Rams claim QB Brandon Allen

[Soul Surfer]

Georgia Frontiere, ... I believe it.

Caroll Rosenbloom used to make her squeal like a pig.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Poor, poor Dan O. He had the coaches blowing smoke up his ass about his valuable veteran leadership and mentorship with hopes of coming back Week 2. Then the Rams go out and get a young guy instead. Now he has to face the end of playing a game that he's played (not well, mind you) for decades. 48 hours from now, or less, most of us will forget that he ever existed.

“The value that Dan had for those guys especially being aware of how young Jared [Goff] and Sean [Mannion] both are, I thought Dan was a great example of kind of providing a mentorship role for them,” McVay said. “Being around some great players and then him having the experience that he’s had. I thought he was really helpful to those guys.”

“Dan’s definitely a possible guy that we’ll bring back on this roster, so by no means does that mean that we couldn’t see him Week Two,” McVay said. “I think very highly of Dan. I’ve heard a lot of great things about Dan from other people in the coaching world that have been with him and he certainly lived up to that reputation. He’s definitely a guy that could be a possibility for us to bring back in Week Two.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/02/rams-may-bring-back-orlovsky-after-week-one/

 

[Ramlock]

So sorry for thread hacking into an Arkansas Razorbacks thread.

Brandon Allen's intangibles are off the chart.

Good for the Rams to claim him.

 

[jrry32]

That's true but mobility has nothing to do with scheme because Mannion ran that same scheme in college for 4 yrs. Mannion might not be mobile enough but I don't see anything from Albert to show that he's ready to remove Mannion as the number 2. Mannion has looked much better than him next year might be a completely different story though

Mobility has everything to do with scheme. You're mistaking scheme for base offense. McVay and Pat Shurmur both run variants of the WCO, but they aren't at all the same scheme.

 

[Soul Surfer]

So sorry for thread hacking into an Arkansas Razorbacks thread.

Brandon Allen's intangibles are off the chart.

Good for the Rams to claim him.

I just pray that Brandon Allen does well so we won't have to endure Ramlock's incredibly long posts explaining what went wrong.

Here, I'll start a list;
a) The wide receiver wasn't using enough stickum.

b) Whitworth didn't hold his block long enough.

c) It was a bad snap.

d) The receiver was held or he would have caught it on the fly.

e) I swear! Brandon's arm was moving forward!

f) Gurley didn't take the hand off cleanly.

g) The sun was in his eyes.

We can just start referring to it by letter to make it easier.

 

[Dxmissile]

Mobility has everything to do with scheme. You're mistaking scheme for base offense. McVay and Pat Shurmur both run variants of the WCO, but they aren't at all the same scheme.

Well I'm going to take McVay word for it. And the mobility needed to run this offense extends to bootlegs. I don't think their necessarily looking for someone to use their legs as a threat. In that regard Mannion is mobile enough to execute bootlegs. WCO is the same McVay just like to put vertical stress on defenses he still utilizes bootlegs and playaction his scheme isn't all that different from Mike Riley, attack vertical and the middle of the field, play-action bootlegs the main difference is McVay uses his tightends more

 

[jrry32]

Well I'm going to take McVay word for it. And the mobility needed to run this offense extends to bootlegs. I don't think their necessarily looking for someone to use their legs as a threat. In that regard Mannion is mobile enough to execute bootlegs. WCO is the same McVay just let to put vertical stress on defense he still utilizes bootlegs and playaction his scheme isn't all that different from Mike Riley attack vertical and the middle of the field, playaction bootlegs the main difference is McVay uses his tightends more

That's debatable. Regardless, you're acting as if we're sure Mannion is a scheme fit. I'm saying that it's POSSIBLE he's not. We'll see what happens.

As for the WCO, it's not the same. Riley's scheme has similarities to McVay's, but they're still very different. The same is true of McVay's scheme and Shurmur's scheme.

Mannion and Goff are both holdovers from Fisher. We have no idea if either is what McVay wants in a QB. I assume Goff is because McVay signed up knowing that Goff was his QB for at least the next year or two.

Anyways, here's a good breakdown of Riley's scheme:
http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2015/02/mike-riley-and-nebraska-offensive-primer.html

You'll see there are some similarities to McVay's scheme but a lot of differences as well. Plus, you're still ignoring the reality that you can fit a scheme for one coach and not fit the same scheme for another coach. Coaches all have different preferences.

 

[Dxmissile]

That's debatable. Regardless, you're acting as if we're sure Mannion is a scheme fit. I'm saying that it's POSSIBLE he's not. We'll see what happens.

As for the WCO, it's not the same. Riley's scheme has similarities to McVay's, but they're still very different. The same is true of McVay's scheme and Shurmur's scheme.

Mannion and Goff are both holdovers from Fisher. We have no idea if either is what McVay wants in a QB. I assume Goff is because McVay signed up knowing that Goff was his QB for at least the next year or two.

Anyways, here's a good breakdown of Riley's scheme:
http://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2015/02/mike-riley-and-nebraska-offensive-primer.html

You'll see there are some similarities to McVay's scheme but a lot of differences as well. Plus, you're still ignoring the reality that you can fit a scheme for one coach and not fit the same scheme for another coach. Coaches all have different preferences.

The only people who are saying that's he's not a scheme fit are the ones that don't like Mannion and try to find any reason to get him off the team. McVay has said that he liked Mannion in college because of Mike Rileys Scheme and that he was a 4yr starter in that scheme. McVay said he was studying Mannion in the draft because of that scheme. Maybe McVay rather have Allen but like he said he don't really know anything about him, so if McVay don't know anything about him how are people all of a sudden saying he's a better fit for the scheme then Mannion, Allen is nothing more than a project at this point. Next year could be very different but For a lot of different reason but I doubt it be because he will outplay Mannion

 

[bluecoconuts]

Mannion has looked far superior in preseason in every aspect. To me this move screams next year unless the Rams have a offer on the table for Mannion

Oh I agree, I think that Allen is QB3 unless they trade Mannion. I can see them carrying Mannion up to the draft and trying to swap him for some picks to move up or something, if he's still on the roster after that my guess is they'll end up cutting him.

I am skeptical and rightfully so. Maybe McVay wants to have his choice on who he wants @ QB. We haven't had a QB who has wowed us since Warner. Pretty scary.

Lets hope Goff is that QB. I think he can be, nothing so far suggests McVay doesn't. No need to worry over nothing, lets see how the season plays out.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Oh I agree, I think that Allen is QB3 unless they trade Mannion. I can see them carrying Mannion up to the draft and trying to swap him for some picks to move up or something, if he's still on the roster after that my guess is they'll end up cutting him.

I'd be surprised if they cut him. If he can't be traded near the 2018 draft, i'd guess they let him ride out the season as he not only knows the system so well, but he's also very inexpensive until he becomes a free agent in 2019. jmo.

 

[Merlin]

Is it possible, that they want a Quarterback in the system with Mannion being a free agent next season? Also the only other option is trading Mannion too.

I have to think they wanted to go 3 deep on the QB roster, yeah. Which again surprises me. I doubt Allbright was right about their feelings on Mannion, as I doubt any of the staff would trust him enough to give him anything real. He certainly cited that source right quick on twitter, and while he didn't name names that's a good way to not get $#!T from me ever again if I'm a coach with any team.

Allen is definitely cheap too, sub-$1M pay for the next three seasons.

Georgia Frontiere, ... I believe it.

Yeah and in that alternate universe movie the fans are Ned Beatty while it's John Shaw playin the banjo...

 

[WestCoastRam]

Maybe Allbright was right at the start of Training Camp. The Rams weren't sold on Mannion as backup. Maybe they are now after some good showings in TC and preseason. Maybe they still want more depth at QB. They're not mutually exclusive. Sheesh.

 

[Merlin]

 

[LumberTubs]

I'm firmly of the view that all teams should constantly be assessing the QB situation. Things can change quickly. Nailed on starters can turn sour (see Bortles' last couple of seasons) or get injured and if teams aren't doing enough to have a viable replacement (whether that be short or long term) then whole seasons can be written off due to the fate of one player, coaching staffs and GMs can lose jobs - that's how important the position is.

Using the Jags example again, they've done nothing to address the Bortles situation. Chad Henne is their alternative. I know Flacco is practising again but the Ravens were/are close to starting Ryan Mallet, who's awful. Kaepernick seems to be the only option out there but that's only cus these kinds of teams haven't done enough to develop young QB talent. If that's what this singing of Allen is then it can only be a good thing.

If I were a GM, I'd be drafting QBs every other year or so in the 4th/5th round kind of range (mainly from pro style college offenses) and making damn sure I had coaches on staff that knew how to develop these players. That way there's no pressure on either the drafted QB or the team to start the QB quickly because they weren't a first round pick.

Snead had no business moving up to 1st overall to hand the keys to Jared Goff to Fisher/Weinke/Boras. How anyone can hold Goff responsible for that 7 game train wreck last year, I'll never understand.

 

[LesBaker]

I still can't get over that Yodeling "bizarre"

Hugo was a coach at Arkansas I learned that from the first clip I posted. Just a little tidbit.........

 

[den-the-coach]

It's a new era in Los Angeles and assessing quarterbacks is a good thing and I'm a fan of always having 3 because you can always trade one for a draft choice. The Rams now have a California Golden boy that has all the tools to be an upper echelon signal caller in Goff. They have a big, strong arm quarterback in Sean Mannion that has showed well in preseason and now they have a mobile talent, who strength is making plays out of nothing. Gives the Rams an excellent dynamic going into the season with hope that the most we see from Mannion is mop up duty and wearing the head set on the side lines and the most we see from Allen is him playing Russell Wilson in practice.

 

[dieterbrock]

Always figured they'd bring someone in that somebody on the coaching staff has some history with.
Really wasnt anyone until now.
I dont think this changes anything for this season but Mannion may have a fight on his hands next year in TC.
Nice to have a back up QB with some mobility though. Doubt he will ever be active on game day unless something bad happens.
McVay's crew has taken paths to eliminate "Fisher Guys" by bringing in guys from outside, like Carrier over Harkey. time will tell

 

[PowayRamFan]

Caroll Rosenbloom used to make her squeal like a pig.

She was probably faking it.

 

[OldSchool]

She was probably faking it.

It was part of her stage act.

 

[LACHAMP46]

@LesBaker

Yes.....this is....uhhh....something else.....ahahahahahahahahaha


Good move on Allen....another excellent looking 2nd year player....and he was balling in the senior bowl....throwing rockets....running. Saw the same in the 4th preseason game....although he had 3 picks...not bad picks...think he fumbled once too. It was all the throws downfield...