Rams vs Raiders Celebration Thread

[majrleaged]

Every single current and former player and current and former defensive or head coach I've seen comment on that final drive has said exactly that. Yet we have a 116 page thread of bitching about him and his coverage. We get a half dozen weekly threads bitching about him and his soft coverage. And here we have everybody who actually played and coached the NFL disagreeing with all the venting on Morris.

And when brady drove down the field every talking head said, rams were playing way to soft. You know there is an in between? That is what we are asking for. But the arguments back at us accuse us of extremes that we never asked for. Or pointing out the last TD last night and saying see what would happen. Saying last night D proves us wrong, when in fact it makes our argument.

 

[KA210927]

Stafford should call it quits, his wife wants him to hang em up, happy wife, happy life.

It's Mayfield time.
train

I really think Stafford is leaning toward retiring.

 

[oldnotdead]

Zone and man coverages are situational schemes. Staley's scheme was a hybrid of both. The problem with Morris' version of zone is it's is extraordinarily soft. Playing your boundary CBs 10 yds off the LOS with a 2 or 3 deep shell is basically a prevent, which Morris uses as his base defense. So damn right the criticism is justified.

 

[majrleaged]

Lol.

"Morris got a heck of a game out of a bunch of backups" is what you meant to say, I think.

And that he could have gotten it earlier in the season. I mean, your argument is that he calls his game that way cause his players need to be protected.

 

[Kupped]

And that he could have gotten it earlier in the season. I mean, your argument is that he calls his game that way cause his players need to be protected.

Well.. one of my arguments is that he mixes it up way more than his critics on here suggest.

And he does.
Not NEARLY as much as a lot on here want, but he does.

They mix coverages from the off-alignment plenty as well.. though critics will NEVER ackowledge that.. they rotate post-snap.. they drop..they press down.. the go zone.. they go pattern-match.. they do a bunch of different shit.

But.. no.. If you read here they stand 10 yards off the line and watch the ball.

 

[Ellard80]

This is going to be the response of all the people who have been arguing Morris is bad at his job.

Huge... HUGE problem with that is that the "no deep help" comment is about only the last play. They were in press coverage the entire possession and Mayfield said he couldn't believe that they would come out with that coverage.

They were playing Cover 2 Man... so there were two safeties on the field to help over the top.

The idea is that by you jam the receivers so make the routes take longer and then this in turn will chew clock.

There are lots of different ways to approach a 2 min defense - they can all work or fail.

100% it seems dumb with 15 seconds left and no timeouts to have a safety mugging the line of scrimmage.

That made zero sense.


i like how you have to turn everything into an argument about Morris though... the defense was good this game and I give them credit!

You are becoming unbearably annoying on the other hand - might be time for ignore.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I admit I am a Morris hater. I will give him props for last night as the defense overachieved for who they had available.

I also didn't like the Wagner signing either but he was a MONSTER this game and part of the reason the defense held up.

 

[Kupped]

They were playing Cover 2 Man... so there were two safeties on the field to help over the top.

The idea is that by you jam the receivers so make the routes take longer and then this in turn will chew clock.

There are lots of different ways to approach a 2 min defense - they can all work or fail.

100% it seems dumb with 15 seconds left and no timeouts to have a safety mugging the line of scrimmage.

That made zero sense.


i like how you have to turn everything into an argument about Morris though... the defense was good this game and I give them credit!

You are becoming unbearably annoying on the other hand - might be time for ignore.

They were playing press the entire possession and Baker said he couldn't believe it.

I'm making this about COVERAGES.

Maybe you go ahead and ignore, because you're already ignoring what I just said.

And maybe you don't acknowledge that Morris has mixed it up over time and that you don't know what factors go into that, game to game.

 

[Ellard80]

They were playing press the entire possession and Baker said he couldn't believe it.

I'm making this about COVERAGES.

Maybe you go ahead and ignore, because you're already ignoring what I just said.

And maybe you don't acknowledge that Morris has mixed it up over time and that you don't know what factors go into that, game to game.

Mayfield was talking about the last play - not the entire drive.

they had deep safeties back - it was the last play were for some reason the safety came into the box....

Go back and watch it on youtube... they have deep safeties on almost every snap.

There was nothing wrong with the coverage the raiders were using on most of the drive - it created a sack and INT that would have pretty much ended it all if not for penalities.

Now the coverage they did on the TD pass to Jefferson... that was a mistake that cost them the game.

 

[Kupped]

yeah they were in press.. but it was cover 2 man to man

there was no saftey help on the TD play.... not true for the entire drive...

Dude.. they drove all the way down to be in position to make the TD play. Baker was thrilled that the Raiders were in that coverage FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES.

You talk about me being stubborn.

 

[Ellard80]

Dude.. they drove all the way down to be in position to make the TD play. Baker was thrilled that the Raiders were in that coverage FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES.

You talk about me being stubborn.

show me the clip of him saying that.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWS-T67bx-4




you can see their coverages... they have deep help and even once or twice are not in press.

 

[Ellard80]

Dude.. they drove all the way down to be in position to make the TD play. Baker was thrilled that the Raiders were in that coverage FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES.

You talk about me being stubborn.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LgZxbt2bO4


1:47 mark.. he was talking about the last play not the entire drive


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eDmCU1fkk


1:44 on this clip... again only talking about the last play

 

[Corbin]

Yes. It has not been his fault he hasnt been used.

I agree, it was a bad pick. I did think we had a bit of Donnie Avery going on but he seems like after 1 3/4 season a decent one game was due. Let’s see how how he pans out. Hopefully his trajectory keeps going up!

 

[Kupped]

show me the clip of him saying that.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWS-T67bx-4




you can see their coverages... they have deep help and even once or twice are not in press.

You're right about the quote, I misread the article. MY BAD. He did say it about the last 15 seconds.

“Ball is ball,” added Mayfield. It didn’t hurt, of course, that the Raiders were called for two penalties on the drive, or that they aligned in a tight coverage in crunch time when a prevent shell that contained the Rams inbounds would have killed the rest of their clock and perhaps suffocated a touchdown look.

“I was truly shocked they were pressing with like, 15 seconds left, knowing we didn’t have any timeouts left,” said Mayfield. Add it to the list for him, this week.

But they were in press for almost the entire possession.
The only positive play for the Rams when the Raiders were off? Was a dump off play to Brown. Every other play was press.

 

[oldnotdead]

I really think Stafford is leaning toward retiring.

He would be foolish not to consider it.

The Rams would be foolish not to try to cover themselves. Baker's time here is IMO an extended tryout. There is no other reason to rush his start when they have an extended week coming up. What would one more loss mean? No, this whole thing smells of desperation. I thought at best Matt would be year to year. But now I'm really leaning toward the Rams knowing the probability of his retirement is high.

Baker's skillset is different and McVay must make changes to his scheme. I think if he has a successful year then at the very least he will be signed as an expensive backup for one year. If Baker is successful then IMO McVay has his new QB if Stafford if and when Stafford retires.

Let's face it, the Raiders are a decent team but hardly a playoff caliber one. The Rams have the Packers, Broncos, Chargers, and Seahawks left on the schedule. Not exactly a meat grinder but enough to give the Rams a look at who they actually have in Baker. I've never been a Baker Mayfield fan. But if he can play well in McVay's scheme I will support him as the Ram's QB especially since he didn't cost them any picks. Picking in the top half of the second round, they should be in a good position to get a good edge rusher either in that round or trading up into the first round. Guys like Chandler Jones and Cameron Jordan were taken with picks in the 20s.

After Aker's fumble, I think the Rams will use their third round pick on a RB. I also think they will grab at least one OG off the vet FA list.
Havenstein's inability to handle speed and power was on full display. Chandler Jones is not a really fast rusher, but he made Rob look like a swinging door. Rob has always struggled with speed. There is no doubt that the Rams will exercise their "contractual out" year in 2024 if not next year. With Noteboom and Jackson, they have their OTs of the future.

It's clear that Skura sucks as much as he always had. Time for Thomas, as he can't play worse and they have 10 days in getting him ready. Thomas projects as a RG or emergency RT. Put him in at RG and slide Shelton over to LG. That IMO will help to plug that leaky OL. If he can play they then have their new OL with Noteboom, Jackson, Shelton, Allen, Bruss, Havenstein (one more year max), and Thomas. I watched him play at San Diego State and he looked pretty good at RT. But he would need to move inside to really play at the NFL level. IMO it's time to play him before Skura gets another QB killed.

Skura = Blythe

 

[Tano]

They were playing Cover 2 Man... so there were two safeties on the field to help over the top.

The idea is that by you jam the receivers so make the routes take longer and then this in turn will chew clock.

There are lots of different ways to approach a 2 min defense - they can all work or fail.

100% it seems dumb with 15 seconds left and no timeouts to have a safety mugging the line of scrimmage.

That made zero sense.


i like how you have to turn everything into an argument about Morris though... the defense was good this game and I give them credit!

You are becoming unbearably annoying on the other hand - might be time for ignore.

I already have him on ignore

Edit - Oh and I am guessing who you are talking about

 

[Tano]

He would be foolish not to consider it.

The Rams would be foolish not to try to cover themselves. Baker's time here is IMO an extended tryout. There is no other reason to rush his start when they have an extended week coming up. What would one more loss mean? No, this whole thing smells of desperation. I thought at best Matt would be year to year. But now I'm really leaning toward the Rams knowing the probability of his retirement is high.

Baker's skillset is different and McVay must make changes to his scheme. I think if he has a successful year then at the very least he will be signed as an expensive backup for one year. If Baker is successful then IMO McVay has his new QB if Stafford if and when Stafford retires.

Let's face it, the Raiders are a decent team but hardly a playoff caliber one. The Rams have the Packers, Broncos, Chargers, and Seahawks left on the schedule. Not exactly a meat grinder but enough to give the Rams a look at who they actually have in Baker. I've never been a Baker Mayfield fan. But if he can play well in McVay's scheme I will support him as the Ram's QB especially since he didn't cost them any picks. Picking in the top half of the second round, they should be in a good position to get a good edge rusher either in that round or trading up into the first round. Guys like Chandler Jones and Cameron Jordan were taken with picks in the 20s.

After Aker's fumble, I think the Rams will use their third round pick on a RB. I also think they will grab at least one OG off the vet FA list.
Havenstein's inability to handle speed and power was on full display. Chandler Jones is not a really fast rusher, but he made Rob look like a swinging door. Rob has always struggled with speed. There is no doubt that the Rams will exercise their "contractual out" year in 2024 if not next year. With Noteboom and Jackson, they have their OTs of the future.

It's clear that Skura sucks as much as he always had. Time for Thomas, as he can't play worse and they have 10 days in getting him ready. Thomas projects as a RG or emergency RT. Put him in at RG and slide Shelton over to LG. That IMO will help to plug that leaky OL. If he can play they then have their new OL with Noteboom, Jackson, Shelton, Allen, Bruss, Havenstein (one more year max), and Thomas. I watched him play at San Diego State and he looked pretty good at RT. But he would need to move inside to really play at the NFL level. IMO it's time to play him before Skura gets another QB killed.

Skura = Blythe

Which is only a tad bit better than Evans

It was Crosby who was destroying Havenstein not Jones

 

[Ellard80]

You're right about the quote, I misread the article. MY BAD. He did say it about the last 15 seconds.

“Ball is ball,” added Mayfield. It didn’t hurt, of course, that the Raiders were called for two penalties on the drive, or that they aligned in a tight coverage in crunch time when a prevent shell that contained the Rams inbounds would have killed the rest of their clock and perhaps suffocated a touchdown look.

“I was truly shocked they were pressing with like, 15 seconds left, knowing we didn’t have any timeouts left,” said Mayfield. Add it to the list for him, this week.

But they were in press for almost the entire possession.
The only positive play for the Rams when the Raiders were off? Was a dump off play to Brown. Every other play was press.

They were playing press man yes... but with deep safties.... its not like people were running wide open. The coverage was good for most of the drive. As I mentioned earlier, they had a sack and game ending int negated by penalty.

Scrow had like quadruple coverage on him on the big throw (you can hear the announcer make the comment on the video)

The only bad play was the last one where they basically went cover zero on Vans side. That was the mistake which mayfield was referring to (that i also said was a mistake).

 

[majrleaged]

I agree, it was a bad pick. I did think we had a bit of Donnie Avery going on but he seems like after 1 3/4 season a decent one game was due. Let’s see how how he pans out. Hopefully his trajectory keeps going up!

It true we should have got the center, but atwell should have got way more play this season. He is definately a good receiver.

 

[Kupped]

They were playing press man yes... but with deep safties.... its not like people were running wide open. The coverage was good for most of the drive. As I mentioned earlier, they had a sack and game ending int negated by penalty.

Scrow had like quadruple coverage on him on the big throw (you can hear the announcer make the comment on the video)

The only bad play was the last one where they basically went cover zero on Vans side. That was the mistake which mayfield was referring to (that i also said was a mistake).

So… you’re saying execution matters too?

Just to be clear.