Re-sign Saffold?

[OldSchool]

Isn't it nice though being able to have a healthy debate about this topic in the preseason instead of wondering if our team is going to suck or be good

 

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https://ramsondemand.com/threads/jamon-brown.54202/page-3#post-1073193

https://ramsondemand.com/threads/back-up-offense-lineman.53991/page-5#post-1059515

https://ramsondemand.com/threads/back-up-offense-lineman.53991/page-5#post-1059239

Sooooo.....you're saying this was all previously covered? LOL

It was covered well I might add.

 

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Isn't it nice though being able to have a healthy debate about this topic in the preseason instead of wondering if our team is going to suck or be good

Healthy except for that part about @ReekofRams no longer trusting @jrry32 .....

Deep stuff. If theres no trust....whats the point....what are we even doing here? :sadwalk:

 

[BonifayRam]

Isn't it nice though being able to have a healthy debate about this topic in the preseason instead of wondering if our team is going to suck or be good

I always look forward to having good friendly discussions & debates about the Rams. I am still trying to make for all the previous decades when I had nobody down here in Florida to discuss the Rams with. I sure did not want to discuss the Bucs & Phins any more.

 

[fearsomefour]

Look at recent free agent signings and you tell me. Richburg with his injury history got a huge contract among others. Using your logic just because another team has a lot of cap space and their GM signs bad contracts do you want Snead to do the same? You and others are forgetting something I think. Jeff, myself and others love bog Roger, we just don't think he'll be worth a big contract he would get when he hits free agency.

If Saffold is as good as last year and is healthy he will get a big offer somewhere. Big money.
Maybe he would split. Maybe he would stay and enjoy winning where he has battled and struggled for so long. Who knows?

 

[BonifayRam]

Sooooo.....you're saying this was all previously covered? LOL

It was covered well I might add.

I rarely miss the opportunity to wear out this forum on a healthy good discussion on the subject "Rams OL". If its not covered well then I have failed.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Let Saffold walk. He's 30 years old with a long injury history. Try to keep Hav and Jamon.

Saffold is a borderline pro bowler who has actually gotten better every year.
That's the kind of guy you want lining up at left guard when you have a new left tackle being developed.

Overall, I think, the, "long injury history" thing is highly overrated.
One of them was a freak injury on an interception return.
The other two were deficiencies in his shoulders which were repaired and we were told they would be better than they were prior.

I can't think of an injury he has had at all since his shoulder repairs.

You need that vet anchor next to the left tackle.

Right tackles are not that hard to develop from 3rd Rounders.

Jamon Brown is not as good as Rodger Saffold.

If we extend Rodger Saffold until he's 32 or 33, I think that would be a smart move.

 

[fearsomefour]

https://ramsondemand.com/threads/jamon-brown.54202/page-3#post-1073193

https://ramsondemand.com/threads/back-up-offense-lineman.53991/page-5#post-1059515

I see the Rams making a strong effort to resign veteran Jamon Brown to a long term contract instead of Rodger Saffold. Brown LG stands a very good chance to be paired up with Joe Noteboom LT on the left side. I see veteran Rob Havenstien RT being paired up with 2nd yr youngster Jamil Demby RG on the right side. With Brian Allen replacing John Sullivan @ OC.

I'm sure that how it looks on the white board.
Don't know if any of the yikes my guys can play in the NFL yet.
I don't think Brown or Havenstein have earned big money yet. This year will go a long way to determine who stays. Brown is still the weak link on the line pass blocking. But, he has more room for improvement. More than Havenstein I think. Havenstein size gives him trouble with speed rushers that get low. Doubt that will ever go away. He would probably be well serves to lose 30 lbs. He lists at 328 lbs but considering he is 6' 8" his weight now is probably closer to 350 lbs. He could lose weight and not lose strength.
As always, comes down to drafting.
The new Rams staff has done a good job developing who was here and bringing in Blythe. Saw nothing from their batch of rookies. This preseason will be interesting as I love watching OL play.

 

[OldSchool]

If Saffold is as good as last year and is healthy he will get a big offer somewhere. Big money.
Maybe he would split. Maybe he would stay and enjoy winning where he has battled and struggled for so long. Who knows?

And not being a dick, or at least not trying to , but you notice how you qualify statements of support for Roger with if? That's the issue for most of us, to many questions for a 30 year old lineman go give big money. Then move on to maybe he would take a "friendly deal". That deal is what the rest of us are arguing for btw, I think jrry said a 2/12 million, I likely would say somewhere in the 2/10 or 3/12 with all the guaranteed in the first year or two. There are too many questions, too much history and too much risk in giving a guy like Roger a big contract like some have suggested.

 

[fearsomefour]

Saffold is a borderline pro bowler who has actually gotten better every year.
That's the kind of guy you want lining up at left guard when you have a new left tackle being developed.

Overall, I think, the, "long injury history" thing is highly overrated.
One of them was a freak injury on an interception return.
The other two were deficiencies in his shoulders which were repaired and we were told they would be better than they were prior.

I can't think of an injury he has had at all since his shoulder repairs.

You need that vet anchor next to the left tackle.

Right tackles are not that hard to develop from 3rd Rounders.

Jamon Brown is not as good as Rodger Saffold.

Saffold was always injured before his shoulders. He was also generally good while on the field. This offense fits his strengths well. In particular blocking on the move, being aggressive run blocking, screen passes etc.
Brown is not in Saffolds class.
Would love to see Saffold come back on a short deal. 3 years? I could see some team offering him 5 years $50M however if he repeats his level of play from last year. At that point it depends on guarantees and structure of the deal.....and if Saffold is truely happy now with the Rams.
No position is "easy" to develop.

 

[fearsomefour]

And not being a dick, or at least not trying to , but you notice how you qualify statements of support for Roger with if? That's the issue for most of us, to many questions for a 30 year old lineman go give big money. Then move on to maybe he would take a "friendly deal". That deal is what the rest of us are arguing for btw, I think jrry said a 2/12 million, I likely would say somewhere in the 2/10 or 3/12 with all the guaranteed in the first year or two. There are too many questions, too much history and too much risk in giving a guy like Roger a big contract like some have suggested.

I don't disagree.
The "what ifs" are involved in every contract for every player.
Him being 30 is not a concern to me for an interior lineman.
I can't see Saffold taking a pay cut to stay.
Extending maybe.
The Rams have to hit on Noteboom and have either Allen or Blythe (or someone yet to be drafted) step up as a starter on the interior line to not have setbacks along with the in the next year or two.

 

[ReekofRams]

Healthy except for that part about @ReekofRams no longer trusting @jrry32 .....

Deep stuff. If theres no trust....whats the point....what are we even doing here? :sadwalk:

When we find that someone exaggerates the facts for their own agenda, then it becomes tough to believe other facts they post. But a after much thought I know we all screw up, so everyone deserves a second chance, and he had good points, as I'm sure he will have in the future.

 

[fearsomefour]

I rarely miss the opportunity to wear out this forum on a healthy good discussion on the subject "Rams OL". If its not covered well then I have failed.

The OL is my favorite part of preseason and the threads associated with it.
Love looking for those diamonds in the dog shit, so to speak.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Proven vs. unproven. I'd rather they go with what they know.

 

[OldSchool]

I don't disagree.
The "what ifs" are involved in every contract for every player. Some more than others
Him being 30 is not a concern to me for an interior lineman. It's real though, whether it concerns you or not
I can't see Saffold taking a pay cut to stay. Neither can most of us
Extending maybe.
The Rams have to hit on Noteboom and have either Allen or Blythe (or someone yet to be drafted) step up as a starter on the interior line to not have setbacks along with the in the next year or two. There is a reason the guy we're calling a genius after his first year of coaching along with Aaron Kromer selected them. Trust in the genius.

Answered each with the bolded.

 

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When we find that someone exaggerates the facts for their own agenda, then it becomes tough to believe other facts they post. But a after much thought I know we all screw up, so everyone deserves a second chance, and he had good points, as I'm sure he will have in the future.

You arent alone. And I was just kidding. Proof that I was kidding is that I have been not trusting Jerry for around 9 years. Pretty sure he wouldnt have any other way.

In California, thats considered a relationship. lol

Pull up a chair and settle yourself in. We all trust each other once the Tailgating starts.

 

[OldSchool]

Proven vs. unproven. I'd rather they go with what they know.

They know Noteboom, Demby, Allen, Neary, Blythe and Eldrenkamp to draft or sign them, incidentally just like Whitworth and Sullivan being their choices. And they're going to know them over the course of this year and will make the decision. There is a reason they drafted those 3 guys on the OLine. People keep saying trust in the people who rebuilt 2016's horrible OLine to what we had last year but don't seem to want to trust them if they go with this years rookie class over guys on the 2017 line. I'm confused by this.

 

[bubbaramfan]

I'm so jaded with the past crappy OLines and the revolving door of vets and busted draft picks. I can't help being leary. Jason Brown, Greg Bell, Davin Joseph, Jason Smith, GRob, Cody Wichmann, Andrew Donnal and that's only half of the crappy O linemen that Ran through the OL over the pas 14 years.
Finnally last year the Rams fielded an OL that kicked ass, opened holes for Gurly, picked up blitz', gave Goff time to make his reads and could even call plays with a 7 step drop.

Having to let good players walk because of money really pizzes me off. I get its a fact of business in the NFL.

 

[fearsomefour]

Answered each with the bolded.

Ok.
So we agree.
The problem with contracts is they are all about projection.
Either projecting past production to continue or projecting future production that hasn't been there yet.
All contracts have a shot at being deemed bad contracts in hindsight. Even if signing the contract made sense.
If Gurley re injuries his knee as badly as his first injury would the guarantees in his deal be deemed bad while making sense at the time? Yep.
Resigning Saffold makes sense.
Breaking the bank for Saffold (because of the issues you raised) does not.

 

[Loyal]

Look at recent free agent signings and you tell me. Richburg with his injury history got a huge contract among others. Using your logic just because another team has a lot of cap space and their GM signs bad contracts do you want Snead to do the same? You and others are forgetting something I think. Jeff, myself and others love bog Roger, we just don't think he'll be worth a big contract he would get when he hits free agency.

I guess we are both playing the odds. We both examine information and get different results, as do teams in FA examining older players..”Will XYZ player be healthy enough over the age of 30 to make an offer worth it for our team?” From the outside looking in, I would have the same POV as you do about signing FA’s with an injury history. But I have concentrated on the Rams the last few years and have watched line play, where I haven’t done for other team’s FA’s. To me, I don’t think Saffold’s surgically repaired shoulders will be a problem for him the rest of his career, mostly because of dimly remembered medical experts at the time saying the success rate was very high for these types of surgery/replacements. Could he have other ailments? Sure. Everyone playing this sport get’s nicks from time to time. I’ll trust our Docs if they inform the team that he isn’t healthy enough for a deal, which will be apparent if they let him walk. I just know that we are getting the production from him now which will be difficult to replace, and it will pain me to see him giving it for several more years, elsewhere.