NFL and gambling

[dieterbrock]

Whatever makes you feel cozy. There are reasons gambling has always been kept at a distance from professional sports.

In the US
That is, only in the US was betting on pro sports no good
Just my opinion of course but for the most part it was kept separate because organized crime ran so many books and had an influence with many politicians, that they wanted it "off book". Eventually, government figures how they can profit from it, and there you go
The sports are safe from players being influenced because they make too much money, they arent going to be coerced like in days of old.
Like @OldSchool said, gambling has no, and cant effect on outcomes, Vegas was blackballed for years and it was silly.
I'll say this much, due to the accessibility of gambling on pro sports, more people are gambling than ever. Which means more people are losing than before. Much easier to blame losing a bet on a sinister cheating scandal than it is accepting that a bet is a losing proposition out of the gate

 

[Tano]

Good movie

 

[Mackeyser]

So?

More is bet on the Super Bowl then the entire NFL is worth as a whole (the league wouldn't be the simple aggregate of the value of each team... that's not how M&A works).

So rest assured that the quick embrace of gambling only further cements that the NFL has and continues to have significant reasons and motives to steer outcomes via rule enforcement or the lack thereof.

 

[Mackeyser]

In the US
That is, only in the US was betting on pro sports no good
Just my opinion of course but for the most part it was kept separate because organized crime ran so many books and had an influence with many politicians, that they wanted it "off book". Eventually, government figures how they can profit from it, and there you go
The sports are safe from players being influenced because they make too much money, they arent going to be coerced like in days of old.
Like @OldSchool said, gambling has no, and cant effect on outcomes, Vegas was blackballed for years and it was silly.
I'll say this much, due to the accessibility of gambling on pro sports, more people are gambling than ever. Which means more people are losing than before. Much easier to blame losing a bet on a sinister cheating scandal than it is accepting that a bet is a losing proposition out of the gate

I called in October of 2001 that the Pats were gonna win the Super Bowl even as they were a very inconsistent team.

The Super Bowls since SB 36 have all been "steered".

The first half of the last SB? With KC and TB? Yeah... when Reid's son got in that DUI accident that killed the mom and the little girl was still fighting for her life? There was ZERO chance the NFL was gonna allow KC to celebrate while that little girl was like I said fighting for her life. And so we saw KC be flagged for showing up, for hiking the ball, for breathing on the field... if there was a way to throw a flag, they did.

I think the plan was to have a real shoot out, fun, high scoring game where Brady and TB still win, but with Reid's son having that DUI accident with fatalities and severe injuries, the narrative changed to what looked like on the surface a dominating win and more fellatio for Brady...gross.

Heck, you can steer an outcome just with holding calls, alone. Simply call holding on any big offensive play or big return.

So the blatant cheating by the NFL predates the gambling by quite a bit... more than a decade.

 

[Kupped]

More is bet on the Super Bowl then the entire NFL is worth as a whole (the league wouldn't be the simple aggregate of the value of each team... that's not how M&A works).

So rest assured that the quick embrace of gambling only further cements that the NFL has and continues to have significant reasons and motives to steer outcomes via rule enforcement or the lack thereof.

I’d have to say that any stake in the gambling industry would favor the opposite.

Feel free to think I’m naive… but creating doubt in your product’s legitimacy is the best way to stop people from betting on it.

 

[Kupped]

I called in October of 2001 that the Pats were gonna win the Super Bowl even as they were a very inconsistent team.

The Super Bowls since SB 36 have all been "steered".

The first half of the last SB? With KC and TB? Yeah... when Reid's son got in that DUI accident that killed the mom and the little girl was still fighting for her life? There was ZERO chance the NFL was gonna allow KC to celebrate while that little girl was like I said fighting for her life. And so we saw KC be flagged for showing up, for hiking the ball, for breathing on the field... if there was a way to throw a flag, they did.

I think the plan was to have a real shoot out, fun, high scoring game where Brady and TB still win, but with Reid's son having that DUI accident with fatalities and severe injuries, the narrative changed to what looked like on the surface a dominating win and more fellatio for Brady...gross.

Heck, you can steer an outcome just with holding calls, alone. Simply call holding on any big offensive play or big return.

So the blatant cheating by the NFL predates the gambling by quite a bit... more than a decade.

Or..
Human element is what it is and Refs are a part of that.

 

[Merlin]

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Couldn't care less about fixing games. The nfl have seemingly been doing it for years.

What I care about is how every single young male has betting apps and seemingly bets on everything everyday. They've grown up with betting quotes on the screen before, during and after games. Every third commercial is about betting apps. It's sickening.

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Yeah I think the NFL has always had gamblers playing the game who are betting. And that's never going to change. Not to mention as you point out the league is crooked as fuck too.

Really the bigger problem with the US is that we're turning into a country of whiny cunts who want instant gratification and fact finding and internet answers and driving directions and restaurant ratings etc, etc, on everything. We're heading toward that destination as humans in that movie Wall-E where they're so fucking fat and stupid they're absolutely worthless.

We are also ripe for, well, I'm not gonna say aliens but...

 

[Kupped]

I called in October of 2001 that the Pats were gonna win the Super Bowl even as they were a very inconsistent team.

The Super Bowls since SB 36 have all been "steered".

The first half of the last SB? With KC and TB? Yeah... when Reid's son got in that DUI accident that killed the mom and the little girl was still fighting for her life? There was ZERO chance the NFL was gonna allow KC to celebrate while that little girl was like I said fighting for her life. And so we saw KC be flagged for showing up, for hiking the ball, for breathing on the field... if there was a way to throw a flag, they did.

I think the plan was to have a real shoot out, fun, high scoring game where Brady and TB still win, but with Reid's son having that DUI accident with fatalities and severe injuries, the narrative changed to what looked like on the surface a dominating win and more fellatio for Brady...gross.

Heck, you can steer an outcome just with holding calls, alone. Simply call holding on any big offensive play or big return.

So the blatant cheating by the NFL predates the gambling by quite a bit... more than a decade.

I have to add that the conspiracy about the KC thing just ignores, to me, much more important realities.

Three major Oline injuries for KC.

And… if I was part of the Chiefs… I would’ve had a very hard time not feeling some impact from the fatal DUI. That would seem like the natural human thing.

 

[bubbaramfan]

whenever large sums of money are in play there will ALWAYS be a criminal element trying to manipulate outcomes. It's still true in Vegas, it's true in the stock market and it's true in the NFL.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I have to add that the conspiracy about the KC thing just ignores, to me, much more important realities.

Three major Oline injuries for KC.

And… if I was part of the Chiefs… I would’ve had a very hard time not feeling some impact from the fatal DUI. That would seem like the natural human thing.

nobody could watch the 2nd qtr of that superbowl and say it was officiated fairly. i think the chiefs d made about 6 stops in that qtr and there was a flag thrown every time. it was a joke. to state differently is not living in the realm of reality.

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[XXXIVwin]

the NFL has and continues to have significant reasons and motives

Yeah, as u probably know IMHO organized cheating at a high level seems unlikely because a. difficult to execute plan and b. downside risk of getting caught is immense.

Who in the NFL would have the desire to pay refs? If it's owners, which ones? Which owners would pay off refs to help their own team lose?

The NFL is the Golden Goose as it is. Why risk bringing down a proven moneymaker on the off chance that a stray call here or there "might" tip the balance of a close game?

I could see the Mafia targeting certain refs. But an "inside job" involving NFL Execs seems entirely different. Much harder to coordinate and keep secret.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Kupped]

nobody could watch the 2nd qtr of that superbowl and say it was officiated fairly. i think the chiefs d made about 6 stops in that qtr and there was a flag thrown every time. it was a joke. to state differently is not living in the realm of reality.

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I’m pretty solidly in reality and the thing I consistently notice most about Refs is their inconsistency.

 

[Kupped]

whenever large sums of money are in play there will ALWAYS be a criminal element trying to manipulate outcomes. It's still true in Vegas, it's true in the stock market and it's true in the NFL.

Different things.

The gaming we see on stocks is more analogous ti people trying to manipulate the betting line than the actual outcome.

 

[OldSchool]

 

[XXXIVwin]

So if dozens and dozens of refs are corrupt and are actively involved in fixing games... seems like it would take a lot of work to make sure they keep quiet. No shady tax returns... no bragging to friends and family.... no anonymous leaks.... no refs driving around in fancy cars.... and no stories of refs being whacked under mysterious circumstances!

 

[OldSchool]

So if dozens and dozens of refs are corrupt and are actively involved in fixing games... seems like it would take a lot of work to make sure they keep quiet. No shady tax returns... no bragging to friends and family.... no anonymous leaks.... no refs driving around in fancy cars.... and no stories of refs being whacked under mysterious circumstances!

The mob runs the NFL and gambling and are all powerful! Don't doubt them!

I thought about blue font but meh

 

[Mackeyser]

I’d have to say that any stake in the gambling industry would favor the opposite.

Feel free to think I’m naive… but creating doubt in your product’s legitimacy is the best way to stop people from betting on it.

Considering the NFL made the argument in court that they are NOT, in fact, a sport (which has specific LEGAL requirements esp as it affects their anti-trust exemptions which allow things like the draft that without them would be illegal restraint of trade), what's the argument?

The NFL doesn't consider itself a sport, but "entertainment".

In baseball, a ticket holder has a right to a "fair contest"... again, that term has legal significance.

In football, a ticket holder solely has the right to view the entertainment and the NFL has argued that BECAUSE it's entertainment, they are under no obligation to provide or ensure a "fair contest".

Now, the embrace of gambling by fans is because enough fans either don't believe or don't want to believe what the NFL is outright telling them... that the outcomes of certain games are "steered".

I've been clear that I don't think every game is scripted like the WWE, but I do think that as the season goes on, the NFL steers narratives so that they can hype the playoffs and Super Bowl up.

Once fans realize that especially as the season goes on that the NFL is steering outcomes, we'll see a different tack.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the NFL complete flips re: their embrace of gambling and that will "coincide" with their embrace of a host of various technologies that will make each game much more uniform.

Unfortunately, I don't think it'll happen until someone with reach does an analysis which is ultimately irrefutable... the data is out there now, but someone will do a really deep dive and will show that beyond a shadow of a doubt there's been steering of outcomes. The NFL will lose fans and then THAT'S when we'll see the flip on gambling and the bevy of technologies which ensure games are called uniformly.

 

[Kupped]

More is bet on the Super Bowl then the entire NFL is worth as a whole (the league wouldn't be the simple aggregate of the value of each team... that's not how M&A works).

So rest assured that the quick embrace of gambling only further cements that the NFL has and continues to have significant reasons and motives to steer outcomes via rule enforcement or the lack thereof.

No, more is not bet on the Super Bowl than what the NFL is worth.

More is bet on the Super Bowl then the entire NFL is worth as a whole (the league wouldn't be the simple aggregate of the value of each team... that's not how M&A works).

So rest assured that the quick embrace of gambling only further cements that the NFL has and continues to have significant reasons and motives to steer outcomes via rule enforcement or the lack thereof.

The NFL is worth, at least in collective team valuations, more than $100 billion dollars.

No, that much is not bet on the SB.

 

[Mackeyser]

Or..
Human element is what it is and Refs are a part of that.

I couldn't disagree more.

In every contest in 2021, we use technology to ensure we get the outcome right... and when there are people calling it, there is something like instant replay or some technology as a backstop.

The NFL is woefully behind in this regard.

and to be clear, there is NOTHING charming nor nostalgic about humans getting shit wrong. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

 

[Mackeyser]

I’d have to say that any stake in the gambling industry would favor the opposite.

Feel free to think I’m naive… but creating doubt in your product’s legitimacy is the best way to stop people from betting on it.

The latest estimate is that yes, globally, in excess of $100B is bet on the Super Bowl.

It's insane how much is bet on that one game.