Ramsey traded to Miami for ‘23 3rd rd pick(#77 overall) and TE Hunter Long

[El Chapo Jr]

Bro you think this getting out there is an accident? Nope. They FO isn’t going to come out and say it. Also, when is the optimum time to let everybody know he’s on the open market? Not before the draft FA already happened and you have to pay bonuses by then, beginning of the league year is the time to do it and you have to give yourself enough time to work with other FO’s before the new league starts.

This is how you do business this time of year.

That being said it takes two to tango. Obviously only our FO knows who, what, where but I’d imagine two very good teams with ammo that would trade for Ramsey is the Lions and Raiders if I had to guess.

Yeah it's not getting out there by accident but it could be BS too. Just like AD retiring. We just don't know until it really goes down. Is it possible for the Rams to keep Ramsey if they get shitty offers? We don't really know.

 

[PhillyRam]

Yeah I get that part but draft picks take time to develop is the issue. If we had a younger version of AD Kupp, and or Stafford, it's easier to say do it.

Which is why they need the $25M of cap space that a Ramsey trade could ultimately allow them to create for this yr.

 

[PhillyRam]

I'll be honest, have no idea about that one, but I'd imagine they'd want to keep one of their DBs if true. Are u thinking he could be a target if Ramsey is indeed traded? I'd think he'd go to the highest bidder but at this rate my guess is as good as any hahaha

Slay is way overrated... I would want no part of him

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Which is why they need the $25M of cap space that a Ramsey trade could ultimately allow them to create for this yr.

My understanding is they only get a little over 5 mil this year. Where are u getting this 25 mil from?

 

[Riverumbbq]

Got it an almost full on rebuild for a playoff caliber team.

You can call it what you want, but I don't believe replacing Floyd with an elite Edge Rusher by way of trade constitutes a full on re-build. I also believe Higbee & Van Jefferson are overvalued by many on this forum, both are adequate although neither are particularly special in my book. Both Higbee, Hopkins & Van Jefferson are likely lost to free agency after the 2023 season, I'd actually like to see what Hopkins brings before he's gone. Hopkins has 12 career regular season targets, and I thought Atwell had it tough.

 

[dieterbrock]

The comparison is the team choosing to spend those cap dollars elsewhere. Not their contract status for switching teams.

Still totally different. The Rams already choose to pay him those cap dollars, and now they've changed their mind.

 

[AvengerRam]

Still totally different. The Rams already choose to pay him those cap dollars, and now they've changed their mind.

The Rams chose to give Jalen Ramsey a contract. Its not a guaranteed contract, and it does not have a no-trade clause. So, if the Rams have elected to shop him, they are not going back on their word or acting contrary to the contract. The contract has options, and if the Rams think it is in their best interests to "sell" Ramsey's contract to another team (which means they may pay some of those cap dollars, while transferring the obligation to pay the remaining cap dollars to another team), they're not doing anything improper, unethical or inappropriate.

Is it the best move for the team? Now, that's debatable (and, of course, depends on the price).

 

[Corbin]

Yeah it's not getting out there by accident but it could be BS too. Just like AD retiring. We just don't know until it really goes down. Is it possible for the Rams to keep Ramsey if they get shitty offers? We don't really know.

Yeah I hear you but at this point with the trends of our FO I feel we are going to make a move. Especially with this getting out there.

Don’t get me wrong I love me some Ramsey.

Also, with AD retiring he fully planned on it until the extension as was told from his mouth himself. Guess our FO caught wind of it behind the scenes or whatever and got him nailed down a few more years.

 

[dieterbrock]

The Rams chose to give Jalen Ramsey a contract. Its not a guaranteed contract, and it does not have a no-trade clause. So, if the Rams have elected to shop him, they are not going back on their word or acting contrary to the contract. The contract has options, and if the Rams think it is in their best interests to "sell" Ramsey's contract to another team (which means they may pay some of those cap dollars, while transferring the obligation to pay the remaining cap dollars to another team), they're not doing anything improper, unethical or inappropriate.

Is it the best move for the team? Now, that's debatable (and, of course, depends on the price).

They gave him a contract so he wouldnt play elsewhere. They created the cap issue that they are trying to get out of. Hill was not going to be under contract and the cap issues created wouldnt be of KC doing. Totally opposite.
And btw, you are incorrect, it was a largely guaranteed contract

 

[AvengerRam]

They gave him a contract so he wouldnt play elsewhere. They created the cap issue that they are trying to get out of. Hill was not going to be under contract and the cap issues created wouldnt be of KC doing. Totally opposite.
And btw, you are incorrect, it was a largely guaranteed contract

At the risk of a pointless semantics argument, a "largely guaranteed" contract is, by definition, not a fully guaranteed contract.

And no, they didn't give him a contract "so he wouldn't play elsewhere." They gave him a contract so he wouldn't play elsewhere unless the team decides they're better off moving him.

The (potential) analogy to Hill (which is not to say the situations are identical, by any means) is simply that sometimes its better to cash in the asset of a single player and, instead, obtaining multiple players who can help the team.

I don't know if the right deal will present itself, but if it does, there's nothing wrong with the Rams making a move.

 

[dieterbrock]

At the risk of a pointless semantics argument, a "largely guaranteed" contract is, by definition, not a fully guaranteed contract.

And no, they didn't give him a contract "so he wouldn't play elsewhere." They gave him a contract so he wouldn't play elsewhere unless the team decides they're better off moving him.

The (potential) analogy to Hill (which is not to say the situations are identical, by any means) is simply that sometimes its better to cash in the asset of a single player and, instead, obtaining multiple players who can help the team.

I don't know if the right deal will present itself, but if it does, there's nothing wrong with the Rams making a move.

Its a guaranteed contract when 71 of 100 mill is guaranteed.
Its not semantics at all
And at the very least 2023 IS guaranteed
Its ok to say you were mistaken

 

[AvengerRam]

Its a guaranteed contract when 71 of 100 mill is guaranteed.
Its not semantics at all
And at the very least 2023 IS guaranteed
Its ok to say you were mistaken

If I was, I would.

Unfortunately for you, the word "guarantee," standing alone, is not a qualified term. If the intent is to have something less than a full guarantee, it can be qualified with a term such as "partial guarantee." So, if the contract is for $100M, and the Rams are only obligated at inception to pay $71M, its not a "guaranteed contract" like, for example, the one given to Deshaun Watson (or NBA players).

 

[OldSchool]

You can call it what you want, but I don't believe replacing Floyd with an elite Edge Rusher by way of trade constitutes a full on re-build. I also believe Higbee & Van Jefferson are overvalued by many on this forum, both are adequate although neither are particularly special in my book. Both Higbee, Hopkins & Van Jefferson are likely lost to free agency after the 2023 season, I'd actually like to see what Hopkins brings before he's gone. Hopkins has 12 career regular season targets, and I thought Atwell had it tough.

That's interesting how is Floyd going to net us an elite pass rusher? Wouldn't the team that trades us the pick just take that elite pass rusher instead of the over paid Floyd?

Higbee is the only TE worth a shit on the roster but you're ok with Hopkins being our starter? And who's overvaluing somebody? And Van is a #3 WR that most teams would love to have.

 

[AvengerRam]

That's interesting how is Floyd going to net us an elite pass rusher? Wouldn't the team that trades us the pick just take that elite pass rusher instead of the over paid Floyd?

Higbee is the only TE worth a shit on the roster but you're ok with Hopkins being our starter? And who's overvaluing somebody? And Van is a #3 WR that most teams would love to have.

Also... Floyd has 29 sacks over the past three seasons. That ranks 10th in the NFL over that span. Does that make him "elite"? Maybe so (it, at least, makes him well above average).

 

[OldSchool]

Also... Floyd has 29 sacks over the past three seasons. That ranks 10th in the NFL over that span. Does that make him "elite"? Maybe so (it, at least, makes him well above average).

His rankings the last 3 years
25th
18th
9th

Only good season was 2020 with 10.5 when the team had 53. Not elite looks more average. But he's the 16th highest paid OLB so he's only once exceeded his pay ranking with his sack performance.

 

[AvengerRam]

His rankings the last 3 years
25th
18th
9th

Only good season was 2020 with 10.5 when the team had 53. Not elite looks more average. But he's the 16th highest paid OLB so he's only once exceeded his pay ranking with his sack performance.

I'm not saying he's a World-beater. But there are 64 starting edge rushers (not to mention other pass rushers) in the NFL, so those rankings are all above average (plus, he’s solid against the run). I'd be more inclined to find a bookend than to try to upgrade him.

 

[Riverumbbq]

That's interesting how is Floyd going to net us an elite pass rusher? Wouldn't the team that trades us the pick just take that elite pass rusher instead of the over paid Floyd?

Higbee is the only TE worth a shit on the roster but you're ok with Hopkins being our starter? And who's overvaluing somebody? And Van is a #3 WR that most teams would love to have.

Easy answers to all ...

First, you do recall that the Rams are in some CAP trouble ? Shedding some contracts will likely be how we reduce that burden.
Second, As I've mentioned for months now, trading for a young elite Edge Rusher was a big part of the plan at the trade deadline for the Rams. We still have those 2024 & 2025 1'st round draft picks we were willing to give up, so whether it be Burns or some other top Edge, we have some ammo to accomplish the task. If Ramsey is dealt, perhaps we might save those future 1'st round picks and use whatever we get for him for a better Edge than previously anticipated in the draft.
Third, Hopkins wouldn't be alone, we'll draft a very good TE that will probably have us forgetting completely about Higbee in a year. Hopkins deserves his shot imo.
Forth, If Hopkins is that WR3 whom so many other teams will covet, then we'll just get a better draft pick for him, ... and it's not like the Rams don't have plenty of depth at the position.

I don't mind that you and I disagree, it would feel funny if it was any other way. I don't know what the Rams will do, but I put forward my preferences and will see how things shake out. By the way, where's your plan ?

 

[So Ram]

Yeah you are correct there sir. No one wants to show there hand which is why we are all left to speculate.

The only thing that is holding this back is the timing.Once the new season starts Jalen Ramsey will be GONE!! The Rams have a couple of dance partners.There’s no way they are going back on this.
—Cam Akers had No VALUE,other wise he was GONE!! Jalen is just not making a big deal out of it because,it’s best for both party’s.
The Rams will help find a compatible team.
—I’ll quit speculating,but mark it down as DONE(GONE). The party with The Rams is over.

 

[So Ram]

BTW - The Rams won’t get close to what they gave up to get him.
My hope is they get a fair deal.

 

[Pancake]

Well, I'll admit that the gap of 1979 to 1999 was a long wait, but...

1999 to 2001?

2018 to 2021?

I don't think the word "always" means what you think it means.

I meant the following year after a SB. Not 2 or more years later.

But why would you want to just blatantly insult another poster like you just did to me?