So, PI is now reviewable

[LesBaker]

On another note, the NFL confirmed that New England committed a PI on Brandin Cooks when the DB grabbed his arm. So that would of been a play the Rams got.

And people still blame him for "dropping the ball".

That call was an example of why more refs are needed. The defender knew that he was shielded and that he could get away with that. Sherman and the Legion of Poo used to do that all the time. They never grabbed the jersey because that would tip off the ref, they always grabbed the arm or skin.

 

[Varg6]

I'm not opposed to this, I'm curious to see how this impacts the game, but I think it's at least a step in the right direction. As much as I hate the Saints whining about that call, I think any fanbase would be justifiably upset. I don't think it's just that call, either. The reality is, a lot of games get determined by refs who make bad calls/noncalls. We have the technology to reverse these whiffs.

Keep in mind, there are still only two challenges that coaches can make. The rule still applies that teams cannot challenge with 2 minutes or less remaining in the 2nd and 4th quarter. My only concern, as you guys have alluded to, is that I am not a fan of the idea that refs will scrutinize arguably every play within the final two minutes of a game.

Also, this is only for 2019. If it's something that hurts the game more than it helps, this can and will be changed.

 

[Ramhusker]

You have to watch what you ask for! This could really poo poo the game up.

 

[Ram65]

The NFL refs don't call PI the same from game to game during the season. The SB they didn't call any (IIRC) and there were a number of them. How are they going to be consistent with a booth review when they aren't any other time. This better go both ways with offensive PE. The NFL should define the rules for all penalties first. Start with PE and offensive holding. At least it's only a one year trial but, why do it at all?


McVay better start saving his time outs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

IF they wanted to get this right, they would have made it possible to review actual PI calls only. Not to review a play looking for a flag. The guy in the saints game was probably afraid of throwing that flag and having such a huge impact on the outcome. If the call was challengeable, then he could have thrown the flag, and it would have been overturned if evidence of it not being a PI was on video.

The way they are doing this now is horrible. What's next, being able to review any play because of potential offensive holding? Offensive holding occurs on almost every single play, and therefore, all you would have to do is challenge whenever your opponent gets more than 2 seconds to complete a pass, or runs through a huge hole in the defense, because you could find holding on almost every single play.

 

[jjab360]

PI being challengeable doesn't help the Saints lol. No call should still be no call.

If and when the NFL ever starts to allow coaches to force reviews of non-calls looking for penalties, I will terminate my viewership. I'm serious. For me that is over the line.

I really hope you don't mean that, because that is exactly what they did

 

[gabriel18]

Just going to add more contraversey to an already over officiated game . Plus it's still a judgment call . I don't like it

 

[LesBaker]

IF they wanted to get this right, they would have made it possible to review actual PI calls only.

This is the only sensible thing to do.

I suspect that this may change before we even hit the regular season. Coaches will be "practicing" in pre-season how to best use this rule to get first downs.

 

[Merlin]

I really hope you don't mean that, because that is exactly what they did

I know and I'm pretty worked up about it. I am going to have a hard time with this new change. For now I plan on recording games and watching so I can fast forward through the irritating BS, but in spite of my love of the Rams the NFL product overall is not something I enjoy as much as I used to which is why I said that.

Honestly I feel like this is the straw that breaks my back, but we'll see whether I'm just full of hot air I guess.

 

[Ken]

We can hope that if a PI non-call is challenged that the entire play is reviewed for any penalties that may have occurred prior to the potential PI. If it is, then I'm not against it. Each team is limited to 3 challenges a game so it can't slow the game down too much more than it already is. I can see challenges for missed OPI as well on large chunk pass plays. As long as they're fair about calling penalties for missed OPI and DPI, then it might be a good thing.

 

[Ellard80]

Just going to add more contraversey to an already over officiated game . Plus it's still a judgment call . I don't like it

Most penalties are "judgement" calls.

 

[Psycho_X]

We can hope that if a PI non-call is challenged that the entire play is reviewed for any penalties that may have occurred prior to the potential PI. If it is, then I'm not against it..

Good point, in hypothetical mode let’s say a DPI happens with no call. The coach challenges and it is a blatant PI on the defense. Penalty called on defense because challenge was won. But wait, the defensive teams coach is told the ball was tipped at los. Can he throw flag now? If he can and it’s proven to be tipped does the first coach get his challenge back? If he gets it back why doesn’t the defensive coach get his challenge back too since he only challenged him in the first place because the other was successful.

Man what a clusterfuck that could be. So you’re right, the whole play must be reviewed to make it fair and not a cluster.

 

[MadGoat]

Stupidest rule ever. Games will take 4 hours now to complete as the flow of the game will not exsist.

PI is a huge play. How about implementing something like PI is a 10 yard penalty. If it is "considered" blatant maybe make it a spot foul.

On another note, the NFL confirmed that New England committed a PI on Brandin Cooks when the DB grabbed his arm. So that would of been a play the Rams got.

Here's more info on the SB call-

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/brandin-cooks-rams-super-bowl-53-drop-pass-interference

 

[Flint]

There’s some leeway in most rules, if you grab jersey you’re likely to draw a flag, if you grab the receiver’s arm the way the pats did to Cooks, you can get away with it.
The Cooks arm grab isn’t what I’d call egregious and yet the league announces it as pi, they seem to be trying hard to repair their public image. The problem is that the rules can’t be applied to the letter. Contact while the ball is in the air is interference so basically there’s interference every play so it’s still a judgment call and if you slow it down you’re going to see illegal contact.

They’re going to have to let stuff go or it really will be impossible to play d. People want to make sure things don’t happen like in the Rams -Saints game but situations like that don’t occur often and when they do we sometimes have the benefit of replay and still screw it up. Does anyone think the tuck rule wasn’t a fumble, does anybody outside Seattle think the Packers didn’t have possession in the end zone. Why would anyone believe it’s going to work now? We had the catch rule, which only confused everyone, defenseless receivers, head to head contact. I wouldn’t call any of these a success and now we’ve added another.

 

[T-REX]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...l-in-the-super-bowl-that-helped-the-patriots/

NFL admits officials blew a fourth-quarter pass interference call in the Super Bowl that helped the Patriots, per report

If the NFL's new replay rules had existed during the 2018 season, the Patriotsmight not have won Super Bowl LIII over the Rams.

Under the new rule that was approved Tuesday, all pass interference calls -- both offensive and defensive -- are now reviewable. The rule means that coaches are now allowed to challenge interference penalties, even if the penalty went uncalled on the field. The replay booth will also be able to automatically review any potential interference play that happens with under two minutes left in both the first or second half of a game.

Although the blatant pass interference no-call in the NFC Championship Game was a big catalyst for why the new rules were approved, it turns out there were other missed interference calls during the postseason that were almost just as big, and one of those came in Super Bowl LIII.

According to ESPN.com, the NFL competition committee apparently admitted Tuesday that the Patriots should have been flagged for a interference on a huge fourth-quarter play involving Brandin Cooks. The admission came while the committee was discussing the potential ramifications of making interference reviewable.

At the time of the play, the Rams were trailing 10-3 with roughly 4:30 left in the game. On a first-and-10 play from New England's 27-yard line, Jared Gofffired a pass to Cooks, and that's when this happened.

uke:

 

[XXXIVwin]

Wow. This rule change is going to have a MAJOR impact on the game.

Rams could have challenged the Cooks “drop”? Wow.

 

[kurtfaulk]

And people still blame him for "dropping the ball".

That call was an example of why more refs are needed. The defender knew that he was shielded and that he could get away with that. Sherman and the Legion of Poo used to do that all the time. They never grabbed the jersey because that would tip off the ref, they always grabbed the arm or skin.

Many wrs in the league would have made that catch rather easily. Let's not pretend he got mugged, one of his arms was held back. Cooks should practice his one arm grabs.

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[Mojo Ram]

I have long thought PI should be reviewable... It's such a huge penalty, (call or no call).

It should be reviewable...but not from the booth or NY or in the last 2 minutes or whatever. Only via the (limited number of) red flags by the HC. Same as it is now, just add PI, personal fouls, holding and no-calls to what a HC can throw the red flags on.

This way the game won't lag or stop any more than it already does, and coaches will have to use their two challenges far more wisely, and only have themselves to blame if they feel they got robbed at the end of a game on a personal foul call or ANY bad call.

 

[LesBaker]

Many wrs in the league would have made that catch rather easily. Let's not pretend he got mugged, one of his arms was held back. Cooks should practice his one arm grabs.

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It's absurd to suggest that a player going to make a two handed grab that has one arm pulled down would make that catch rather easily.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Coaches can challenge those calls in the first 28 minutes of each half. In the final two minutes of each half, those calls will be subject to a booth review.

This rule change is only for the 2019 season.

Owners passed the provision, 31-1, at the Annual League Meeting in Phoenix on Tuesday night. The Cincinnati Bengals were the lone team to vote against pass interference replay reviews, sources told NFL Network's Mike Garafolo.

Coaches will still have only two challenge flags.

I'm all for it. I still don't like the 2 minute booth review* but i think this is progress.

* parity police