Robert Kraft charged with solicitation in sex trafficking ring

[Soul Surfer]

I don't know what I'm talking about.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery.

 

[1maGoh]

It's entrapment but they got away with it I'm sure.

It's only entrapment if a normal person would do the same thing under the same circumstances.

For example, leaving a laptop in an unlocked car and waiting for someone to steal it is not entrapment. Most people just walk by. Most people understand that you don't go into other people's cars and take their stuff just because you can. Criminals try to see of the car is unlocked and then take the laptop.

Leaving a laptop in it's case on a park bench and arresting someone for picking it up is entrapment. There are multiple motives possible for grabbing the laptop. Maybe they wanted to see if they could return it. Maybe they planned on taking it to the police. No one knows.

Making jacking off motions at someone does not typically really in that person offering to be paid for sex. Most people aren't going to see that and say to themselves "hey, I can make 100 bucks here by giving this guy a hand job!" Prostitutes respond that way. Therefore, there's a very low likelihood of that being classified as entrapment.

This from the department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements

Entrapment is a complete defense to a criminal charge, on the theory that "Government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant in an innocent person's mind the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the Government may prosecute." Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540, 548 (1992). A valid entrapment defense has two related elements: (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct. Mathews v. United States, 485 U.S. 58, 63 (1988). Of the two elements, predisposition is by far the more important.

Inducement is the threshold issue in the entrapment defense. Mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451 (1932). Nor does the government's use of artifice, stratagem, pretense, or deceit establish inducement. Id. at 441. Rather, inducement requires a showing of at least persuasion or mild coercion, United States v. Nations, 764 F.2d 1073, 1080 (5th Cir. 1985); pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship, ibid.; or extraordinary promises of the sort "that would blind the ordinary person to his legal duties," United States v. Evans, 924 F.2d 714, 717 (7th Cir. 1991).

 

[coconut]

he went back and paid over $100 (plus more at the front desk) for a freakin' handjob.

My DIY is saving me a fortune.

 

[LesBaker]

My DIY is saving me a fortune.

How much today?

 

[coconut]

How much today?

I still have feeling in my hand.

 

[LesBaker]

I still have feeling in my hand.

I'm going to have to start a spreadsheet now that I think of it.

 

[Raptorman]

Wouldn't that mean the workers there would know there were cameras installed?

Here in this area a few years back the local police decided to go after some massage parlors. The story I heard, and it sounds like it's very possible, is that they went online and found review sites for massage parlors and targeted those where reviewers had said there was sex available, how good or bad it was and what the rate was. The officers would go in and after awhile getting a normal massage they made jacking off motions with their hand to see if the ladies would offer sex. It's entrapment but they got away with it I'm sure.

Last year on this coast police working in several areas together managed to make arrests in 16 parlors from Sarasota down to Naples, all owned by the same couple. A Chinese woman and her American husband. They shuffled workers around and the investigation was phasing into whether or not they were involved in human trafficking.

One thing I think is important to say is that the human trafficking aspect is disgusting beyond the pale and those people should be getting the death penalty. But it isn't all like that.

In the case of the place that was in the plaza I used to work in it was strictly a business. The women working there had decent cars and probably lived in a decent place. We figured that at the average cost (we Googled it LOL) and from the look of the traffic they were making an awful lot of money.

Nope. They can put cameras in and you would never know they were there. I'm sure that's how they caught Kraft. Most people would never notice a new smoke alarm on the ceiling or if they did, just dismiss it as though they never noticed it before. That's just one thing they could hid it in.

 

[1maGoh]

Nope. They can put cameras in and you would never know they were there. I'm sure that's how they caught Kraft. Most people would never notice a new smoke alarm on the ceiling or if they did, just dismiss it as though they never noticed it before. That's just one thing they could hid it in.

Not enough people have a healthy level of paranoia.

 

[LesBaker]

Nope. They can put cameras in and you would never know they were there. I'm sure that's how they caught Kraft. Most people would never notice a new smoke alarm on the ceiling or if they did, just dismiss it as though they never noticed it before. That's just one thing they could hid it in.

So that's not actually a search warrant, this was a big enough deal that they got surveillance permissions.

Whoa, that means they are tracking women that have been forced into this type of thing.........yikes.

At some point flight records will reveal how often Kraft was going down there to get his genitals manipulated and then wiped down with a towel.

Then, TMZ will have the video.

And that will be the end of his NFL career.

 

[Akrasian]

So that's not actually a search warrant, this was a big enough deal that they got surveillance permissions.

Whoa, that means they are tracking women that have been forced into this type of thing.........yikes.

At some point flight records will reveal how often Kraft was going down there to get his genitals manipulated and then wiped down with a towel.

Then, TMZ will have the video.

And that will be the end of his NFL career.

Well, again - he owns a residence nearby. There's a good chance it's his legal residence for tax purposes, not the cape cod home.

He was getting hand jobs apparently, this wasn't a unique place that he traveled many miles to - just a place a little off the beaten track from his Florida home, but still minutes away.

While he should have been aware of the sex trafficking aspects of the place, it's likely he is just a serious dumbass. He's likely to have a couple of convictions on his record now, will have to serve a token sentence and a bunch of public service time - and then the NFL can go to town on him. Oh, and can you imagine the signs people will bring to Pats away games? Woohoo!

 

[LesBaker]

Well, again - he owns a residence nearby. There's a good chance it's his legal residence for tax purposes, not the cape cod home.

He was getting hand jobs apparently, this wasn't a unique place that he traveled many miles to - just a place a little off the beaten track from his Florida home, but still minutes away.

While he should have been aware of the sex trafficking aspects of the place, it's likely he is just a serious dumbass. He's likely to have a couple of convictions on his record now, will have to serve a token sentence and a bunch of public service time - and then the NFL can go to town on him. Oh, and can you imagine the signs people will bring to Pats away games? Woohoo!

I hadn't thought of the signs at games.

That could be fantastic.

Check that.

It WILL be fantastic.

 

[dang]

Ill start. ‘Even Billionaires need a helping hand every once in a while!!’

 

[Raptorman]

Ill start. ‘Even Billionaires need a helping hand every once in a while!!’

I wonder if Tom Brady ever gave him a "Helping hand"?

 

[Raptorman]

"Hi there Mr. Kraft!'

 

[TSFH Fan]

Wait . . . signs????

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

It makes me wonder. What motivates Kraft or any famous person to go this route? Is it just easier to get a quickie with no strings attached, than dating some gold digger trying to get your millions? These old farts who aren't really handsome have to know that the beautiful young women that happen to be with them aren't in it for love. Maybe he's tired of the empty feeling, and empty wallet.

It reminds me of Darren Sharper and his roofie incident. I always figured a rich, good looking athlete would have little trouble hooking up, filthy rich businessmen also. What gives?

 

[XXXIVwin]

It reminds me of Darren Sharper and his roofie incident.

Totally agree with your premise— rich and good looking, so no problem hooking up, right?

However— Darren Sharper is different. He’s clearly a sick MF. He gets off on drugging and raping women... it’s not that he “can’t” get women to sleep with him, it’s more that he seemed to “prefer” drugging and raping them. Sick...

Sorry... back to your regularly scheduled programming of humiliating Robert Kraft.

 

[dieterbrock]

It makes me wonder. What motivates Kraft or any famous person to go this route? Is it just easier to get a quickie with no strings attached, than dating some gold digger trying to get your millions? These old farts who aren't really handsome have to know that the beautiful young women that happen to be with them aren't in it for love. Maybe he's tired of the empty feeling, and empty wallet.

It reminds me of Darren Sharper and his roofie incident. I always figured a rich, good looking athlete would have little trouble hooking up, filthy rich businessmen also. What gives?

Well he also makes enough money to have a Wagyu burger delivered to him via drone whenever he wants,but I’m sure he just hits the drive thru at Mickie D’s like the rest of us.

 

[coconut]

Wait . . . signs????
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Gives "spongebob" a whole new meaning.

 

[Selassie I]

Sign idea...

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