Ramsey traded to Miami for ‘23 3rd rd pick(#77 overall) and TE Hunter Long

[El Chapo Jr]

I'll keep saying my preference is to keep Ramsey. If Durant steps up and we have him, that gives us a formidable secondary. I've always been a believer that cap dollars can also be manipulated, but I'm no fortune teller. At this point, it's just wait and see with a whole lot of guessing what the next moves will be.

 

[WestCoastRam]

What will really blow peoples minds on here is if we don't get a package we like for Ramsey and we keep him. People will argue that we never were shopping him in the first place.

 

[Allen2McVay]

What will really blow peoples minds on here is if we don't get a package we like for Ramsey and we keep him. People will argue that we never were shopping him in the first place.

 

[PhillyRam]

I don't pretend to be a Capologist. Part of it would be restructuring Kupps contract I imagine.... As for the Oline, draft the best Oline available in the 2nd round. Look at guys like Taylor Lewan to see if he/they have anything left. Getting rid of a cornerstone player at this point is admitting that you don't aspire to win another Super Bowl with this group, IMO. If that's so, don't eff around and just blow it up.

Nonsense. You can build a "cornerstone" by solidifying the OL in front of Stafford.

The same thing KC did when they dealt a "cornerstone player" in Tyreke Hill. Used money to beef up the OL and somehow they went 14-3 and won a SB.

And again, just "imagining" to restructure deals is nice and all, but you are essentially burying the team next yr with their very poor cap situation next season. You would just put off a yr of removing multiple cornerstone players.

To restructure deals you need to plan how those deals affect the cap in future yrs.

 

[PhillyRam]

What will really blow peoples minds on here is if we don't get a package we like for Ramsey and we keep him. People will argue that we never were shopping him in the first place.

No, it will just be a missed opportunity.

I think they feel they need to trade him. If they get no offers yeah then they may decide they have to keep him and just gut the roster elsewhere to just improve cap health a little. Players like Allen, Noteboom, and Higbee might be cut or traded. Then try to roll with a bunch of mid and late round picks in hopes of improving.

To me that plan, minus any legit outside FA help, means there is less of an opportunity to compete the last few yrs of Stafford & Donald's contracts.

 

[PhillyRam]

Hitting on a pass rusher would do wonders for our secondary. Regardless of what happens with Ramsey. It would be the ideal pick to hit on there in round 2.

Agree. The FA/ Draft focus to me would be along both lines. Once again the playoffs show you need to control the line of scrimmage.

The top 4 teams all had very good OL's & DL's. Secondaries being...well...secondary.

 

[thirteen28]

Let's first point out that Overthecap.com shows that we are currently listed as being 14.8M over the 23' cap

We are also shown as being over the 24' cap by $3M and that's with only 36 players under contract. Thus we are at least over the 24' cap by about$ 18M-$20M minimum. Likely will be much more after this yrs FA period. So more like $25-30M.

So back to Ramsey. His cap savings on a trade would be $5.6M this year and his entire cap hit of $28M next yr. That's $33.6M of 23' & 24' cap savings.

I have stated this many times, but I will say it again.

So by opening up $28M in 24' cap space it now gives you room to restructure Kupp's contract and push money from this yr to next by converting a large portion of his 23' base salary into bonus money. That then gets spread out over the remaining 4 yrs of his deal. Probably could open up $10-$12M for 23' by doing that.

The remaining portion of the $25M is releasing Wagner & Floyd minus the $14.8M they are in the hole for now in 23' cap room.

That's why I am saying without moving Ramsey they may have $10M in cap room with those other moves only. However, moving him allows for Kupp's restructure and likley a few others to take place, opening up $10-15M more in 23' cap space.

And again, I say that because moving Ramsey opens up $28M in 24' cap room, making it more sensible to push 23' cap $$ to 24' without crushing the 24' cap.

To summarize trading Ramsey

Current cap space -14.8M
Ramsey 23' savings +5.6M
Floyd post Jun. +15.5M
Wagner post Jun. +8M
23' restructures. +10M

Total. +24.7 cap room

Reality is you could likely restructure more in 23' with the elimination of Ranswys 24' 28M cap hit.

Keeping Ramsey
Current cap space -14.8M
Floyd post Jun. +15.5M
Wagner post Jun. +8M

Total. +8.7M cap room

Probably would still try to restructure some contracts, further crushing the future cap, but this is where I see the major diff regarding cap room.

And again in 24' we currently are $3M over the projected cap and with only 36 players under contract.. Even if you avg only $1M per player for the remaining 17 roster spots, that's $20M over before any 23' incentive bonuses are paid and that's assuming no high priced FAs are being signed this yr.

So hard to restructure contracts this yr to push money into next yr. Even Floyd's and Wagner's releases won't help more than $10-15M next yr since they are both likley to be post June designated releases. So they will carry some cap spending into next yrs cap as well.

I'm old enough to remember when you didn't need a CPA to follow football.

 

[Loyal]

And again it shows how important your offense and your QB is. As soon as they lost Purdy that game was over.

If Ramsey was on the Niners and he got hurt in that game, is the game over when he goes down?

No, but it is when a mediocre young QB went down.

Thanks for illustrating the importance of positions.

I never said any different, so there is no "gotcha" here. I never said that CB is more important than the QB. I do believe in balance, which means playing bombs away on offence and getting rolled on defense makes for high scoring games, and bad football, IMO.

 

[Loyal]

Nonsense. You can build a "cornerstone" by solidifying the OL in front of Stafford.

The same thing KC did when they dealt a "cornerstone player" in Tyreke Hill. Used money to beef up the OL and somehow they went 14-3 and won a SB.

And again, just "imagining" to restructure deals is nice and all, but you are essentially burying the team next yr with their very poor cap situation next season. You would just put off a yr of removing multiple cornerstone players.

To restructure deals you need to plan how those deals affect the cap in future yrs.

Again, your opinion doesn't make my opinion wrong. We are fans and the economics of running the team is Demoff/Snead's job.

 

[Corbin]

These posters who are crying right now are really gonna be squealin' when the return is not what they expect.

One of them is going to be me! Lol

I’m on one right now thinking we get #7 and #70 from the Raiders for Ramsey

Don’t know if that’s comedy time or realistic? Lol

 

[thirteen28]

These posters who are crying right now are really gonna be squealin' when the return is not what they expect.

Man, I wish Bill O'Brien was running a team somewhere. We could probably extract more for Ramsey than we gave up to get him.

 

[WestCoastRam]

No, it will just be a missed opportunity.

I think they feel they need to trade him. If they get no offers yeah then they may decide they have to keep him and just gut the roster elsewhere to just improve cap health a little. Players like Allen, Noteboom, and Higbee might be cut or traded. Then try to roll with a bunch of mid and late round picks in hopes of improving.

To me that plan, minus any legit outside FA help, means there is less of an opportunity to compete the last few yrs of Stafford & Donald's contracts.

So they should take a substandard trade package cause... cause... it's an opportunity. I'm sure they've placed a value on Ramsey, I hope they get it, I hope they get above it but I don't want them accepting a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year just cause it's an opportunity nor do I think they will either. This front office has maneuvered well and maneuvered poorly but they haven't been stupid about it.

(FWIW, I think a low 1st rounder 20-32 or a package of picks that starts with a 2nd this year will be what it takes for the Rams.)

 

[FarNorth]

[QUOTE="El Chapo Jr, post: 1690294, Most of us are arguing that if we truly are going all in, why get rid of a stud corner instead of extending him?
[/QUOTE]
Agree. This is the Rams dilemma now. They are being pushed into a new path forward— what could be called a rebuild— by circumstances, one decision at a time.

Rams built a Super Bowl champion by having a small core of great, experienced players, with the rest of the roster backfilled with lower round picks and opportunistic signings. The model worked in 2021 but fell apart last year. They lost not only Whit but Miller from that team. Now they have lost Wagner and may be “losing” Ramsey.

So the old model may be kaput, because the circumstances now may be that they are better off filling other holes in the roster rather than keeping a star (pun intended) cb who was crucial to a championship.

These may well be the right decisions but they are unlikely to result in Rams contending for the Super Bowl this year. Of course, neither might any other path forward right now.

 

[Corbin]

Man, I wish Bill O'Brien was running a team somewhere. We could probably extract more for Ramsey than we gave up to get him.

Good news, Josh McDaniels is running the Raiders! Lol

 

[PhillyRam]

Again, your opinion doesn't make my opinion wrong. We are fans and the economics of running the team is Demoff/Snead's job.

Obviously....and we are expressing our opinions.

 

[PhillyRam]

I never said any different, so there is no "gotcha" here. I never said that CB is more important than the QB. I do believe in balance, which means playing bombs away on offence and getting rolled on defense makes for high scoring games, and bad football, IMO.

Well, I do believe in building both lines. That is where I would prioritize adding to the defense.

 

[XXXIVwin]

but I'm no fortune teller

What about the supernatural tingling balls....?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

What about the supernatural tingling balls....?

Ok you got me!

 

[OnceARam]

Kinda reminds me when we traded our leader Goff and how that ended…

Gurley was always the Alpha on the offensive side of the ball (by a country mile).

 

[OnceARam]

How is that ? Really, you have paid attention to Jalen Ramsey’s career & person?
Do you understand what Sean Mcvay brought with him when he first became The Rams HC. Players wore it just as a reminder.
I think if you haven’t paid attention then you’re missing the BIG PICTURE!!
Example- where is Jalen Ramsey’s value right now? Do I think Jalen Ramsey is going to be a HOF player? Then again do I notice a lot of the little things?

I’ve been a Jalen Ramsey Fan.I’ve enjoyed him as a Ram.I love the way he has grown as a MAN & PLAYER!!!
The Rams keeping JR vs trading JR makes way to much sense,not to trade him.
In FACT Jalen is actually looking forward to Change!! He never was going to be a forever Ram!!

Want to talk AD99?? Where the Clown Show?? There is a BIG difference.

I am talking about play on the field. Just think how bad our secondary would be without Ramsey...

In terms of drama, which is what I think you are referring to, he has been a model citizen while on the Rams.

And yes, he has a LOT of trade value (estimated 1st + 4th, from what I understand). And yes, he would be in contention for HOF consideration, especially now that he has a ring.

The problem is that we will not be in contention to win the NFC West without a healthy JR + AD. By trading away either you are essentially entering a rebuild - aka a bad product on the field - aka a fucking clown show for years to come.

Today, we are still in "the window" to be in contention (barring injury and assuming a re-built OL, which is in the realm of possibility).

Where do our viewpoints differ?