NFLPA Warning Agents of a Possible Year Long Stoppage

[Zaphod]

The problem will always be the average NFL players who are starting to earn slightly higher yearly wages and then get bumped off the squad by cheap rookies. I don't know how you fix that except to pay rookies more up front so that experienced guys have an advantage...

That won't really work though as it would still run against the cap affecting other players. Increase the cap and those players who can demand it will still want the difference. The players are competing with each other after all. Lose the cap, and the NFL won't have the parity it demands for an expanded market that in theory employs more players and makes more money for all.

I know, Panthers, Jaguars and Texans are the relative expansion since the cap was introduced, but surely a significant majority of the NFL ownership appreciates the self imposed regulation or it wouldn't still be an issue, so I would expect further concession from the ownership in shared revenue so long as it doesn't stray too far from their expected growth/margins.

Whatever they do, it's all relative, but you do have the potential to reduce the value of later rounds in the draft.

 

[Zaphod]

They will demand more money, more benefits, more this, more that. Bicker back and forth and over what?
The answer: Our money. We pay for all this: ticket prices, jerseys, memorabilia and game time tv commercial frequency will all increase to pay for it.
We need a consumer Union. We are the ones who need to organize but I know that will never happen

You nailed it, if you want it to change, don't fund the NFL. that's the fan union strike

 

[kurtfaulk]

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the minimum wage should be increased, maybe make it $1m. for vets and rookies but keep the salary cap where it is. that's one way of stopping the crazy prices qbs are getting.

of course the stars will be getting less money so it will never happen.

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[OldSchool]

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the minimum wage should be increased, maybe make it $1m. for vets and rookies but keep the salary cap where it is. that's one way of stopping the crazy prices qbs are getting.

of course the stars will be getting less money so it will never happen.

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Which is nice and all but those players at the bottom of the wage scale don't have the negotiating power to get that done. The union realizes, like all unions do, that they make their money off the people who make more money and play longer careers. Those players at the bottom of the wage scale tend to have shorter careers therefore aren't a higher priority than the money makers. One sad union fact I read was the union paid Peyton Manning more money the year after he retired than any other player that year. Makes no sense at all.

 

[RamFan503]

As Vince McMahon (sp?) rubs his hands together.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Which is nice and all but those players at the bottom of the wage scale don't have the negotiating power to get that done. The union realizes, like all unions do, that they make their money off the people who make more money and play longer careers. Those players at the bottom of the wage scale tend to have shorter careers therefore aren't a higher priority than the money makers. One sad union fact I read was the union paid Peyton Manning more money the year after he retired than any other player that year. Makes no sense at all.

Not sure I understand. Aren't most unions about one man, one vote ? I can understand player agents preferring the higher price clients as they are paid by a percentage of their salary. How is it that the union makes money off the players other than a pre-set price for the union dues paid by each member ? As long as there are 26 teams and 53 players per team, seems the unions income remains rather static unless they up the dues. Short career, long career, the NFL still employs the same amount of players overall, all contributing their dues. Are NFLPA union dues based on a sliding scale of income, or are they one price for all like most unions ?
I'd be curious to see a link about Peyton Manning receiving additional income from the union if he wasn't employed by them. I'm sure he'll continue to earn endorsement money from those companies he represents thru advertising, but union money ?

 

[Karate61]

Cool. We may get to see the scabs play again! Was fun last time!

 

[Angry Ram]

I'm not into idle threats and no one in the NFL would care even if I did....But there was a time in the 90's when baseball was my favorite sport until 1994 when they struck. Before that time, I knew every player on the Dodgers and most of their batting averages, and era's for most of the starting pitchers. Now I can tell you very little about those stats for today's Dodgers and I am a fair weather fan since then. It's just what happens when you screw with the passion of fans, whether fair or not, people will find ways to occupy their time away from the sport...and things may never be the same afterwards.

Until the next season starts, and the host draft city breaks the attendance record, and fans flock to training camps and games.

 

[Loyal]

Until the next season starts, and the host draft city breaks the attendance record, and fans flock to training camps and games.

Yeah, that didn't happen for me in 1995 for MLB... but whatevs.

 

[hotanez]

Until the next season starts, and the host draft city breaks the attendance record, and fans flock to training camps and games.

Maybe but they will definitely lose some fans. I for one really don't care, if they stopped for 3 years straight I would be in front of my TV on that 4th year cheering my team on Sunday. Just love it to much to stop. I will quit football the day I die lol

 

[Mackeyser]

What people forget is that Baseball knew about the steroid problem, but the Home Run race between Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire affected attendance all over the league. That alone brought many fans back. Without the chase for Maris’ record, there’s no telling how long it would have taken for baseball to recover. Also it was no accident that scores skyrocketed after the lockout ended.

But it was a one off. The NFL doesn’t have such a thing like Maris’ record and another 2k running back wouldn’t affect attendance league wide.

Bottom line is this: there will be a work stoppage and everybody will lose.

Cities will lose big as they will still have to pay the stadium bonds even with no football and no tourism games generate. All the football attendance ecosystem will whither. We will see more guys staying in school, but that’s not as big an issue for college football as it is basketball or even baseball.

What we need to understand is that both sides see a work stoppage as productive for their side or they wouldn’t do it.

The fans have not and never will be the prime driving force in pro sports.

Trouble is that during a work stoppage, there will be network openings and wouldn’t surprise me if an e-sports league went mainstream like Overwatch League.

Baseball was literally my first love and I never went back. I dunno if football will be the same for me.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Maybe but they will definitely lose some fans. I for one really don't care, if they stopped for 3 years straight I would be in front of my TV on that 4th year cheering my team on Sunday. Just love it to much to stop. I will quit football the day I die lol

absolutely. not sure why people get so cut up about it.

i will not, though, read any article or watch any report about the negotiations. they'll be dead to me during negotiations. not because of them wanting a better deal but because of how the media idiots hyperbole all of it.

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[fearsomefour]

I think the owners are going to need to serve the union some humble pie. They're rich pricks, but there has to be balance where the business side of things functions in the black. I realize that happens now, or at least I think it does. But I don't want to see the NFL turn into another league run by the players.

The sports unions are really the only ones with real power in the US.....as opposed to super market checkers or something.
They have members that aren't really replaceable.

 

[fearsomefour]

So, if the Rams win the Suoer Bowl in 2020 and then there is a stoppage like that.....the Rams have a two year championship reign??

 

[Selassie I]

I see the league using weed as a huge bargaining chip.

NFL... "OK, how about if we no longer include marijuana as a banned substance in the Drug Policy. We won't even test for it at all?"

NFLPA... "We'll sign a PERMANENT extension immediately!"

 

[RamFan503]

Not sure I understand. Aren't most unions about one man, one vote ? I can understand player agents preferring the higher price clients as they are paid by a percentage of their salary. How is it that the union makes money off the players other than a pre-set price for the union dues paid by each member ? As long as there are 26 teams and 53 players per team, seems the unions income remains rather static unless they up the dues. Short career, long career, the NFL still employs the same amount of players overall, all contributing their dues. Are NFLPA union dues based on a sliding scale of income, or are they one price for all like most unions ?
I'd be curious to see a link about Peyton Manning receiving additional income from the union if he wasn't employed by them. I'm sure he'll continue to earn endorsement money from those companies he represents thru advertising, but union money ?

While I couldn't find anything on Peyton Manning getting paid some sort of kick back, the NFL and the NFLPA apparently have an odd way of paying for endorsements in their commercial agreement. The NFL actually owns the rights for current players and when a deal is made, the NFL pays the union, which then pays the player. That's if I understand it right. It seems very convoluted and is part of what the union says they want to change in the new CBA. Maybe Manning was part of more of these "player groups" (high profile stars) that corporations signed through the NFL. I'm just guessing. I would guess that neither the NFL or NFLPA will have anything to do with his endorsement deals now that he's retired. But maybe that explains why he got paid a large sum upon his retirement. It could have been an amount that was paid as part of some of these player group contracts with companies like Pepsi or Papa Johns.

As far as NFLPA dues, they have been going up along with player salaries and are expected to if the union scores a higher % of the revenue pie. Nothing surprising there. The most recent figure I saw is that they charge the players between $17,000 and $18,000 per year - no sliding scale.

 

[nighttrain]

no sliding scale.
train

 

[Akrasian]

While I couldn't find anything on Peyton Manning getting paid some sort of kick back, the NFL and the NFLPA apparently have an odd way of paying for endorsements in their commercial agreement. The NFL actually owns the rights for current players and when a deal is made, the NFL pays the union, which then pays the player. That's if I understand it right. It seems very convoluted and is part of what the union says they want to change in the new CBA. Maybe Manning was part of more of these "player groups" (high profile stars) that corporations signed through the NFL. I'm just guessing. I would guess that neither the NFL or NFLPA will have anything to do with his endorsement deals now that he's retired. But maybe that explains why he got paid a large sum upon his retirement. It could have been an amount that was paid as part of some of these player group contracts with companies like Pepsi or Papa Johns.

As far as NFLPA dues, they have been going up along with player salaries and are expected to if the union scores a higher % of the revenue pie. Nothing surprising there. The most recent figure I saw is that they charge the players between $17,000 and $18,000 per year - no sliding scale.

I imagine the delayed payment was for a commercial or commercials shot while he was active in the union. Generally for commercials you get an upfront payment, but then there are additional payments based on how often the ad gets shown, where, etc. These aren't paid immediately, but usually get rolled up periodically. Undoubtedly Manning had commercials that kept on showing for a while after he filmed them, and probably even after he retired. He was the most popular NFL player pitchman for a while there, so not shocking that he would get money even after he was retired from the NFL. Commercials he made AFTER retirement likely weren't included, but those done before hand - well, the contracts called for the payments to be made in the usual way.

 

[Rynie]

As long as Goodell yields less power after the new CBA i can deal with a year long lockout.

 

[Loyal]

As long as Goodell yields less power after the new CBA i can deal with a year long lockout.

AND that Jason Garrett leads the Cowboys through it all for several more years!