I agree with you coach o, but I am biased. I do find it amusing the number of message board experts have counted Tim out from day one. Once again he has proved them wrong, which is what he has done his entire career. Congratulations to Tim.
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I agree with you coach o, but I am biased. I do find it amusing the number of message board experts have counted Tim out from day one. Once again he has proved them wrong, which is what he has done his entire career. Congratulations to Tim.
woofwoofmo
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Would like to know what brilliant observations you are basing this statement on? I would 100% disagree with your assessment.
No because the guy that was in contention for the starting position was cut. If it's that close for all 3 guys, we don't have much talent there.
Proved them his entire career by being a career backup to bad centers? I'll celebrate for him if he is named the starter but I just don't see what he has done in his career to prove anybody wrong other than continuing to stick around.
Firstly, credit where it's due: to Coach O for calling this early, to Wagoner for proving that at least one St Lou journo knows what is going on (since he pretty much called it this morning), and to Barnes for making it from an UDFA who was effectively released at the end of last season to the starting C. This also dispels any nonsense about Fisher favouring his draft picks.
I'm in the camp that was incapable of telling the difference between Barnes and Jones at C this preseason, and favoured Jones because I hoped his smarts and his college success meant that he would continue to improve, and would prove to have a higher ceiling. He was pretty much a 3rd year rookie as far as playing time was concerned. Now Barnes has won the job, I'm rooting for him, but he always struck me as being "Just A Guy", so I'm hoping that he won the job because he improved and not because the other guys were worse.
I'm in the camp that was incapable of telling the difference between Barnes and Jones at C this preseason, and favoured Jones because I hoped his smarts and his college success meant that he would continue to improve, and would prove to have a higher ceiling. He was pretty much a 3rd year rookie as far as playing time was concerned. Now Barnes has won the job, I'm rooting for him, but he always struck me as being "Just A Guy", so I'm hoping that he won the job because he improved and not because the other guys were worse.
@PressureD41 keep up with the cuts and roster here:
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/9/4/9264159/2015-st-louis-rams-roster-cuts-live-updates
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I am glad to see the Rams F.O making the tough decisions based on overall team improvement and not popular opinion, other than the Marquez kid.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/9/4/9264159/2015-st-louis-rams-roster-cuts-live-updates
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I am glad to see the Rams F.O making the tough decisions based on overall team improvement and not popular opinion, other than the Marquez kid.
woofwoofmo
65 Toss Power Trap
Who says it was really that close? If you're going by everything you read in the media you'd get that impression. If you read what @CoachO says you'd know things were never really that close. Trust me @CoachO knows what he's talking about. A lot of people are making assertions that are simply inaccurate and flat not true.
If you have a legitimate battle for the starter position and you still haven't named a starter, then it is close. You're brushing some fan's views aside from another that might seem to have more knowledge. And while coach0 is more enlightened than most of us, he still isn't privy to the details of who's winning the battle.
I hope we PS him too. I really don't think he will be picked up off of waivers, but he has some God given talent and size. Nobody can take that from him.
As I said I am biased. As for his career I am speaking of his entire career which includes his time at MU. I'd say you better get ready to celebrate for him.
That's a good, fair question. My 2 cents, no, but if Havenstein gets real abused, I could see Reynolds, possibly relieving him. More likely than not, we will just give him help over there.
Played too good his last game to PS him. Otherwise, I bet it was real close. Both, he and Hager, always around the ball. Good thing for a linebacker.
BonifayRam
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I sure have no issues with Tim Barnes being our center & have always felt he would be it from the beginning. However I have plenty with Rhaney. Jones being released is a surprise for me. One would think that with two OG's being held out & injured in pre season ......that Rhaney's better than thought performance @ OG won him the spot. That's where the concern may be (injured starting OG's).
OLT Darrell Williams may have brought more to the OL than can be seen from afar
. As a UDFA and playing OLT behind Greg Robinson .....might indicate some jitters in this starting OLT position too. If Battle remains on the master roster then having two rookie OLT's behind Robinson says something to me & its far from be positive
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OLT Darrell Williams may have brought more to the OL than can be seen from afar
. As a UDFA and playing OLT behind Greg Robinson .....might indicate some jitters in this starting OLT position too. If Battle remains on the master roster then having two rookie OLT's behind Robinson says something to me & its far from be positive.
First of all, thank you for the kind words.
Secondly, the thing I think that happens with a lot of people, they tend to look at players and base their opinions on who said player "was". Fans look at Tim Barnes and see the same guy who was forced into starting those four games at the end of 2013. He wasn't ready then. He came to training camp last year and was noticeably bigger, stronger and much more "ready" to be an NFL lineman.
IMO, he epitomizes the term developmental player. Fans tend to use that term in a negative sense. But by definition, it means that player DEVELOPS and continues to improve year in and year out. Tim Barnes has gotten better as an NFL player every year he has been here.
Can the same be said of Barrett Jones? While most of his issues were beyond his control, with the injuries he suffered, he nonetheless just didn't improve. Now, I see Rhaney fitting into the same "developmental" role as Barnes. I will be the first to acknowledge his upside. But he just isn't there yet.
The other thing I want to discuss. When people refer to Barrett Jones, almost universally his intelligence is brought up as being one of the reasons people had as to why they felt Jones should be considered the front runner. I chuckle when I see that, because, indirectly, it infers that Barnes is not intelligent. I can tell you first hand, that couldn't be further than the truth.
Finally, to all those who continue to see this center position as the biggest issue on the offense going into the season..... I think you should will be pleasantly surprised. If you ask me, you might want to turn your attention to the left about two positions. Our future HOF to be LT better figure it out pretty soon that he can't just show up and be successful at his level. All the physical tools in the world don't mean a thing, if you don't know what you're supposed to do from one play to the next.
Snead claimed long ago he's willing to redshirt him, so it doesn't sound like they expected much from him this year.