NFL and gambling

[Mackeyser]

So for the last 50 years we have people running around saying they’ve seen UFOs but in all that time not one ref has come out and said this is going on? C’mon man!!!

Funny example that.

UFOs used the the sole purview of kooks and nuts. Now, we have the US govt releasing military footage that verifies the existence of UFOs. It was never crazy because they existed… what changed was the messenger. The reality of the phenomenon hasn’t changed because the US and other govts have released footage from fighter pilots.

Plenty of folks came out… just none were believed. There have been allegations made, but has the sports media really taken them seriously? Not remotely. Just like virtually all journos these days, they rely on access and act as stenographers.

Once that proof is forthcoming… (and what would you say if a ref did come out with undeniable proof?) is it only true because one finally came forward or was it always true as of SB36?

Also, I specifically have said that it’s a few refs.

Every successful conspiracy had more to do with simplicity and the unwillingness of folks to believe it existed than any kind of master plan or some convoluted scheme.

 

[Kupped]

That’s because you are all over the map. Just so we are clear exactly who is orchestrating all of this? Is it the NFL, the refs or the players?

It’s not like every owner doesn’t benefit from having a good product that appears to have parity to keep fans of all teams interested and spending their money. However, that money is nothing compared to the huge contracts they get from tv and advertising add on top of that the cut they get from gambling and fans don’t mean shit to the game.

They all share, thinking the owners aren’t smart enough, evil enough, greedy enough to orchestrate something like that is naive.

Again… there’s absolutely no evidence that different teams and players winning than the ones that have would make the league less popular.

And there are plenty of decisions that go against any logic when it comes to some of these decisions being “best” for TV contracts.

 

[jacktheripper85]

It’s not like every owner doesn’t benefit from having a good product that appears to have parity to keep fans of all teams interested and spending their money. However, that money is nothing compared to the huge contracts they get from tv and advertising add on top of that the cut they get from gambling and fans don’t mean shit to the game.

They all share, thinking the owners aren’t smart enough, evil enough, greedy enough to orchestrate something like that is naive.

There’s nothing to orchestrate. The reason gambling puts money in their pockets is due to more viewers because more people now have money on the games and watch. That’s how they make even more money now-ad revenue. It doesn’t benefit owners to have people think you’re product is fixed and the public stops watching.

There’s a reason a ton of people watch wrestling but you don’t gamble on it.

 

[Kupped]

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I’m not sure the angle here.

The context is the suggestion Brady was hand chosen to be the NFLs golden boy.

He was not a noteworthy college player.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

I’m not sure the angle here.

The context is the suggestion Brady was hand chosen to be the NFLs golden boy.

He was not a noteworthy college player.

I'm saying he was not unknown unless you don't follow college football at all or live under a rock.I quoted a post that said he was unknown and then you chimed in.

 

[XXXIVwin]

It’s not like every owner doesn’t benefit from having a good product that appears to have parity to keep fans of all teams interested and spending their money. However, that money is nothing compared to the huge contracts they get from tv and advertising add on top of that the cut they get from gambling and fans don’t mean shit to the game.

They all share, thinking the owners aren’t smart enough, evil enough, greedy enough to orchestrate something like that is naive.

Wondering if it's only a few owners in on this, or is it all 32? For that matter, if it's such a good business model to have owners collude in order to manufacture predetermined outcomes, then maybe baseball and basketball are thoroughly rigged, too? And international sports leagues, too? So maybe all sports leagues everywhere are rigged.... (Harumph, blue font).

Hard for me to presume vast collusion conspiracies without a shred of hard evidence.

And I gotta take issue with the word "naive." As we all know, flat earthers call us regular folks "naive" because we don't recognize all the signs that NASA and our school systems have been engaged in a massive conspiracy to misinform ppl that the earth is round instead of flat.

So no, I don't doubt that the owners are smart or greedy or capable of evil. But IMHO it's naive to presume they can pull off these grand orchestrated schemes involving dozens of games worth hundreds of millions of dollars over decades.... and cover their tracks completely without a shred of evidence.

Organized crime ain't easy. It's really hard, and messy.

 

[XXXIVwin]

The NFL with the assistance of a few refs.

When you say, "the NFL" is orchestrating this, who do you mean specifically? One or two owners, or 9 or 10, or all 32?

IMHO it would be awfully hard for some owners to be involved and not others... in that greedy good ol' boys club, there's bound to be times when they get together over drinks... gotta be hard for "some" owners to be in the know while others are left in the dark.

Just (cordially) trying to understand your POV, even though I'm inclined to see it differently , cheers

 

[XXXIVwin]

Again… there’s absolutely no evidence that different teams and players winning than the ones that have would make the league less popular.

And there are plenty of decisions that go against any logic when it comes to some of these decisions being “best” for TV contracts.

Super Bowl ratings have been amongst the most stable in all of sports. Year in and year out, the Super Bowl gets the same consistently high ratings, regardless of the teams involved or the storylines.

 

[Mackeyser]

I could talk more at length, but this is beyond convo and I’m not of the inclination nor have the capacity to definitively prove what I’m thinking.

I will conclude with this:

A) no grand conspiracy. It only takes a few people. Moreover, im not alleging “fixing” nor anything beyond directed outcomes. That’s why I don’t say “fixing” as that has a specific meaning.

B) no idea about owner involvement. They may be okay with “running narratives” method or may not even know about it. That may only be a senior committee. Or… under NDA, being okay with the entertainment model may be required for ownership. We just known that Green Bay is unlikely to be involved from a knowledge perspective as it’s the only corp still running a club.

C) steady viewership in and of itself means nothing. It could be that the narrative model is successful and the steady viewership is proof of that… I dunno. What I do know is that no one’s gonna be proven right in a forum thread or convo.

Well that and we need to knock the Card’s dicks in the dirt.

 

[Tano]

I could talk more at length, but this is beyond convo and I’m not of the inclination nor have the capacity to definitively prove what I’m thinking.

I will conclude with this:

A) no grand conspiracy. It only takes a few people. Moreover, im not alleging “fixing” nor anything beyond directed outcomes. That’s why I don’t say “fixing” as that has a specific meaning.

B) no idea about owner involvement. They may be okay with “running narratives” method or may not even know about it. That may only be a senior committee. Or… under NDA, being okay with the entertainment model may be required for ownership. We just known that Green Bay is unlikely to be involved from a knowledge perspective as it’s the only corp still running a club.

C) steady viewership in and of itself means nothing. It could be that the narrative model is successful and the steady viewership is proof of that… I dunno. What I do know is that no one’s gonna be proven right in a forum thread or convo.

Well that and we need to knock the Card’s dicks in the dirt.

It sure is a coincidence that time after time after time after time that Brady gets a critical call in his favor.

Last night against Buffalo - let's give Brady a PI to put the ball at the 35

 

[blackbart]

It sure is a coincidence that time after time after time after time that Brady gets a critical call in his favor.

Last night against Buffalo - let's give Brady a PI to put the ball at the 35

On a pass where the DB made no contact but the WR jumps into and grabs the DB.

 

[Kupped]

Now do every clearly bad call in the NFL, every week.

 

[1maGoh]

There’s nothing to orchestrate. The reason gambling puts money in their pockets is due to more viewers because more people now have money on the games and watch. That’s how they make even more money now-ad revenue. It doesn’t benefit owners to have people think you’re product is fixed and the public stops watching.

There’s a reason a ton of people watch wrestling but you don’t gamble on it.

WWE is openly fixed outcome and there is gambling on it.

 

[Merlin]

UFOs used the the sole purview of kooks and nuts.

 

[kurtfaulk]

So the NFL decided they were going to make a 6th round draft pick that no one ever heard of their “poster boy”.

Ok.

no. where did i say that?

during the 2001 season it all began.

they liked the look of this brady character. strong jaw line, could be mistaken for captain america.

and in the playoffs it evolved. after that he practically got 100% of all the calls and non calls in the playoffs ever since the playoffs that season.

prove me wrong. show me where the refs called anything against him when the games were tight. anything.

then try to show me 5 calls against him.

please.

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