Officials/Refs (Any Accountability?)

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^^^ This.
How many times will one of these guys break through opposing offensive lines (and thereby getting away from all the traffic), get almost horse-collared by the opposing offensive lineman on his way to the QB...and nothing?

How can this be missed, time and time again???? :banghead:
One guy had a hold of one of Donald's arms with both his hands as he was breaking away to Keenum right in front of the ref, and nothing. Tell me what was the ref looking at? You got it, right at Donald who was trying to get away.
 

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These comments regarding referees calling games a certain way in order to keep them close is ridiculous. Most of the reason the NFL has always been so successful is the gambling element involved. Now, with the fantasy football craze the gambling element comes into play again-more interest again. Why do you think the rules have been changed to increase scoring-more interest from people who don’t even know football but like to gamble.

The owners would never advocate or put up with officiating that purposely affect the outcome of games. Gambling is the lifeblood of their sport-they aren’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the integrity of the game.

Think about some of your comments regarding keeping games close-if that were the case we would all just take the team getting points every week and eventually retire as millionaires.

Just an FYI to you overtime conspiracy theorists....the reason for the increase isn’t some nefarious plot-it’s the introduction of the 2 pt conversion in the NFL.
 

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Me either but they are favoring a more competitive game after halftime. The team that is ahead and in control is going to get Goodell'd at some point. Usually in the 4th qtr and especially if that team is on the road.

I don't buy that either. Teams need to finish games their own way. All gas, no brakes as what the kids call it these days.

Teams should also not have blown coverage to cause said opponent to have a comeback.

I don't even care about the commissioner wearing the suit.
 

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These comments regarding referees calling games a certain way in order to keep them close is ridiculous. Most of the reason the NFL has always been so successful is the gambling element involved. Now, with the fantasy football craze the gambling element comes into play again-more interest again. Why do you think the rules have been changed to increase scoring-more interest from people who don’t even know football but like to gamble.

The owners would never advocate or put up with officiating that purposely affect the outcome of games. Gambling is the lifeblood of their sport-they aren’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the integrity of the game.

Think about some of your comments regarding keeping games close-if that were the case we would all just take the team getting points every week and eventually retire as millionaires.

Just an FYI to you overtime conspiracy theorists....the reason for the increase isn’t some nefarious plot-it’s the introduction of the 2 pt conversion in the NFL.

I wonder what the reaction would've been had the internet been around when the 2 point was introduced.

"Bah, what is the nonsense, eh? In my day points were scored by offense and offense only, sheee. These young whippersnappers and their fancy two points! Bah, its killing the game I tells ya!!"

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So quick questions. Does anyone doubt the NFL wants to see more offense and scoring? Does anyone not see more holding being allowed? Does anyone honestly think this is not an edict from the NFL? Have the rules changed (in print) for holding?
 

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I wonder what the reaction would've been had the internet been around when the 2 point was introduced.

"Bah, what is the nonsense, eh? In my day points were scored by offense and offense only, sheee. These young whippersnappers and their fancy two points! Bah, its killing the game I tells ya!!"

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Well honestly, I think you can be objective and still not like changes to the game.
 

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These comments regarding referees calling games a certain way in order to keep them close is ridiculous. Most of the reason the NFL has always been so successful is the gambling element involved. Now, with the fantasy football craze the gambling element comes into play again-more interest again. Why do you think the rules have been changed to increase scoring-more interest from people who don’t even know football but like to gamble.

The owners would never advocate or put up with officiating that purposely affect the outcome of games. Gambling is the lifeblood of their sport-they aren’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the integrity of the game.

Think about some of your comments regarding keeping games close-if that were the case we would all just take the team getting points every week and eventually retire as millionaires.

Just an FYI to you overtime conspiracy theorists....the reason for the increase isn’t some nefarious plot-it’s the introduction of the 2 pt conversion in the NFL.

The reason that you state for not fixing games, is the reason it happens. It's all about the money. These owners are in it for the money. Guys like Kroenke are not sports addicts. Jerry Jones is more the exception. The main topic for businesses is, "How do we make more money?" . The NFL has been doing very well in that category. They take a page from pro wrestling and NASCAR. They script the final outcomes when it behooves them. Now they have taken it to a new level.

Gruden goes to Tampa Bay and plays his former Raider team in the Superbowl. The Raiders used Gruden's very same playbook all year. Why would Raider coaches by that stupid?

9/11 happens and Patriotism is the theme across the country. So a bad Patriots team wins the Superbowl. They don't even get their without the BS tuck rule. Then they mug the Rams in front of the refs eyes and beat them after having no answer for them earlier in the year. Did the suddenly become that much better?

Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans. The city is decimated, the people are more depressed, the nation weeps, Let's give them a Superbowl to lift their spirits. It's a great story and America is gonna lap it up.

At first it was just big games. But like all crooks, as they succeed they get more sloppy and more comfortable and steal more and more and eventually get caught. This was rampant in NASCAR in the 90's. Fans left in droves once all of the formerly unreported stuff came out. Drivers were sick of it and started complaining. Once fans started to leave NASCAR cut back on the rules manipulations. They were pushing the story lines that sold. Earnhardt vs Gordon. Gordon the boy wonder, good looking, hot wife, could drive the shit out of a car. He was winning everything. Once fans finally quit buying it, Gordon was just another driver who won a few but didn't win championships. But NASCAR made gobs of money off their cheating. You don't think NFL owners noticed?

I don't watch with the same enthusiasm as I once did. Every year I hope to see it go away. I thought maybe with the Patriots finally in decline that it was going to be gone, but these last few games make me believe it is alive and well. It's even sloppier than before. The refs throw flags on obvious violations and pick them up for no apparent reason. They ignore blatant holding. As long as there is no public outcry and fans getting disgusted, it goes on. They scale back on the sack rules because everyone hated them. It would take a lot for a league that only answers to itself, to be forced to worry about how they are conducting business.
 
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So quick questions. Does anyone doubt the NFL wants to see more offense and scoring? Does anyone not see more holding being allowed? Does anyone honestly think this is not an edict from the NFL? Have the rules changed (in print) for holding?

Well, there's fewer quarterbacks injured if O-lines gain an advantage against pass rushers. Maybe its an un-publicized "clarification of a rule that's always been there?" :cheers:
 

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Did not know this and it could very well explain the shitty spots across the league.

http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/...als-do-to-prevent-measuring-for-a-first-down/

So during the game Monday night I started watching closely where the Refs spotted the ball after each and every play. Low and behold it was always on a yard marker either forward or behind where the ball actually should be placed.

Football is a game of inches right? Not any longer! So to prevent controversy and play stoppage the NFL no longer spots the ball where it actually SHOULD be spotted. The next game you watch pay close attention to where the ball is spotted and you will see the pattern.
 

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Did not know this and it could very well explain the crappy spots across the league.

http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/...als-do-to-prevent-measuring-for-a-first-down/

So during the game Monday night I started watching closely where the Refs spotted the ball after each and every play. Low and behold it was always on a yard marker either forward or behind where the ball actually should be placed.

Football is a game of inches right? Not any longer! So to prevent controversy and play stoppage the NFL no longer spots the ball where it actually SHOULD be spotted. The next game you watch pay close attention to where the ball is spotted and you will see the pattern.
Interesting. I’ll try to remember to watch.
 

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Just an FYI to you overtime conspiracy theorists....the reason for the increase isn’t some nefarious plot-it’s the introduction of the 2 pt conversion in the NFL.

Also the rules for OT are different now, I posted an article that mentions that.

I think they will tweak it again soon.

So quick questions. Does anyone doubt the NFL wants to see more offense and scoring? Does anyone not see more holding being allowed? Does anyone honestly think this is not an edict from the NFL? Have the rules changed (in print) for holding?

It's not being "allowed" it's being missed. Players have figured out that the refs can't see a hold if they body up the defender. Look at Donald when he is being held, it's usually in tight quarters and by the front of his pads. Players know what angles the refs have a view too.

It's a trick everyone playing on every OL knows now and uses. They get away with it because the refs don't have the view we have at home. We see it from above looking down. We see everything going on at the LOS. And from different angles a few times each play.

Just like how defenders playing a WR know they can wrap an arm around in certain situations and the refs won't see it.

The solution is more eyes on the field of play.

There is only ONE guy watching the OL. The other ref in the backfield is always watching the QB or the RB depending on whether its a run or pass.

Take a look at what I mean. One guy is watching the entire OL and DL..........so one dude is responsible for half the players on every play. It's not enough.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-offi...ly-good/officials-responsibilities-positions/

9/11 happens and Patriotism is the theme across the country. So a bad Patriots team wins the Superbowl. They don't even get their without the BS tuck rule. Then they mug the Rams in front of the refs eyes and beat them after having no answer for them earlier in the year. Did the suddenly become that much better?

Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans. The city is decimated, the people are more depressed, the nation weeps, Let's give them a Superbowl to lift their spirits. It's a great story and America is gonna lap it up.

The Patriots were not a bad team, they were good, and excellent on defense. They were 11-5, with an O that could score and a D that was one of the best in points allowed. During the season they played the Rams very tough in a close game and held the Rams to 24 points which was low for that team. I'm not defending them for cheatring, and I think they did, but that team was no joke.

As far as the Saints they won that SB like 5 seasons after Katrina. I can't see that correlation since Katrina was a memory by then .

There is nothing that can possibly support a conspiracy about refereeing of games. The thing that can be supported is that there are not enough refs in places where they are needed. They miss calls.

IMO pass interference is as big an issue as holding. Everyone on the LOS is grabbing. Watch Donald when he is pushing someone out of his path..........he has handfuls of jersey plenty of times.

There are 7 refs on the field. 2 of them are in the backfield, 2 are on the sidelines at the LOS, and 3 are watching the ENTIRE rest of the field. And only one is watching for holding.

The Seahawks got away with more PI than any team ever because rather than trying to avoid contact they grabbed where the refs couldn't see. Lots of defenders do the same thing now.
 

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It's not being "allowed" it's being missed. Players have figured out that the refs can't see a hold if they body up the defender. Look at Donald when he is being held, it's usually in tight quarters and by the front of his pads. Players know what angles the refs have a view too.

It's a trick everyone playing on every OL knows now and uses. They get away with it because the refs don't have the view we have at home. We see it from above looking down. We see everything going on at the LOS. And from different angles a few times each play.
Yeah.... not buying your view. Sorry - just not what I’m seeing at all.
 

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Yeah.... not buying your view. Sorry - just not what I’m seeing at all.

Watch the OL on replays and you'll see it. In real time it's hard because when the QB throws the ball the cameras follow it.
 

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Watch the OL on replays and you'll see it. In real time it's hard because when the QB throws the ball the cameras follow it.
Um.... I have and do. It’s not nearly as hidden as you are trying to make it out to be. There’s no real new technique to holding, they are letting them do things they didn’t before. And the refs didn’t just decide to not call it as individuals.

Hell - I’m even ok with them changing the criteria for a hold. But make it consistent.
 

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I was flabbergasted that wasn't called. Who ISN'T looking at the kicker during the kickoff???

The offsides was almost as bad.........but missing that call on the kicker was as bad as I have ever seen.



I don't agree with much of what you posted but I'm highlighting this because I want to know what Kraft did for the NFL..........

Also you do realize that every singe one of the refs and many others would have to be complicit. Literally hundreds of people would have to be involved. It would leak.

IMO if someone wanted to influence the outcome of a game it would be simpler to do with one player versus oodles of refs.




You are IMO correct.

The instance of a ref cheating in the NBA has been used ever since as "evidence" that every ref in every sport is "dirty". In that one instance, and there is no other evidence anywhere else ever, he was betting on the games himself.

One final thought to everyone who thinks the games are rigged..........why watch then?

If an event being "fixed" ruined it, then no one would ever watch an action movie or pro wrestling... or even reruns of old sporting events where the outcome is known...
 

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If refs were acting on orders from the owners on calling penalties or not calling penalties in order to affect the games, you would think by now someone would have come forward and spilled the beans. Writing a book like that would make an individual millions, not to mention send the NFL into a financial tailspin.

It's perfectly understandable why some would think that there's a conspiracy to promote certain players and certain teams at the expense of others, but a conspiracy that vast would have been unmasked by now.

Referees are not machines who never make errors. They are human beings who screw up from time to time. That said I do believe they are at times biased for or against certain teams and individual players and call penalties on the ones they don't like and don't call them on the ones they do like. That type of bias is hardwired into our human nature.

I highly doubt there wasn't bias involved in the many calls made against the Rams D while Gregg Williams was in charge of the defense. That's the main reason I was glad to see him move on to the Browns. Their "golden boys" Tom Brady and Peyton Manning certainly seem to get the calls made in their favor most of the time.

League-wide Conspiracy? No
Individual incompetence and bias? Yes

I have to strongly and respectfully disagree.

The guy who worked for the Pats who did the filming feared for his life once he needed to come forward and would only do so if granted immunity because he knew if he did come forward, the league would try to make him the scapegoat and sue him to death.

Dr Omalu who discovered CTE in Mike Webster was not only followed by the NFL, but the NFL tried to ruin him.

Based on how I see patterns, I think they went from something fairly easy to contain (the 9/11 Super Bowl was maybe the most egregious we've seen, but was atypical) to this wide spread proliferation of creating broad narratives.

A thief is still a thief even if uncaught and stolen is stolen, even before the theft is discovered.

With how much money the NFL is making, you can bet at some point that they'll screw over someone and all this will come out.

It just haven't happened...yet.
 

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These comments regarding referees calling games a certain way in order to keep them close is ridiculous. Most of the reason the NFL has always been so successful is the gambling element involved. Now, with the fantasy football craze the gambling element comes into play again-more interest again. Why do you think the rules have been changed to increase scoring-more interest from people who don’t even know football but like to gamble.

The owners would never advocate or put up with officiating that purposely affect the outcome of games. Gambling is the lifeblood of their sport-they aren’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the integrity of the game.

Think about some of your comments regarding keeping games close-if that were the case we would all just take the team getting points every week and eventually retire as millionaires.

Just an FYI to you overtime conspiracy theorists....the reason for the increase isn’t some nefarious plot-it’s the introduction of the 2 pt conversion in the NFL.

Super Bowl 36 says hi.