Rams ban Dickerson from sideline privileges

[blackbart]

Did you notice the sarcastic look, and response he gave the female reporter after she asked him to clarify his earlier statement about how most don't know/understand what the team has had to go through? I've said it in many posts, this team has had to endure plenty due to the move, etc., and it's the one thing, in the back of my mind, convincing Kroenke to give Fisher an extension. We may not agree it should even be considered because most, including myself, are more consumed about wins/losses, handling the team, etc, but I'm not ruling it out. If we go based purely on the his wins/losses, he should not return after the season. But there is a bunch more we have no clue about, with what's happening behind the scenes, and it could be the determining factor for Fisher returning next season. Does it mean he can't/won't make staffing changes, especially on the offensive side of the ball? I would totally expect something to happen if he is back next year. But then again, I also said, "Mark my words, he won't be back." I seem to waffle from one day to the next.

I have been on board with this season being a throw away from the beginning. I don't see how anyone can expect them to be on a level playing field with the other teams solely based on the move. Their offseason was totally jacked up and they still don't have their own facilities. Throw in a rookie QB and his not being ready to start game 1 and this franchise was screwed from the get.

There is no one on this planet that wanted Goff to start more than Fisher. But when it was obvious that would only get him killed they had to move on to plan B in trying to win for the fans and veteran players.

I'm also on board with Fisher getting an extension at the end of the year because I think he and the FO have done a decent job building a base for this team to be successful. I've been around a long time and suffered through more than my share so maybe that is why I'm not ready for a new coaching staff. It's also why this is the only board I go to.

I did see the look and I also saw a couple of wry grins he had to squelch. They aren't as bad as some of the immediate gratification crowd would have us believe. In the next 5 years it's going to be a fun ride. I hope I'm around to see it.

 

[MTRamsFan]

The decision making process is not going to center around the move and what Fisher has had to go through with this team in the relocation. It will be considered, sure, but much more important is the fact that this organization needs to instill hope in the fan base and rebuild bridges they burned when they moved to STL.

Butts in seats. That is the number one element in who will coach this team next year. And from that perspective, no matter how you spin it, Fisher doesn't come out of it looking like a good or even solid option. This is why I said before the only thing that could save him if I am the owner is him coming to me and telling me he has a plan to hire a true offensive mind like Martz and open up this POS offense around the QB he convinced me to sign off on trading up for.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I do think there are more factors, which we as the fans have no privy to, possibly swaying Kroenke to retain Fisher. As you said, I would expect Kroneke, if he retains Fisher, to "persuade" him to make the necessary changes to boost the offense specifically through coaching changes. I am as saddened/disgusted as anyone about the continued inconsistencies of this team, and as a fan, hope changes will be made to get them back into a position to be successful for many years. Unfortunately, it won't happen until after this season. We will continue to debate what is the best direction for the team to go, but we can all agree it has to get better. There is no debating that point.

 

[Pancake]

I don't like when Fisher speaks for the players and says they feel uncomfortable with ED on the sidelines.

Some guys are acting like ED is talking shit while on the sidelines. I doubt that's the case. If it were then I would agree he shouldn't be there. I don't have a problem with ED openly criticizing the team on his own time. It's not like he's making shit up.

None if this would even be happening if Fisher coached teams would put up a winning season once in a while.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

I have been on board with this season being a throw away from the beginning. I don't see how anyone can expect them to be on a level playing field with the other teams solely based on the move. Their offseason was totally jacked up and they still don't have their own facilities. Throw in a rookie QB and his not being ready to start game 1 and this franchise was screwed from the get.

There is no one on this planet that wanted Goff to start more than Fisher. But when it was obvious that would only get him killed they had to move on to plan B in trying to win for the fans and veteran players.

I'm also on board with Fisher getting an extension at the end of the year because I think he and the FO have done a decent job building a base for this team to be successful. I've been around a long time and suffered through more than my share so maybe that is why I'm not ready for a new coaching staff. It's also why this is the only board I go to.

I did see the look and I also saw a couple of wry grins he had to squelch. They aren't as bad as some of the immediate gratification crowd would have us believe. In the next 5 years it's going to be a fun ride. I hope I'm around to see it.

Moving isn't the best excuse for losing,
I think all players know they are gonna have to get up and move during their careers

The '94 Rams went 4-12 in their last year in LA

The '95 Rams went 7-9 in their first season the St Louis

So we have a history of getting better after moves. Heaven forbid it's not some horrible Sci-Fi film where upon return to LA we go from 7-9 to 4-12 .....

I just don't think the move to LA would be any reason to write off the year as you say - that seems a bit overly pessemistic -- i know this team has the talent to make a playoff run with proper leadership

The 2016 NFC West was ripe for the taking - this should have been the first step to greatness, and Jeff Fisher is responsible for the disasters we are seeing and discussing here

 

[blackbart]

Moving isn't the best excuse for losing,
I think all players know they are gonna have to get up and move during their careers

The '94 Rams went 4-12 in their last year in LA

The '95 Rams went 7-9 in their first season the St Louis

So we have a history of getting better after moves. Heaven forbid it's not some horrible Sci-Fi film where upon return to LA we go from 7-9 to 4-12 .....

I just don't think the move to LA would be any reason to write off the year as you say - that seems a bit overly pessemistic -- i know this team has the talent to make a playoff run with proper leadership

The 2016 NFC West was ripe for the taking - this should have been the first step to greatness, and Jeff Fisher is responsible for the disasters we are seeing and discussing here

Your welcome to your opinion but like everyone else here that's all it is. None of us is on the inside of that franchise, none of us has experienced this, and no matter how bad we want them to win or how high our expectations are. Players have to perform and they were not in the best circumstances to be their best because of the move.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Your welcome to your opinion but like everyone else here that's all it is. None of us is on the inside of that franchise, none of us has experienced this, and no matter how bad we want them to win or how high our expectations are. Players have to perform and they were not in the best circumstances to be their best because of the move.

I'm discussing what you said

you said you wrote off the season with the move from St Louis to LA, but the previous move to St Louis from LA resulted in a better record.

So I'm asking on what basis did you give up on our season before it ever got started?

 

[blackbart]

I'm discussing what you said

you said you wrote off the season with the move from St Louis to LA, but the previous move to St Louis from LA resulted in a better record.

So I'm asking on what basis did you give up on our season before it ever got started?

Based on taking in all of the information I had available and some critical thinking.

One of the biggest differences in those 2 moves is the CBA and how much the staff is restricted from working with the players in the off season. I had some other information in the other post I'm not typing it again

 

[Young Ram]

I don't think that what he said and how he said it was any worse than Chris Carter and other HOFers trashing Fisher and the coaches and saying Goff is a bust. And they get paid to be PC Eric doesn't. I can see that it can cause tension, but if it were handled differently it wouldn't have caused any. The team could have reached out to him two weeks ago, after his comments or request for extra tickets and requested his presence at practice and in the meetings etc. as Fisher has done so now. The organization screwed the pooch on this one, and again Fisher took the lead.
I get what you are saying to a certain extent, but ED has a radio show and calls it the way he sees it out of his frustration for the players. He sees bad coaching and he called it out for what it is. ED can obviously separate his comments on the radio from his desire to be on the sidelines. Criticism is going to come, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Communication is key and it was mishandled by an inept organization.

There's no correlation to what Chris carters says or anyone else. ED is part of this organization. If he is promoting that Rams then he absolutely needs to watch what he says. He can insult the team all he wants I don't care but to ask for extra privileges after the fact is adding more insult to injury. To think he is untouchable because of his HOF status is wrong. This happened before the Miami game so why bring this up now? The only reason is to feed the fire fisher agenda. He lied about what was said. He was never banned. He was just denied access to some friends and I get why.

 

[kurtfaulk]

There is no one on this planet that wanted Goff to start more than Fisher. But when it was obvious that would only get him killed they had to move on to plan B in trying to win for the fans and veteran players.

Did he?

Did he give him all the reps with the ones? Did he try to simplify the offense so Goff wouldn't have had to learn so much? Did he try to tweak the offense to goff's strengths? No, no and no.

Didn't seem like he tried to make sure Goff was ready by week 1.

.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

...Who even cares about ED anyways? He's just another punk running his mouth

I care about ED. He, along with a handful of players for the GSoT era, provided me the best offensive moments watching this team for all these many decades. I think guys like this should be honored and listened to. Even if they periodically act like asshats

We listen to Magic, don't we? With some patience...

 

[blackbart]

Did he?

Did he give him all the reps with the ones? Did he try to simplify the offense so Goff wouldn't have had to learn so much? Did he try to tweak the offense to goff's strengths? No, no and no.

Didn't seem like he tried to make sure Goff was ready by week 1.

.

I wasn't there were you? I'd love to have been at training camp. Did they already know before camp that he wouldn't be ready? Was there more to his physical rebuild that we never heard about?

I don't know but I believe Fisher is at least as competitive as any of us

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Based on taking in all of the information I had available and some critical thinking.

One of the biggest differences in those 2 moves is the CBA and how much the staff is restricted from working with the players in the off season. I had some other information in the other post I'm not typing it again

Dickersonianesque "critical thinking" i presume

Anyway, you try and tell everyone here to support Jeff Fisher and the team when you youself admit you had zero hope for the season.

So you are essentially telling us to be all to supportive and positive over a team you've written off since July - RIPE

 

[Bruce2980]

There's no correlation to what Chris carters says or anyone else. ED is part of this organization. If he is promoting that Rams then he absolutely needs to watch what he says. He can insult the team all he wants I don't care but to ask for extra privileges after the fact is adding more insult to injury. To think he is untouchable because of his HOF status is wrong. This happened before the Miami game so why bring this up now? The only reason is to feed the fire fisher agenda. He lied about what was said. He was never banned. He was just denied access to some friends and I get why.

I bet any HOF can call any organization in the NFL and get tickets for friends on the sidelines.
ED said he doesn't get paid by the Rams.
Tickets for the sidelines are free.
Do you really think that Jeff Fisher made the right move by denying ED some tickets for his friends on the sidelines? Do you really think Jeff Fisher needs to alienate ED and some of the fan base right now? Do yo really think that any of this distraction is ingratiating this organization, with Fisher at the helm, to the fans in LA?
It's not all about ED. There are some ways to handle things better than others. ED will be ED, nothing can be done about that by Fisher or anyone else.
But apparently you feel that Fisher did great by causing (escalating) this stink.

 

[Bruce2980]

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I'll leave this conversation with this point. To digress a bit, I can see both sides of this argument, I just semse that ED seems butthurt and he brought it on himself...
If I have a broken leg and invite you to my surgery and subsequent rehabilitation, and all you are able to do is point out that I have a broken leg, then you sure are an asshat. That's how I feel about ED right now. He is a butthurt asshat. Career stats and gold jacket aside. Thanks for telling us what we already know ED, now shove a sock in it because if you can't at least offer CONSTRUCTIVE (don't know how to color font) criticism, when you are on OUR sideline, then keep your negativity to yourself.

ED is very sensitive, that is who he is. He felt jilted when given the ultimatum to sign or leave in the 80s. That feeling comes from being able to feel emotions at a deep level. Nothing can change that, and we can call him what we want.

I can see both side also, yes ED could have been more constructive, or at least PC in his criticism. But do you believe that Fisher made the right move by being an Asshat right back? Seems like Fisher is as butt hurt and he also brought this on himself. Did this help Fisher? Did this help his team? Didn't hurt ED. So looking at it from Fisher's side, Fisher screwed up big time, he and the entire organization know it. Fisher knew it during the phone call when ED said he won't be at any more games. Not the result Fisher wanted, not the result the organization wanted. This entire situation is very unfortunate. Not the happy family we were all wanting, two butt hurt egos, doing and saying stupid, or not well thought out things.

 

[Dodgersrf]

ED was just on the PMS show.
He said he believes the decision to call him came from Demoff, not Fisher. Fisher just made the call.

 

[Bruce2980]

ED was just on the PMS show.
He said he believes the decision to call him came from Demoff, not Fisher. Fisher just made the call.

Any link to the show? Please

 

[Dodgersrf]

Any link to the show? Please

I don't have a link. Just heard it on am 570 from LA.
Petros and Money Show.

 

[My Sources]

This is the thinking of the millinials who are used to fake news and such. Last time I looked, the job of the media is to honestly report on a topic. If Dickerson is in the media, then he is doing his job. The Rams stink and the organization should be ashamed of the product they have put on the field for over a decade. I praise ED for speaking the truth. He is a voice of reason among the delusional. As a past season ticket holder during the Dickerson years, all I can say is Dickerson is still the man!

 

[Merlin]

This is the thinking of the millinials who are used to fake news and such. Last time I looked, the job of the media is to honestly report on a topic. If Dickerson is in the media, then he is doing his job. The Rams stink and the organization should be ashamed of the product they have put on the field for over a decade. I praise ED for speaking the truth. He is a voice of reason among the delusional. As a past season ticket holder during the Dickerson years, all I can say is Dickerson is still the man!

Eric is who he is. Dude has always been an emotional guy, but he loves the team and embraced them upon return.

IMO it is unfortunate that Fisher felt threatened and tried to control him like he controls everyone else. It was not necessary. The Rams should embrace all alumni regardless of what they say, because that is an organizational direction that goes beyond the head coach. Ex players are just like fans, and you can't hold it against them that some of them get that angry about losing.

Rams missed an opportunity to be the bigger man because Fish was insecure about it and overstepped his authority. If I were the owner, I'd be pi$$ed. I suspect Stan is not happy with this type of unnecessary distraction.

 

[Young Ram]

I bet any HOF can call any organization in the NFL and get tickets for friends on the sidelines.
ED said he doesn't get paid by the Rams.
Tickets for the sidelines are free.
Do you really think that Jeff Fisher made the right move by denying ED some tickets for his friends on the sidelines? Do you really think Jeff Fisher needs to alienate ED and some of the fan base right now? Do yo really think that any of this distraction is ingratiating this organization, with Fisher at the helm, to the fans in LA?
It's not all about ED. There are some ways to handle things better than others. ED will be ED, nothing can be done about that by Fisher or anyone else.
But apparently you feel that Fisher did great by causing (escalating) this stink.

Woah hold on a minute. Who exactly brought this distraction? It was Eric. He is the one who told the whole nation that he was banned from the sidelines (which was false) over some tickets to friends. You say that Eric is promoting the Rams. What kind of promoter tells its fan base that our hope for the future is a bust? What kind of promoter tells its fan base that the team is an embarrassment? That's not what promoters do. Promoters pump up the fan base for hope any way they can. Eric did a disservice by talking bad about the organization. He thinks he can get on his high horse and talk smack because he has a golden jacket. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I absolutely respect the decision, whether it was fisher or whomever, to tell Eric to F off. They didn't bring this to light over media. They called the man and tried to communicate with him. He on the other hand got butt hurt and started this distraction.

Sorry but Eric is in the wrong here.