Now you are moving that Goal-post to another State!
I pushed back on One STUPID-ASS comment (post #37) ...
'that one fumble (by Williams) ... likely cost them the division and the 1 seed this year and maybe the SB.'
Props to Kyren
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Now you are moving that Goal-post to another State!
I pushed back on One STUPID-ASS comment (post #37) ...
'that one fumble (by Williams) ... likely cost them the division and the 1 seed this year and maybe the SB.'
Going to say it was a punch to the head, then to the ball, so a penalty should have been called and no fumble would have occurred.
If the play was called correctly by the officials.
The 2 point conversion by the Seahawks, should have been a do over not awarded 2 points due to the whistle being blown.
If the play was called correctly by the officials.
etc...
If the play was called correctly by the officials.
The 2 point conversion by the Seahawks, should have been a do over not awarded 2 points due to the whistle being blown.
If the play was called correctly by the officials.
etc...
Wait, I thought that X Smith fumble was Kyren's fault? Because if he hadnt fumbled against San Fran (aka punched in the facemask), they'd have had home field and they would have won the game.
Play was dead once the ball hit the ground. Cant advance a fumble and a "backwards pass" is a fumble
That 2 pointer was so wrong on so many levels
The most relevant rule to this situation is Rule 15, Section 2, Article 3: Awarding Possession
"When the on-field ruling results in a dead ball (e.g., score, down by contact, incomplete pass, etc.), and following replay review, it is determined that possession was lost before the ball should have been ruled dead, possession may be awarded to a player who clearly recovers a loose ball in the immediate continuing action. A loose ball that touches out of bounds is deemed a clear recovery by the player who last possessed the ball."
The specific situation observed on the 2-point conversion is covered in Rule 15, Section 3, Article 11, Item 1. Direction of a Pass. Whether a pass was forward or backward.
"When an on-field ruling is incomplete, and the pass was clearly backward, the ruling of incomplete will stand if there is no clear recovery in the immediate continuing action. If there is no clear recovery, the ball will be awarded to the team last in possession at the spot where possession was lost."
In this situation, the play was blown dead when the officials ruled initially that the pass was incomplete. However, the ball should have been considered a loose ball due to it being a backwards pass, with Charbonnet picking up the ball in the immediate action. Even though the play was initially called dead, it was still considered a recovery that review would be able to grant to Charbonnet, which resulted in the ruling of recovery of the ball in the endzone resulting in a successful try.
However, some people have pointed to Rule 8, Section 7, Article 6. Fumble After Two-Minute Warning
"If a fumble by either team occurs after the two- minute warning or during a Try:
The ball may be advanced by any opponent.
The player who fumbled is the only player of his team who is permitted to recover and advance the ball.
If the recovery or catch is by a teammate of the player who fumbled, the ball is dead, and the spot of the next snap is the spot of the fumble, or the spot of the recovery if the spot of the recovery is behind the spot of the fumble."
However, this rule applies specifically to fumbles, which as defined by the rulebook is "any act, other than a pass or kick, which results in a loss of player possession."
The rulebook makes a clear distinction between backwards passes and fumbles throughout its text, and even though both can result in loose balls that can be recovered and advanced by either team, they are treated differently in the application of this rule. This distinction is why you can get miracles at the end of games as players lateral the ball to each other, since if this rule also applied to laterals then there could be no advancement of the ball on those plays.
The ball was considered a loose ball that resulted from a backwards pass, not a fumble, and as such it could be recovered and advanced in the endzone resulting in a touchdown.
But I stand by this one
when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
I am not calling out X Smith as much as others are. Just pointing out those that don't want to blame any one play as being a difference maker, why crucify Smith?
Which is what is so asinine
A backwards pass isnt a pass, its a lateral. Which is why its a live ball.
If the same play occurred and was deemed a lateral its a fumble and the ball is dead
Why bring up Smith when Kyren's fumble was the main culprit? By your reasoning it cant be his fault since he shouldnt have been put in that position
Its a shame that Kyren's 2 TD performance in the NFC Championship game is overshadowed by him ruing the season in game 5.
KW was punched in the head while getting the ball knocked out of his arms. We can't say THAT play was the reason we're not in the stupor bowl.
If anything, I think this entire board should agree that the reason we're not playing this Sunday
a. is NOT KW's single fumble vs the Ninahs
b. is 99% on our ST's failures -- muffed PRs...missed FGs...bad punts...gave up a TD on a PR...2 blocked FGs, one for a TD...terrible coverage & yds allowed, etc. etc.
If anything, I think this entire board should agree that the reason we're not playing this Sunday
a. is NOT KW's single fumble vs the Ninahs
b. is 99% on our ST's failures -- muffed PRs...missed FGs...bad punts...gave up a TD on a PR...2 blocked FGs, one for a TD...terrible coverage & yds allowed, etc. etc.
It wasn’t one play that led to the firing, it was the consistent underperforming. That was the final straw.
One fumbled that led to a loss in week 5, the other fumbled that led to going home for the season. They are not the same.
To think one play with 12 games to go determined the season is completely insane.
One play at the right moment/one misplay at the wrong moment absolutely matters. X cost us massively with his muffed punt.
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The Rams had so many fuck ups across so many areas of the team I finally lost track.... At then end of it we missed the Super Bowl by 5 points.... But we get to start the whole process over in September 2026.
Its amazing how many Rams fans didnt/wont acknowledge that
Clear as day got a haymaker landed on his facemask which caused him to drop the ball
Of course the internet tough guys say he should have just absorbed it lol
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Let's just assume that the fact that he hit him in the facemask 100% caused him to fumble. I have never in 47 years of watching football seen that called as a penalty. I know that it is the rule, I have just never once seen it called. Now I haven't watched every game played over the last 47 years, but I watch a LOT of NFL Football.