Seahawks' Wilson Agree to 4yr Extension

[FrantikRam]

I think your original position was that teams can be successful (however we define that) by never re-signing a QB to a second contract. Teams simply don't do that. They don't draft a mediocre QB, train him up, surround him with talent, play him four or five years, let him walk and draft another JAG. Teams want to have continuity at QB, they want to draft a guy who plays well enough to get a second contract and stay with the team.

More than anything, teams want to win. I would be willing to bet the top paid QBs all missing the playoffs last year was more of an eye opener than anything else. I get that teams don't do that right now, but I think eventually a team will.

The Rams are in something of a unique situation because we've managed the cap so well. I'll be fine if we re-sign Goff - it will put the onus squarely on Snead to draft and develop so many players - I have faith in him. There will also be 2-3 Rodger Saffold type departures every season, so I hope fans are ready for that too.

I'll also be fine if we buck the trend.

It's ironic though that the number one complaint was that Kupp was injured, and if we do indeed re-sign Goff, one of either Cooks/Woods/Kupp is likely leaving the team. The best thing would be for Goff to develop and make this situation into a no brainer.

 

[tempests]

Two Super Bowls to one, but more sustained success on the other side - that is the epitome of this dilemma. I have no doubt that paying a "franchise QB" will give you hope and lead to more winning seasons than losing - but I also have no doubt that it will only net you a max of one Super Bowl, if we're lucky.

Only a few QBs have ever won more than one SB, and they are mostly HOFers. Only a few HCs have won multiple SBs with different starting QBs, and that was when there was no salary cap or free agency.

70s Rams built the strong supporting cast, but had a different starting QB every year, that got them the division championship but rarely anything more. Meanwhile Tarkenton and Staubach kept taking their teams to the SB.

For most of their losing seasons the Rams were lacking at either QB or HC, and it wasn't for lack of opportunity to find something better. McVay and Goff are the best thing the Rams have going since Vermeil and Warner.

Teams that win the most, pair a great HC with a great QB and keep them together.

 

[FrantikRam]

Only a few QBs have ever won more than one SB, and they are mostly HOFers. Only a few HCs have won multiple SBs with different starting QBs, and that was when there was no salary cap or free agency.

70s Rams built the strong supporting cast, but had a different starting QB every year, that got them the division championship but rarely anything more. Meanwhile Tarkenton and Staubach kept taking their teams to the SB.

For most of their losing seasons the Rams were lacking at either QB or HC, and it wasn't for lack of opportunity to find something better. McVay and Goff are the best thing the Rams have going since Vermeil and Warner.

Teams that win the most, pair a great HC with a great QB and keep them together.

Unfortunately examples prior to FA exploding aren't relevant to how things happen today.

Player movement being less frequent, all you needed to do to sustain success was get a good QB and draft well.

 

[tempests]

Unfortunately examples prior to FA exploding aren't relevant to how things happen today.

That is the time when teams did what you're suggesting. Built up their rosters and treated the QB position as plug 'n play. Gibbs, Parcells, Siefert. In the last 20 years, not so much.

 

[Kevin]

The Rams are in something of a unique situation because we've managed the cap so well. I'll be fine if we re-sign Goff - it will put the onus squarely on Snead to draft and develop so many players - I have faith in him. There will also be 2-3 Rodger Saffold type departures every season, so I hope fans are ready for that too.

It's ironic though that the number one complaint was that Kupp was injured, and if we do indeed re-sign Goff, one of either Cooks/Woods/Kupp is likely leaving the team. The best thing would be for Goff to develop and make this situation into a no brainer.

No, that doesn't have to happen. Goff is signed through this season and we can use the fifth year option to keep him in 2020 without a new contract. Heading into the 2021 season, the Rams have 14 players under contract and $102 million in cap space (likely much more, this number does not assume growth in the salary cap) to sign Goff for 2021 and more in the year beyond that. During the next two years, the Rams will draft well and have good players on their rookie contracts and sign affordable free agents like Matthews, Weddle and Bortles.

Don't look at the current roster and where the Rams are now against the cap and say, Goff is going to cost us 2-3 Rodger Saffolds or Cooper Kupps every year. What it does mean is we are far less likely to make another big splash in free agency. No one-year deals for Ndamukong Suh or Dante Fowler.

 

[FrantikRam]

No, that doesn't have to happen. Goff is signed through this season and we can use the fifth year option to keep him in 2020 without a new contract. Heading into the 2021 season, the Rams have 14 players under contract and $102 million in cap space (likely much more, this number does not assume growth in the salary cap) to sign Goff for 2021 and more in the year beyond that. During the next two years, the Rams will draft well and have good players on their rookie contracts and sign affordable free agents like Matthews, Weddle and Bortles.

Don't look at the current roster and where the Rams are now against the cap and say, Goff is going to cost us 2-3 Rodger Saffolds or Cooper Kupps every year. What it does mean is we are far less likely to make another big splash in free agency. No one-year deals for Ndamukong Suh or Dante Fowler.

I'm not looking at where we are against the cap right now, I realize we have space.

But how much do you think JJ, Kupp and Noteboom will re-sign for? Peters or Fowler? Blythe?

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/19/russell-wilsons-cap-number-maxes-out-at-39-million/

Russell Wilson’s cap number maxes out at $39 million

The week began with the Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson engaged in a stare down. The week is ending with the dust fully settled on a new five-year, $157 million deal.

The contract has an average payout of $31.4 million over five years, but like many contracts the deal is structured to keep the cap numbers lower at first, higher later.

Spotrac.com has the full breakdown of the contract. Even with a payout of $70 million this year (up from $17 million under the prior deal), Wilson’s cap number increases by only $1 million, from $25.286 to $26.286 million.

Of course, the extra $43.714 million will hit the cap later. In 2020, the cap number moves to $31 million. In 2021, the cap number climbs to $32 million. In 2022, the cap number increases by another $5 million, to $37 million. In 2023, the last year of the deal, the cap number maxes out at $39 million.

The high cap number in the final year of the contract becomes important because it provides the starting point for the franchise tag in 2024. By rule (unless the new labor deal changes it), Wilson’s franchise tender would be $46.8 million. In 2025, the franchise tender would spike to $56.16 million.

Those numbers become important because, regardless of whether the market resides in four years, Wilson’s leverage his fourth contract will come from a two-year payout of nearly $103 million under the franchise tag, which equates to an average of nearly $51.5 million per year.

 

[Kevin]

I'm not looking at where we are against the cap right now, I realize we have space.

But how much do you think JJ, Kupp and Noteboom will re-sign for? Peters or Fowler? Blythe?

Like I said above, we will draft players who can become starters, meaning we don’t have to re-sign all the guys you listed, and more.

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...m-several-teams-could-be-traded-before-draft/

Seahawks' Frank Clark reportedly drawing interest from several teams, could be traded before draft
The pass rusher's situation will definitely be settled when the 2019 draft arrives, per a report

Frank Clark may or may not be on the Seattle Seahawks in 2019, but his fate will reportedly be known by the time the draft rolls around on April 25.

That's according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, who said this week that "it is a possibility that Frank Clark gets traded" in the coming days. While Rapoport said some teams are still waiting to see whether Seattle makes progress on contract talks with the franchise-tagged pass rusher, he reported there are "several" others interested in landing Clark and suggested the situation "will definitely be settled at least by draft time."

As for the actual draft, you'll be able to stream our live coverage right here on CBS Sports HQ (or download the CBS Sports app for free on any mobile or connected TV device) breaking down all the picks and everything you need to know during draft weekend.

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo previously reported that the Seahawks were likely to listen to trade offers for Clark, who has yet to sign the $17.1 million tag he received in March. ESPN's Adam Schefter added later that any deal for Clark would have to include a first-round pick.

As the Seattle Times reported, Seahawks general manager John Schneider said Wednesday that he anticipates Clark remaining with the team in 2019, saying "we love Frank, obviously." But he also didn't rule out the possibility of the 25-year-old defensive end playing elsewhere.

"I'm not under the impression that he won't," Schneider said when asked whether he could confirm Clark will stick around. "I don't know that he won't ... (But) we are always trying to understand what the landscape is throughout the National Football League. If we didn't, we wouldn't be doing our job. We can't ever have our head in the sand with anything."

As the Times' Bob Condotta noted, Schneider also doesn't expect Clark to hold out from organized team activities or training camp -- even though, barring the pass rusher's signature on the one-year franchise tag, Clark won't be subject to absence-related fines. Rapoport reported earlier this offseason that the former second-round pick was planning to skip all workouts, including mandatory ones, until finalizing a new contract.

Clark, who had a career-best 13 sacks in 2018, his first season as a 16-game starter, has until July 15 to strike a long-term agreement with the Seahawks. Otherwise, the pass rusher can only play in Seattle this year under the tag.

 

[Corbin]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...m-several-teams-could-be-traded-before-draft/

Seahawks' Frank Clark reportedly drawing interest from several teams, could be traded before draft
The pass rusher's situation will definitely be settled when the 2019 draft arrives, per a report

Frank Clark may or may not be on the Seattle Seahawks in 2019, but his fate will reportedly be known by the time the draft rolls around on April 25.

That's according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, who said this week that "it is a possibility that Frank Clark gets traded" in the coming days. While Rapoport said some teams are still waiting to see whether Seattle makes progress on contract talks with the franchise-tagged pass rusher, he reported there are "several" others interested in landing Clark and suggested the situation "will definitely be settled at least by draft time."

As for the actual draft, you'll be able to stream our live coverage right here on CBS Sports HQ (or download the CBS Sports app for free on any mobile or connected TV device) breaking down all the picks and everything you need to know during draft weekend.

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo previously reported that the Seahawks were likely to listen to trade offers for Clark, who has yet to sign the $17.1 million tag he received in March. ESPN's Adam Schefter added later that any deal for Clark would have to include a first-round pick.

As the Seattle Times reported, Seahawks general manager John Schneider said Wednesday that he anticipates Clark remaining with the team in 2019, saying "we love Frank, obviously." But he also didn't rule out the possibility of the 25-year-old defensive end playing elsewhere.

"I'm not under the impression that he won't," Schneider said when asked whether he could confirm Clark will stick around. "I don't know that he won't ... (But) we are always trying to understand what the landscape is throughout the National Football League. If we didn't, we wouldn't be doing our job. We can't ever have our head in the sand with anything."

As the Times' Bob Condotta noted, Schneider also doesn't expect Clark to hold out from organized team activities or training camp -- even though, barring the pass rusher's signature on the one-year franchise tag, Clark won't be subject to absence-related fines. Rapoport reported earlier this offseason that the former second-round pick was planning to skip all workouts, including mandatory ones, until finalizing a new contract.

Clark, who had a career-best 13 sacks in 2018, his first season as a 16-game starter, has until July 15 to strike a long-term agreement with the Seahawks. Otherwise, the pass rusher can only play in Seattle this year under the tag.

I love it... I hope the die in Cap Hell and keep whiffing on the draft.