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just watched NFL live today. Trading Gurley was one of the topics. Should The Rams trade Todd Gurley our of a level of 10. They said it would be hard to trade him,but More than likely will try. 7/8
Old School already said there is zero chance as well. I think The Rams should trade him if they can . I’m cool if they don’t.
Dude, Next year I could hear talk about it for him or Cooks but this year? I honestly don’t think anybody would bite without us sending a pick their way and with us missing a first I don’t think Snead would make that deal.

we all know nothing’s impossible but I just feel it’s highly unlikely.

if we move anybody it’ll be Havenstein or NRC.

If we did this we would have about this in Cap room

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Enough for Ramsey, Draft, UFA, RFA Etc.
 
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I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot here, this is more of a rhetorical question: Can anyone name one team in the NFL that would trade for Gurley and that contract with his injury history and his production the last season and a half???

Is Snyder still in charge of Personnel for the Redskins?
 

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I have to admit it gives me pause that McVay and Gurley will be "sitting down." Was that a thing last offseason I cannot recall.
My guess is he'll be "sitting down" with several of his players before FA begins, but "sitting down" with Gurley makes for a better story.

Yawn.
 

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My guess is he'll be "sitting down" with several of his players before FA begins, but "sitting down" with Gurley makes for a better story.

Yawn.
I agree Mojo. This is a non-story IMHO. The talk will centre around what worked last year, what didn't, what could they do differently etc. And plans for the upcoming season on how they intend to use him.
 

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Dude, Next year I could hear talk about it for him or Cooks but this year? I honestly don’t think anybody would bite without us sending a pick their way and with us missing a first I don’t think Snead would make that deal.

we all know nothing’s impossible but I just feel it’s highly unlikely.

if we move anybody it’ll be Havenstein or NRC.

If we did this we would have about this in Cap room

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Enough for Ramsey, Draft, UFA, RFA Etc.

That’s far. From this last report it looks like they just want to have a plan that works best for him & the team & Gurley.
I like the way The Rams used him this season. Then again, my thinking is keeping him healthy at least gives The Rams & Gurley a chance to see what direction they can go. The truth being
Is Gurley happy ??
 

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I agree Mojo. This is a non-story IMHO. The talk will centre around what worked last year, what didn't, what could they do differently etc. And plans for the upcoming season on how they intend to use him.
Exactly.
 

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Dude this video literally has NOTHING informative than is different with any other player on our roster. Evaluation like this happens for EVERY player on the roster on how the can contribute and what their salary dictates.

MCSnead and their teams are working overtime right now before final decisions have to be made next month. Speculation one way or another is meaningless this time of year just like mock drafts are.


Of course, McVay and Gurley need to communicate. The article had no insight at all.

The bottom line is Gurley needs to tell McVay to let me play like I use to or close to it. Get both Gurley and Henderson some better/more holes to run through. I still think Gurley can wear down defenses and then Henderson can run past them. They will make a great 1-2 punch with improved blocking.
 

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That’s far. From this last report it looks like they just want to have a plan that works best for him & the team & Gurley.
I like the way The Rams used him this season. Then again, my thinking is keeping him healthy at least gives The Rams & Gurley a chance to see what direction they can go. The truth being
Is Gurley happy ??
What last report man?
Is it really groundbreaking that a coach is going to talk to his player in the offseason?
Is this even news? Does this never happen with the other 60+ players on the Rams or any other team?

They are grasping at straws for a non story just like Goff is a bust narrative.

Their news cycle is shit right now and the slowest it is all year up until FA in March. They have a job and need to put something on the TV.

Don’t fall into the bs!
 

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What last report man?
Is it really groundbreaking that a coach is going to talk to his player in the offseason?
Is this even news? Does this never happen with the other 60+ players on the Rams or any other team?

They are grasping at straws for a non story just like Goff is a bust narrative.

Their news cycle is shit right now and the slowest it is all year up until FA in March. They have a job and need to put something on the TV.

Don’t fall into the bs!
Happens every year they call them exit interviews. But this is somehow news :D
 

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I agree Mojo. This is a non-story IMHO. The talk will centre around what worked last year, what didn't, what could they do differently etc. And plans for the upcoming season on how they intend to use him.

That doesn't get as many clicks as speculating about the rams trading Gurley when they know it's nearly impossible to get it done and doesn't give the rams any cap relief.

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My guess is he'll be "sitting down" with several of his players before FA begins, but "sitting down" with Gurley makes for a better story.

Yawn.
Yeah, they have a new offensive coordinator and running backs coach so they want to have a meeting. double yawn
 

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I agree Mojo. This is a non-story IMHO. The talk will centre around what worked last year, what didn't, what could they do differently etc. And plans for the upcoming season on how they intend to use him.

Indeed.
I'd be disappointed if McVay didn't have a sit-down with Gurley, and other key players, to discuss maximising his potential.

Poor Todd.
He went all of last pre season and beyond with everyone speculating about his knee, and this season it looks ike it will be spent speculating whether or not he will be traded.
 

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The thought of trading Gurley after just five seasons gives me the same gut-punched reaction I had when Bruce signed with the Whiners. Gurley is one of my favorite all-time Rams players. The whole situation sucks.
 

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Posted 10 hours ago
https://overthecap.com/player/todd-gurley/3858/

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Todd Gurley signed a four year, $57.5 million contract extension with the Rams on July 25, 2018. Details of the contract come from a report from Mike Florio of PFT. Gurley received $45 million in guarantees, $21.95 million of which is guaranteed at signing, including a $21 million signing bonus. On the 3rd day of the 2019 league year his base salary and 2020 3rd day of the league year roster bonus which total $12.55 million will become fully guaranteed. On the 3rd day of the 2020 league year the final $10.5 million in injury guarantees becomes fully guaranteed. This includes Gurley's 2021 3rd day of the league year roster bonus. On the 3rd day of the 2021 and 2022 league years Gurley will earn a non guaranteed $1 million roster bonus. Those same years Gurley will earn a $4 million reporting bonus. There are also $2.5 million in escalators that can increase the total contract value to $60 million if earned. Gurley's cap figure in 2018 increased by $2.8 million and his 2019 cap figure decreased by $430,000.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/todd-gurley-16734/

https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/

Pay particularly close attention to the trading part on March 18th.
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Trading period for 2020 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2019 contracts.
So his guaranteed roster bonus is paid on March 15th and you can't trade somebody until March 18th. We're paying that money this year one way or another so that's $7.5 million. When we trade him the remaining years of his prorated signing bonus escalates into 2020's so that's another $12.6 million we pay this year. We're now at paying a guy $20.1 million if we trade him. Whereas his cap hit this year is $17.25 million. You get it now? I understand that Rappaport, Schefter and Thiry along with countless others in the media are saying we should trade him but it's really simple math. You incur almost an extra $4 million in cap space to trade a guy and then you have to replace him and his production.
Now if we wait a year and trade or cut him or he retires after 2020 what happens? Well all that escalates into the 2021 cap is $8.4 million where his cap hit for 2021 would be $13.2 millon. In 2021 we actually would save money to cut him not much but we would. In 2022 it goes up to a savings of $10 million and 2023 it's no cap hit.

Again I get it you want to believe the NFL media because they know everything but when you actually look at the numbers and get some understanding of it you come to the realization that Gurley and Cooks (who's situation is almost identical) are going to be Rams in 2020 and possibly 2021 no matter what you read from Rapsheet or Schefter or Thiry.

Did I explain this well enough? This isn't the first time I've posted these numbers.
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Hindsight is 2020, but I was never comfortable handing Todd a fat contract.

As for the here and now...I would prefer to see him gone. He has clearly lost a step, and he is also prone to sulky behaviour which is not good for the team as a whole.

However...I'm a realist, and as previous posters have said - who the hell is gonna trade for an injured RB, with declining performance?
 

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It’s been clear for months that the Rams have a huge decision to make regarding running back Todd Gurley‘s contract. In the coming days and weeks, it all will be coming to a head.

With another $10.5 million in compensation under Gurley’s blockbuster deal due to become fully guaranteed on March 20, the Rams reportedly want to meet with Gurley.

The Rams surely regretted the Gurley contract, signed in June 2018, by the time its first year concluded. In 2019, he became a part-time player whose abilities and contributions simply don’t justify the terms to which the Rams have committed.

He received $21 million to sign, part of $34.5 million in guarantees that fully vested last March. If they’d cut him now, Gurley would walk away with $17.25 million per year for two seasons. (Of the $34.5 million, $31.95 million would not be subject to offset.)

Keeping Gurley beyond March 20 means that his $5.5 million base salary for 2020 along with a $5 million roster bonus for 2021 will become fully guaranteed. He’s also due make $5 million in base salary in 2021.

So it’s not hard to guess the subject of the meeting. The Rams, I believe, will tell Gurley that they want to keep him, but that they can’t justify keeping him under the terms of his current deal, which was signed before Gurley’s knee necessitated making him something less than the workhorse he’d been before signing the deal.

The Rams could (and maybe should) allow Gurley to gauge the market elsewhere, to see if anyone would offer him as much or more than whatever the Rams are willing to pay on a restructured deal. Chances are that Gurley won’t do any better than whatever the Rams would pay, especially since keeping Gurley on the roster would avoid a cap charge of $12.6 million in signing bonus acceleration and $7.55 million in a fully-guaranteed roster bonus for 2020. (They could push $8.4 million in dead money into 2021 by designating Gurley as a post-June 1 release, pending the completion of a new CBA before the start of the league year.)

Of course, Gurley may decide to simply refuse whatever the Rams offer, even if he ends up getting less elsewhere. With $34.5 million (or at a minimum $31.95 million) in hand, he can afford to take a stand on principle and to force his way to the open market.

Gurley has a short fuse when it comes to conversations about his knee, and it won’t be easy for the Rams to sell him on the idea of taking less without mentioning the elephant in the room. The moment they do could be the moment Gurley refuses to do anything other that sit and wait for another $10.5 million in guaranteed money to vest — or for the Rams to rip up the contract and make him a free agent.
 

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Posted 10 hours ago
https://overthecap.com/player/todd-gurley/3858/


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/todd-gurley-16734/

https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/

Pay particularly close attention to the trading part on March 18th.

So his guaranteed roster bonus is paid on March 15th and you can't trade somebody until March 18th. We're paying that money this year one way or another so that's $7.5 million. When we trade him the remaining years of his prorated signing bonus escalates into 2020's so that's another $12.6 million we pay this year. We're now at paying a guy $20.1 million if we trade him. Whereas his cap hit this year is $17.25 million. You get it now? I understand that Rappaport, Schefter and Thiry along with countless others in the media are saying we should trade him but it's really simple math. You incur almost an extra $4 million in cap space to trade a guy and then you have to replace him and his production.
Now if we wait a year and trade or cut him or he retires after 2020 what happens? Well all that escalates into the 2021 cap is $8.4 million where his cap hit for 2021 would be $13.2 millon. In 2021 we actually would save money to cut him not much but we would. In 2022 it goes up to a savings of $10 million and 2023 it's no cap hit.

Again I get it you want to believe the NFL media because they know everything but when you actually look at the numbers and get some understanding of it you come to the realization that Gurley and Cooks (who's situation is almost identical) are going to be Rams in 2020 and possibly 2021 no matter what you read from Rapsheet or Schefter or Thiry.

Did I explain this well enough? This isn't the first time I've posted these numbers.
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Glad I saw this article. I have been thinking about this trade to the Dolphins makes sense. I know most won’t like it though.
Todd Gurley has been an excellent RB for
The Rams. Just think you have to cut bait & chum to the Dolphins. Could be a win win ??
https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2020/...elease-draft-compensation-savings-los-angeles

Will see if it’s the Dolphins? My guess it could be still.

My point was cap space.

Brandon Cooks & Gurley makes sense only because of Brady. Jones from USC is a freaking awesome young back.Maybe that is the perfect fit for Todd Gurley.

Gurley has been a stud, just as I’ve been saying it just makes sense for The Rams.
No way will I enjoy Todd Gurley with The Rams for 4 more seasons. I think the Stable needs a New Young stud. Henderson is a nice 3rd down back.
 

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Happy Birthday Todd Gurley!!

Wishing you 2 victories over the Bucs!!

Also wish The Rams could have received something for your services.
Hopefully showing you the mobey keeps you content.