Rank the HC Openings / Candidates

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Very interesting season with both Harbaugh and Tomlin moving on. I saw an interview with a guy from the Athletic who explained a discussion he participated in recently about ranking the job openings. What his particular discussion decided was what makes the job valuable. QB, Ownership, Roster. Sounds good.

1. Baltimore, franchise QB, good ownership, good roster
2. NY Giants, good ownership, possibly franchise QB, good roster
3. Atlanta, roster, ownership, QB?????????
4. Pittsburgh, ownership
5. Tennessee, QB
6. Miami, roster
7. Arizona
8. Cleveland
9. Las Vegas

Las Vegas has the #1 pick so there's that.

Best candidates?

Harbaugh
Tomlin
Stefanski
McCarthy
Daboll ???
Flores ???
McDanials ???
Saleh ???
Nagy ???

Minter ???
Shula ???
Klint Kubiak ???
Mike LaFleur ???
Hafley ???
Scheelhaase ???

Who else???
 
PARAM said:
1. Baltimore, franchise QB, good ownership, good roster
2. NY Giants, good ownership, possibly franchise QB, good roster
3. Atlanta, roster, ownership, QB?????????
4. Pittsburgh, ownership
5. Tennessee, QB
6. Miami, roster
7. Arizona
8. Cleveland
9. Las Vegas
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Owner quality would be the most important thing to me. If you have a strong owner and you can hold your own as a coach good things are ahead. So I'd go...

1. Pittsburgh. Strong ownership, best option this year for a coach.

2. Baltimore. Better front office than Pittsburgh, it's close but I put them second.

3. Atlanta. Owner might be too nice, but he'd be a solid dude to work for.

4. New York Giants. Not a huge fan of the owner but he's not an idiot and not a meddler.

5. Las Vegas. With Bowlcut ceding operational control to Tommy Boy, I think Vegas jumps a bit.

6. Miami. Don't know too much about the Miami owner, but at least he had the brains to fire McD.

7. Arizona. Their GM has improved but the Bidwells are a stupid bunch.

8. Tennessee. New owner is a bit of an unknown, has already fired two GMs and let Vrabel walk.

9. Cleveland. Cesspool of the universe.
 
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The Pittsburgh Steelers usually go outside the box hire. I will take a stab as I think they will hire an offensive Head Coach and if he gets an interview I believe he will wow Mr. Rooney. Davis Webb.
 
thought I read somewhere that Tomlin is considering taking a year off
 
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The Pittsburgh Steelers usually go outside the box hire. I will take a stab as I think they will hire an offensive Head Coach and if he gets an interview I believe he will wow Mr. Rooney. Davis Webb.
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Said the dude with stories to tell of the 4th most recent Steelers coach (1960’s Bill Austin) :laugh1:
 
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Tumak61 said:
Watching fans rank who's the best candidate is comical at best. Mcvay wouldn't even make the list when the Rams hired him.
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Nah, there was a lot of buzz about him. I remember a lot of fans buying in and not wanting him to leave without a contract. His next interview was San Francisco.
 
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IMO, ranking the QB as the first factor is short-sighted. Ownership should be the #1 factor as that will be in place as a foundation for decades.

And they don't even list what I would consider the second most important factor: front office, which is distinct from ownership.

The Rams are super fortunate because they have Kroenke as one of the best owners but also a strong front office in Demoff, Snead, and Pastoors.

The only two real attractive jobs are Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They're 1 & 2, in whatever order you want.

The other jobs are attractive in the sense that being an NFL head coach is a rare opportunity that will pay millions, but most likely with the majority of these franchises, whoever is hired in this cycle will be out of a job in a few years.
 
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DzRams said:
IMO, ranking the QB as the first factor is short-sighted. Ownership should be the #1 factor as that will be in place as a foundation for decades.

And they don't even list what I would consider the second most important factor: front office, which is distinct from ownership.

The Rams are super fortunate because they have Kroenke as one of the best owners but also a strong front office in Demoff, Snead, and Pastoors.

The only two real attractive jobs are Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They're 1 & 2, in whatever order you want.

The other jobs are attractive in the sense that being an NFL head coach is a rare opportunity that will pay millions, but most likely with the majority of these franchises, whoever is hired in this cycle will be out of a job in a few years.
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Without the QB, your chances of winning lessen considerably. I believe the QB either has to be in place or the chances/draft slot are such that you'll bring one in immediately. Ownership is great for longevity and development but without the wins, unless it's Pittsburgh, you're gone anyway. Front office/roster are heavily connected. A good roster usually means a good front office and vice versa.
 
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My guesses:

Harbaugh (NY Giants)
Tomlin (TV)
Stefanski (Atlanta)
Daboll (Arizona)
Flores (Pittsburgh)
Kubiak (Baltimore)
Minter (Tennessee)
McDanial (Las Vegas)
Shula (Miami)
Scheelhaase (Cleveland)
 
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DzRams said:
IMO, ranking the QB as the first factor is short-sighted. Ownership should be the #1 factor as that will be in place as a foundation for decades.

And they don't even list what I would consider the second most important factor: front office, which is distinct from ownership.

The Rams are super fortunate because they have Kroenke as one of the best owners but also a strong front office in Demoff, Snead, and Pastoors.

The only two real attractive jobs are Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They're 1 & 2, in whatever order you want.

The other jobs are attractive in the sense that being an NFL head coach is a rare opportunity that will pay millions, but most likely with the majority of these franchises, whoever is hired in this cycle will be out of a job in a few years.
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Correct. You can get a job with a dumbfuck owner and end up with the QB via whatever means and win a Super Bowl then end up being replaced by one of the coordinators that dumbfuck owner or her clown car front office thinks deserves more credit than you do for the build. Yes that's a Rams reference. Or any other stupid decision the worst owners tend to make.

So if the owner's bad the question of "is the QB there" isn't all that meaningful. Because stupid always finds a way to fuck up a good thing. Just like what we saw with Vermiel's build of the hapless Rams in the late 90s. That would have been a much longer window of winning and mattering if the owner had a clue. But we had a bad owner.

This is why I never overlook ownership quality now. Everything starts from the top. Look at Kroenke... He hired Les Snead as his GM after taking over the team, and that year hired the best coach on the carousel in Fisher. Had to fire him, but that 7-9 bullshit was improvement over what came before, and his next hire of McVay was a grand slam. You could give a dumb bitch owner like Georgia a coach of McVay's quality and she'd find a way to fuck it up. He would end up leaving for some reason. Not set up the organization as the best in the league year to year.
 
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PARAM said:
Without the QB, your chances of winning lessen considerably. I believe the QB either has to be in place or the chances/draft slot are such that you'll bring one in immediately. Ownership is great for longevity and development but without the wins, unless it's Pittsburgh, you're gone anyway. Front office/roster are heavily connected. A good roster usually means a good front office and vice versa.
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I agree that the QB is vitally important. I liken it the essential elements of a house: foundation (ownership), frame (front office / HC), and roof (QB). You really have nothing without all three.

But in terms of attractiveness of a job, I'd want a stable foundation in ownership. Jeff Fisher was a mid coach but Kroenke gave him 5 years to establish his program. Most of these bad organizations are making coaching and front office changes every one to two years. They'll never succeed that way.
 
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