Robert Kraft charged with solicitation in sex trafficking ring

[Mackeyser]

Slippery slopes can be found everywhere. Personally, I think it’s rather silly to try to prohibit prostitution but at what point do you then regulate. It’s not just religious decree. There are societal norms and standards that come in to play. For example, at what age is it acceptable? Should something be acceptable in our society just because is in another? etc...........

Seems the age to be able to engage in legal commerce...that's 18...makes sense. Prior to that there are statutory rape laws in many jurisdictions and even without Romeo and Juliet laws, there are plenty who don't want to see those laws go away.

But once a person is an adult in the eyes of the law...seems that's as good a place as any to start.

The first thing is that legal escort services would be allowed... with health insurance, mandatory health screenings, income tax, the ability to call the police and not be arrested...etc.

 

[Zaphod]

Slippery slopes can be found everywhere. Personally, I think it’s rather silly to try to prohibit prostitution but at what point do you then regulate. It’s not just religious decree. There are societal norms and standards that come in to play. For example, at what age is it acceptable? Should something be acceptable in our society just because is in another? etc...........

Exactly, and for that you ideally define the societal norms objectively so that they at least don’t conflict with each other(tall order). But that means less to me than a misrepresentation of the purpose and result of prohibiting something for one persons gain over others in the name of altruism(barf).

 

[Raptorman]

Actually every single article I have seen on multiple sites is clear and specific in the articles posted that she was the previous owner 6 years removed.



I had heard it was the Olympics or the World Cup.

Well if you want to believe that the 6th paragraph is making it clear................. It's certainly not clear in the headlines.

 

[OnceARam]

I can't think of a scenario where prohibition actually limits supply from meeting demand. Instead, it's just another form of theft that hurts the consumer as well as the supplier through a black market that affords extortion money for those who control enforcement.

What really baffles me is the argument to insist that supply only be allowed to meet demand for needs, and that's a historically observed slippery slope that always ends in tragedy.

Finally, from a different angle, what is it about sex (outside of religious decree) that makes it immoral to offer as a service for which there is so much demand? If you're honest about the existence of the black market, regulation rather than prohibition offers the greater solution for achieving goals as is evidenced by the recent trend to end the prohibition of a substance and the positive effect it has had on consumers, suppliers and enforcement.

Worry not, such pursuits will be well hidden and available only to the wealthiest as robotic solutions evolve to be the far more economic answer

Yeah, sex dolls are coming. Especially for all the incels and the 20 million Chinese men who have zero chance of ever having a women thanks to the female infanticide practiced by them.

And sex is more than a widget or a morality issue. It's also an energetic exchange.

 

[SWAdude]

Yeah, sex dolls are coming. Especially for all the incels and the 20 million Chinese men who have zero chance of ever having a women thanks to the female infanticide practiced by them.

And sex is more than a widget or a morality issue. It's also an energetic exchange.

Damn it!

Yet another day I should have not stopped sniffing glue.

?????????

 

[kurtfaulk]

Yeah, sex dolls are coming. Especially for all the incels and the 20 million Chinese men who have zero chance of ever having a women thanks to the female infanticide practiced by them.

And sex is more than a widget or a morality issue. It's also an energetic exchange.

in recent news articles these sex dolls are looking like real women. hopefully in a decade they will move like humans. i'll be first in line. don't have to take them out, don't have to talk to them, they're available every time i'm in the mood, they will moan on demand i guess so i feel special, they will do whatever i want, i won't hear the word no or stop that. the list is endless.

but i guess until they actually feel like a real woman when your hand runs against their skin it won't be the same and i won't be in line.

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[Elmgrovegnome]

in recent news articles these sex dolls are looking like real women. hopefully in a decade they will move like humans. i'll be first in line. don't have to take them out, don't have to talk to them, they're available every time i'm in the mood, they will moan on demand i guess so i feel special, they will do whatever i want, i won't hear the word no or stop that. the list is endless.

but i guess until they actually feel like a real woman when your hand runs against their skin it won't be the same and i won't be in line.

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The latest models are designed to talk to you and learn about you, so you become increasingly more comfortable with them. I just don't think breaking the human, robot barrier is that close yet. Being able to feel real, and move realistically doesn't seem like it will ever be possible to me. They still can't make breast implants that feel real. Then there is always the problem of maintaining/ cleaning the nether regions. Unless they made them self cleaning, I doubt the experience will ever seem real enough.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The latest models are designed to talk to you and learn about you, so you become increasingly more comfortable with them. I just don't think breaking the human, robot barrier is that close yet. Being able to feel real, and move realistically doesn't seem like it will ever be possible to me. They still can't make breast implants that feel real. Then there is always the problem of maintaining/ cleaning the nether regions. Unless they made them self cleaning, I doubt the experience will ever seem real enough.

i was in a fantasy world. nothing will ever replace touching women's skin and body parts.

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[Elmgrovegnome]

Yep. The single biggest human sex trafficking event ON THE PLANET is the Super Bowl... And it extends for hundreds of miles...so much so that a Super Bowl in Tampa could extend the sex trafficking associated with the event to North Carolina and Louisiana.

I support sex work (not with money...I also married very, very well), but politically. Free people should be able to do what they want.

But anyone who supports sex trafficking with their money is on another level of bad. And it can't be hard to figure it out. There's a difference between the outlook of "I make way more money doing this than working at the Waffle House or Walmart and it's worth the risks" versus the nightmare that is forced prostitution.

Seeing as the NFL has worked with the FBI as well as other federal and state agencies to combat sex trafficking during the Super Bowl, why this isn't seen as an extension of their efforts and they don't make an example of Kraft is beyond me... well, besides the fact that he's a rich owner and the rules don't apply to them...

I mean, except for that...

What do you mean? How is the Superbowl the biggest sex trafficking event? Do prostitutes flock to the Superbowl cities because of so many tourists being there for the game? Or do you mean abducting unwilling participants?

The legal definition of sex trafficking is: The illegal business of recruiting, transporting, harboring, obtaining, or providing a person, especially a minor for the purpose of having sex. Other than basic prostitution, how does the Superbowl relate to sex trafficking? Trafficking has a much more insidious meaning IMO. It's not as if the Super Bowl is filled with young females traveling to see the big game unaccompanied, and an easy target for abduction is it? I would think that would be the least like participant for such an event.

 

[coconut]

in recent news articles these sex dolls are looking like real women. hopefully in a decade they will move like humans. i'll be first in line. don't have to take them out, don't have to talk to them, they're available every time i'm in the mood, they will moan on demand i guess so i feel special, they will do whatever i want, i won't hear the word no or stop that. the list is endless.

but i guess until they actually feel like a real woman when your hand runs against their skin it won't be the same and i won't be in line.

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Honesty is refreshing.

 

[coconut]

I can't think of a scenario where prohibition actually limits supply from meeting demand.

Actually every prohibition limits supply from meeting demand. That is why a prohibition (a law against) exists. Since there are many people who will not take the risk of breaking the law the supply is artificially limited which substantially raises the price of the prohibited service or product.

 

[Zaphod]

Actually every prohibition limits supply from meeting demand. That is why a prohibition (a law against) exists. Since there are many people who will not take the risk of breaking the law the supply is artificially limited which substantially raises the price of the prohibited service or product.

One of the aspects of a black market is that it can’t be measured.

The very purpose of creating one is to extort suppliers which raises the cost to the consumer, but more importantly, it’s a tax that doesn’t even have to pretend to benefit the people that is provided with the threat of enforcement through taxpayer funds.

So, even those who are discouraged by the illegality of it pay for it.

 

[LesBaker]

Well if you want to believe that the 6th paragraph is making it clear................. It's certainly not clear in the headlines.

Well maybe that's the issue you don't actually read the article you only pay attention to the headline

 

[Mackeyser]

What do you mean? How is the Superbowl the biggest sex trafficking event? Do prostitutes flock to the Superbowl cities because of so many tourists being there for the game? Or do you mean abducting unwilling participants?

The legal definition of sex trafficking is: The illegal business of recruiting, transporting, harboring, obtaining, or providing a person, especially a minor for the purpose of having sex. Other than basic prostitution, how does the Superbowl relate to sex trafficking? Trafficking has a much more insidious meaning IMO. It's not as if the Super Bowl is filled with young females traveling to see the big game unaccompanied, and an easy target for abduction is it? I would think that would be the least like participant for such an event.

That's exactly what I mean.

Those who frequent or desire these services don't do it in the host city much anymore as the multi-agency enforcement has really cracked down, but they go to neighboring cities and states as far as hundreds of miles away.

And while, yes, prostitutes flock to the Super Bowl area, there are also those who bring in sex slaves by the truckload (literally packed in semi-tractor trailers) to a spot, put the word out and have the sex slaves work as much as there is business and then pack up and ship the sex slaves out.

It's gross and sordid, but yeah, it happens.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-arrests-169-in-super-bowl-sex-trafficking-sting

I won't post the article, but it's a big deal even as agencies have been actively cracking down for more than a decade...

 

[Raptorman]

Well maybe that's the issue you don't actually read the article you only pay attention to the headline

I do. A lot of people don't. That's the whole point of the headline. Make innuendos and then hope people don't actually read the or see the truth. If you notice, it's only left leaning news organizations still making an issue out of it.

 

[coconut]

One of the aspects of a black market is that it can’t be measured.

The very purpose of creating one is to extort suppliers which raises the cost to the consumer, but more importantly, it’s a tax that doesn’t even have to pretend to benefit the people that is provided with the threat of enforcement through taxpayer funds.

So, even those who are discouraged by the illegality of it pay for it.

By that reasoning anything that is illegal is a tax on taxpayers.

 

[Zaphod]

By that reasoning anything that is illegal is a tax on taxpayers.

Absolutely, the cost of enforcement should always be taken into consideration with any legislation.

 

[RamFan503]

Seems the age to be able to engage in legal commerce...that's 18...makes sense. Prior to that there are statutory rape laws in many jurisdictions and even without Romeo and Juliet laws, there are plenty who don't want to see those laws go away.

But once a person is an adult in the eyes of the law...seems that's as good a place as any to start.

The first thing is that legal escort services would be allowed... with health insurance, mandatory health screenings, income tax, the ability to call the police and not be arrested...etc.

I don’t disagree with either you or @Zaphod on this. Right now there is a push, however, by a few states to lower the voting age to 16. And if some think I’m going down a political road on this, no I’m not. My only point with that is the thought that our societal norms of what constitutes “consenting adult” could change as well. Y’know... slippery slope and all.

 

[RamFan503]

it's only left leaning news organizations still making an issue out of it.

Use caution when making statements as to left, right, liberal, conservative, etc.

 

[wild ram]

i was in a fantasy world. nothing will ever replace touching women's skin and body parts.

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Well I went to a massage parlor and was the only one touched. I ordered the Robert craft and it was an enjoyable Ending.

Just glad no cameras, but then again not sure what will happen when I go back . Lol - maybe I will get a 2nd count .