTHING about the theft, but they have to be suspicious when coaches started telling them the Rams tendencies in those last couple practices.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Actually, the guy taping got caught, but since it had never happened before, they let him go.

but yeah, Rams and stadium security actually caught him toward the end of the walkthrough. That happened. It's not a matter of belief or conjecture.

Yeah, against my better judgment, I just re-read the Wikipedia summary of Spygate, and there’s such an overwhelming shit-ton of circumstantial evidence that it makes me wanna puke.

So this Matt Walsh guy handed over SEVEN tapes of Pats’ illegal taping of opponents over the course of 2000, 2001, and 2002, including TWO illegal tapes of the AFC Championship game just prior to SB 36.

Moreover, Matt Walsh acknowledges he watched the Rams’ SB walkthrough in the stadium AND he had videotaping equipment.

BUT... he denied making or possessing a videotape.

So despite a lengthy pattern of conduct... and being at the key opponent’s practice before the biggest game... AND having video equipment.... Walsh denies he made a videotape.

Look, I hate conspiracy theories. But this ain’t a conspiracy theory. This is the “if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a fuckin’ duck” theory.

 

[coconut]

@Mackeyser circa 1976:

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"Son...son...I'm going to have to ask you to leave. The store owner says you've been here for hours, and you're smelling kinda rank..."

We've all been that kid in the red initiating his fart field.

 

[coconut]

Hate to say it, but this does not pass the American judicial test of “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Again, my personal belief is that the Pats are guilty as hell. (I find comments about the game from Bruce, Warner, Martz, and Faulk to be very convincing.) But it pisses me off that we don’t have enough evidence available to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Just my two cents.

A 17 point underdog wins the Super Bowl by calling out never before used plays while years later and multiple Lombardis later the scam becomes known and the tapes were destroyed. No reasonable doubt my ass. This isn't a court of law. It's a "sports" league. Super Bowls are not won. They are given by the league to reward a team that won a fair contest. The league can ban people and the league can take back Lombardis.

 

[coconut]

And where are the players coming forward with confessions? NONE of these guys in the know have any integrity?

Oh I am sure some guys don't know EVERYTHING about the theft, but they have to be suspicious when coaches started telling them the Rams tendencies in those last couple practices.

Perhaps they don't want to give up the money they made by "winning"? Same for their ring and the moniker "Super Bowl Champion".

 

[Farr Be It]

Perhaps they don't want to give up the money they made by "winning"? Same for their ring and the moniker "Super Bowl Champion".

Oh I get it. They are complicit and their whole life is lived with an asterisk.

The truth shall set you free!

Unfortunately, I think we are going to see an outbreak of guys from that organization developing stomach cancers in the next couple decades. Living a lie can cause a lot of stress in the body.

 

[Tano]

Oh I get it. They are complicit and their whole life is lived with an asterisk.

The truth shall set you free!

Unfortunately, I think we are going to see an outbreak of guys from that organization developing stomach cancers in the next couple decades. Living a lie can cause a lot of stress in the body.

I am wondering if only a few key personnel knew and told everyone that they watched film of Rams games to determine their tendencies.

If I was another player who was not in the know, I probably would have believed those other players because they were smarter football players and they were doing it all year. I would say only 1 or 2 players on defense needed to be in the know.

 

[Selassie I]

 

[EastRam]

No one other than belicheat and his guy “can’t remember his name” that broke down the film and provided bilicheat with the info.

That’s easy to keep in house.

 

[kurtfaulk]

No one other than belicheat and his guy “can’t remember his name” that broke down the film and provided bilicheat with the info.

That’s easy to keep in house.

Exactly. The players just follow the game plan given to them. Except maybe Brady who was getting instructions until he snapped the ball, being told exactly what the d was running.

However we have no idea what the coaches were showing the players in the meetings. Mcdouche let the cat out of the bag when he got busted for the same thing with the Broncos. He said something like what they were doing at the Broncos was innocent, not like the cheats where they used the videos to gameplan against all the other teams in the league.

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