Rams vs Dolphins stills

TomMack · Nov 5, 2020

dieterbrock said:
Lol.
He's not seeing it in a screen shot from up above the field. He's seeing the field with 2-3 Dlineman between him and the receiver. And the initial read is left there as there are 2 WR on that side.
The game on the field looks nothing like it does in pictures

That’s kind of my point.
He’s paid a lot of money to see that be it in picture or on the field.
You’ve been under siege all game why stand back there waiting for the longer routes to develop when you have a quick hitter running wide open? I’d be willing to bet Brady, Wilson and Mahomes hits the short route.

RamDino · Nov 5, 2020

Look... Goff had a bad game. Let's not crucify him for it. It doesn't matter how much money he gets paid, or how much experience he has. He didn't pick up the blitzes and had a bad game. Maybe he had already taken a few hits and was a little shell-shocked. I don't know. But a couple of bad games out of 4 YEARS is ok by me. If this happens again with the zero blitz, however... then we will crucify him. lol

CoachAllred · Nov 6, 2020

Merlin said:
Situation

Pre-snap showing zero again, 8 on 7 for the rush

At the snap all 8 are comin. Brown diagnoses the rush well.

Where's the hot? Top of the screen. But Goff is still reading left.

Good thing we got a roughing the passer there

Oh and I don't know how Goff got that ball to the sideline but he did

Love your "still" threads Merlin. Look forward to them every week.
Well almost every week , but that has nothing to do with your work. lol
Just wanted to throw in some stills of a play that I kept waiting on the whole
game Sunday and I'm still waiting.
One of many 0 coverage busters that we never ran.
Packers ran it against 9ers.
Henderson would have tore this up.

Doesn't get any simpler

fearsomefour · Nov 7, 2020

The first set of stills it’s hard not to get irritated.
The Rams have three receivers running free on the side the blitz is coming from.....which is where you’d normally expect someone to be uncovered.
DB has position where Goff was looking.
Goff isn’t reading anything at all.
He saw a one on one match up he liked and just turned everything else off.
Pre determined where he was going and never looked at anything else.
This is really bad.....everyone gets fooled but this is like rookie level stuff.

dieterbrock · Nov 7, 2020

TomMack said:
That’s kind of my point.
He’s paid a lot of money to see that be it in picture or on the field.
You’ve been under siege all game why stand back there waiting for the longer routes to develop when you have a quick hitter running wide open? I’d be willing to bet Brady, Wilson and Mahomes hits the short route.

Lol, look at the snapshots, there are no short routes. Thats the problem, the receivers are running developing routes. The only short route I see in all these clips was potentially Reynolds coming clean, however there are 2 DL in the lane, not sure how he sees him

NoCoNite · Nov 7, 2020

Merlin said:
This is the one that has been covered the most so let's start here...

Pre-snap Goff tells Hendy he's on the wrong side. Since we don't know the call I presume here that Hendy knew his route was on that side but missed the motion, so that leads me to think Hendy was not on protection duty
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At the snap Hendy's in motion. I've put the routes on the still and you can see the play is designed with Reynolds as the HOT (red). He's the blitz beater. Reason I think that is a safe assumption is the other two clear it out and that underneath should be open. Solid design, nothing special, pretty fucking common in fact for a redzone pass play.
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At the drop Goff likes the matchup on 81 and is ready to throw it. But the Dolphins brought 6 and there's only 5 OL. The QB simply did not note the protection issue. Had he noted the protection issue he has two options: 1 is throwing to the HOT, and 2 is checking out of the play. Goff has full control at the LOS and could easily check out of the play but he didn't. Because he missed it.
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And that's a wrap. Bet that DE's eyes were big as saucers lol. ALSO: note the DB's positioning there and tell me how you think that throw would have gone down, hard to imagine that resulting in a TD for us.
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dont blame Goff’s lack of awareness, that’s McVays fault.

CoachAllred · Nov 8, 2020

Has nothing to do with formation.
I was talking about attacking the perimeter with quick pitches.
One of the many ways to attack 0 coverage is to attack the perimeter.
With quick pitches or screen game. something we rarely did.

CoachAllred · Nov 8, 2020

Going back and looking you're right they were in cover 1 most of the time that we had a back in the
backfield and in my opinion, that's where we should have kept them.
Here is a pitch against cover1 and a 12yd gain.
I think we may have ran 2 or 3 pitches to this side. all of them were possitive
But no, we have to go back to the empty backfield crap again and again.
There's nothing wrong with the empty backfield, but there has to be better balance,
especially when you're no having success from the empty set.

We did see some cover0 with a back in the backfield and a tight end, but not near as much as cover1

Another example of cover0. The deep defender is not playing deep zone, but appears to be spying
RB. And you could run this without a back in the backfield.
Jet sweep to woods for a TD. Attacking the perimeter quickly.

I guess the whole point of my post is that we did a shitty job of using our run game with
purpose. McVay was hard headed sticking with the empty set way to much.
Even after it was evident Goff was not able to run it with any kind of consistency.
Most of that was on Goff, but it was also on McVay for not having balance in his playcalling.

Getting Henderson outside. Better yet just running the damn ball.
Our run game potential is through the roof and we are not using it the way we should
Between Henderson, Akers and Malcom we should be running the ball 40 times a game.

thirteen28 · Nov 8, 2020

dieterbrock said:
Lol, look at the snapshots, there are no short routes. Thats the problem, the receivers are running developing routes. The only short route I see in all these clips was potentially Reynolds coming clean, however there are 2 DL in the lane, not sure how he sees him

He's making $34 million - for that kind of money he should have X-ray vision, dammit! Quit being such a homer!

theduke · Nov 10, 2020

I don't have All-22 and don't feel like paying for it, but I just wanted to show a single play that Goff fucked up.

Here's a key play where the Rams were about to score the go-ahead touchdown. It's a 1x3 set, with Darrell Henderson in motion from left to right. None of the Dolphins react to the motion. Nobody even shifted.

Here's what Goff should have seen and audibled to. He could have shifted the line protections to the right and bring in Henderson to the backfield. Or left him on the left, or had him protect the right side. It's clear that the Dolphins have three DBs to cover three WRs to the offensive right side. By turning the play into a hot-read screen pass, they could have had a TD to the right. If not a TD, something positive. The ball would be out in 1-2 seconds.

Instead, here's what happened.

Goff ended up losing the post-snap play because of his lack of pre-snap "play" or reading the offense. He should at least be able to read the field as well as an above-average Madden player, and I think Sean McVay has tried to help him get better (by installing hot routes, etc.), but this is just elementary to me. It's concerning that Goff was completely oblivious to this play coming. I don't know how he's going to improve if he's not able to quickly get this in there by just LOOKING at the damn coverage.

Giles · Nov 10, 2020

Gee another goff bashing thread.

theduke · Nov 10, 2020

Giles said:
Gee another goff bashing thread.

Oh no! A discussion on a discussion board! The horror.

Giles · Nov 10, 2020

theduke said:
Oh no! A discussion on a discussion board! The horror.

Multiple goff threads to post this on. What's the point of making a new one.

theduke · Nov 10, 2020

Giles said:
Multiple goff threads to post this on. What's the point of making a new one.

I wanted to give a concrete example that even someone like you could understand.

nighttrain · Nov 10, 2020

theduke said:
I wanted to give a concrete example that even someone like you could understand.

Goff had bad bad game, but so did a lot of other players wearin Horns, was team loss, from HC on down
train

Psycho_X · Nov 10, 2020

It's not to discourage you from posting but the subject has been discussed ad nauseam for the past week and a half now. And this exact play just a little down below this one....