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[The Ripper]

It's probably unlikely, but SK would delegate the building of the team from scratch and most likely wouldn't do much but "sign the checks". He does not appear to be a hand's on owner.

I was not suggesting Peacock would be in charge, maybe the team is owned by the Enterprise Rental CEO.

David Steward would be a perfect NFL owner

 

[Pancake]

I understand the NFL has said no to expansion. If St Louis builds a stadium, does anyone think there is a scenario where St Louis keeps the team and rebrands the name, Stan sells to a local group but keeps the Rams name, the LA Rams return to the league upon the completion of a new stadium as an expansion team, while the Chargers and Raiders announce their move while leveraging the LA market until one of them gets their market to build them a stadium (or the Raiders ultimately move somewhere else like San Antonio, or location TBD)?
Why do I believe this is a possibility?
I find it hard to believe that a league that is so money driven would pass on the chance to get a billion dollars in new expansion fees from a "new" team in LA. I don't think they could get a billion from any other market that is currently without a team. The amount of the expansion fee would also raise the value of all other franchises, and would temporarily solve SK's cross market ownership issues. Also, that would give them time to negotiate a more lucrative TV deal for a few more billion dollars.

SK wins because he will sell his current franchise for more than he paid. He would also get a "new" franchise in LA that would be worth $2 billion or so. The NFL gets two new stadiums in CA and money from expansion fees, relocation fees, and an enhanced TV contract. Mo money, mo money, mo money.

If I were an NFL team owner, I wouldn't mind SK getting a windfall in LA as long as I also got a huge Vig. This scenario would do that.

I don't think that scenario would work with the other NFL owners. I can't see them allowing SK to profit from the sale of his team(the Rams) and then hand over a brand new expansion in L.A.
worth 2 bil for free. I would think SK would have to buy the new team.

 

[bluecoconuts]

There's away around the 30% majority owner requirement, he could be listed as an owners representative. There are a few teams right now Denver, Tennessee and Detroit. We also experienced it when Georgia was the owner with Shaw.

Ah interesting, I didn't know you could do that. I figured there was a way, but I didn't what kind of work arounds they had.

 

[bluecoconuts]

It's probably unlikely, but SK would delegate the building of the team from scratch and most likely wouldn't do much but "sign the checks". He does not appear to be a hand's on owner.

I was not suggesting Peacock would be in charge, maybe the team is owned by the Enterprise Rental CEO.

He's doesn't seem like a hands on owner, but I figure if he was moving, it's easier to go and rebuild a fanbase with some established players/staff than building from scratch. I suppose if he had a choice between the franchise name/logo, and players, he'd probably rather the name/logo, but I dunno.

 

[blue4]

I think it's unlikely that expansion happens. I also think that the Texans and the Cowboys would make San Antonio a very tough sell.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Meanwhile, back in the lawmakers' lawsuit:

Hearing on Preliminary Injunction set for 06/23/15 at 1:30 pm (Copy of the docket entry below)

Motion for Preliminary Injunction [Link]
Suggestions in Support [Link]
First Amended Petition [Link]

Other docs: http://barnesformissouri.com/2015/stadium-lawsuit-documents/

06/18/2015 Hearing Scheduled
Scheduled For: 06/23/2015; 1:30 PM ; DANIEL RICHARD GREEN; Cole Circuit
Order
Cause set 6/23/15 at 1:30 pm for preliminary injuction hearing. DRG/jeb
Filed By: DANIEL RICHARD GREEN

 

[ChrisW]

I think it's unlikely that expansion happens. I also think that the Texans and the Cowboys would make San Antonio a very tough sell.

I think the closest STL would get to expansion would be a rebranding of the Raiders. I wouldn't mind the players, but leave the Raiders name in Oakland.

 

[blue4]

I think the closest STL would get to expansion would be a rebranding of the Raiders. I wouldn't mind the players, but leave the Raiders name in Oakland.

Even the Raiders name doesn't bother me if I get to watch local football in a new stadium. Everyone talks about their fans, but I can't really see that going on here. This is a town that cheers for opposing pitchers when they have an outstanding game. I don't think many travelling fans have any complaints about St Louis fans. So I don't think they would be a problem. Only concern I would have is that in 30 years when their lease would end my son, who'd be 40, would have his Facebook page or whatever blown up with Oakland fans wanting a billionaire to bring their team back. But I would keep the colors for sure. Silver and black is classic. But ain't happening unless the NFL forces it. Apparently Davis would rather play in a crumbling cess pool for a few depressed painted up clown fans than move to a healthy market.

Hopefully it won't matter anyway. Stan's offer to help those two other teams sounds like he takes the Carson plan far more seriously than some do. Why would you offer to help them unless you felt the pot could use a little sweetening? Even if it is just an olive branch intended to placate the other two owners, making offers unprompted sounds like a car salesman who senses his sale might be going away.


Or it could mean Jack Shit. Lol.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I think the closest STL would get to expansion would be a rebranding of the Raiders. I wouldn't mind the players, but leave the Raiders name in Oakland.

Davis wouldn't allow it, but frankly he shouldn't have a team anyway. Raiders have some good history, but that brand is tainted, they need to change their image regardless.

 

[den-the-coach]

Davis wouldn't allow it, but frankly he shouldn't have a team anyway. Raiders have some good history, but that brand is tainted, they need to change their image regardless.

Actually I think otherwise, if Davis actually moves, he might keep the Raider name in Oakland cemented his Dad's legacy and set out to create his own identity.

For the record there are certain names of teams that I have been right about over the years. I knew there would never be an NFL team with the name of the Memphis Hound Dogs or the Baltimore Bombers for example, but knew the Baltimore Ravens sounded right.

Same for the Titans and Texans because those names have been used before with New York and Dallas. I always felt Stallions was good especially when you parley it with alliteration again this has nothing to do with anything except that I do believe Davis would consider going in a different direction under those circumstances.

 

[The Ripper]

I think it's unlikely that expansion happens. I also think that the Texans and the Cowboys would make San Antonio a very tough sell.

There are a number of reasons for expansion to happen but it's 4 or 5 years off. It would be towards the end of the tv contracts and the CBA. Players want more rosters spots for the veteran players that have been victims of this salary cap because it's cheaper to sign younger players than older veterans. The NFL wants more games per year and it looks like increasing the schedule to 18 games won't happen so the only way to get more games is with more teams. The networks and sponsors have also been pushing for expansion.

 

[blue4]

There are a number of reasons for expansion to happen but it's 4 or 5 years off. It would be towards the end of the tv contracts and the CBA. Players want more rosters spots for the veteran players that have been victims of this salary cap because it's cheaper to sign younger players than older veterans. The NFL wants more games per year and it looks like increasing the schedule to 18 games won't happen so the only way to get more games is with more teams. The networks and sponsors have also been pushing for expansion.

True, that could happen but 4 or 5 years down the road isn't going to be soon enough for the loser of the great greedy battle for teams 2015.

 

[nighttrain]

The St Louis Stallions, shoot me!
train

 

[mr.stlouis]

When it comes to this we are nothing more than hampsters. We keep spinning this wheel but we don't go anywhere... ever. Doesn't stop us from jumping back on it, though.

It's kind of pathetic, really. That just came to me after being in the field all day.

 

[den-the-coach]

When it comes to this we are nothing more than hampsters. We keep spinning this wheel but we don't go anywhere... ever. Doesn't stop us from jumping back on it, though.

It's kind of pathetic, really. That just came to me after being in the field all day.

 

[tahoe]

Its looking more and more like San Diego and Oakland wont get anything done with their stadium situations. It just seems to be lining up perfectly to solve all three stadium situations with the Raiders and Chargers in Carson or even Inglewood and the Rams staying in St Louis with the new riverfront stadium. This would be a win win win for the NFL.

 

[ChrisW]

This would be a win win win for the NFL.

It does seem to be a better solution for the NFL as a whole.

Now, as far is STL is concerned, we need to finish funding. Get it done so we can get a commitment.

 

[tahoe]

It does seem to be a better solution for the NFL as a whole.

Now, as far is STL is concerned, we need to finish funding. Get it done so we can get a commitment.

I have full faith that the financing will be done in time for the Aug 11 owners meeting, it just makes too much sense to not work out this way.

 

[Angry Ram]

Its looking more and more like San Diego and Oakland wont get anything done with their stadium situations. It just seems to be lining up perfectly to solve all three stadium situations with the Raiders and Chargers in Carson or even Inglewood and the Rams staying in St Louis with the new riverfront stadium. This would be a win win win for the NFL.

Hope so. It's not only the best the easiest. All the Stan Kroenke buying the Broncos, Rams/Chargers share, Chargers/Raiders share, Chargers move only, Raiders move only, Raiders move to St. Louis, it over complicates everything.

Still have my doubts due to recent events, tho.

 

[iced]

Hope so. It's not only the best the easiest. All the Stan Kroenke buying the Broncos, Rams/Chargers share, Chargers/Raiders share, Chargers move only, Raiders move only, Raiders move to St. Louis, it over complicates everything.

Still have my doubts due to recent events, tho.

More importantly it keeps The St.Louis market - which is important for TV Deals and money, especially with CBS negotiating for Thursday night games. Ran across something that I thought was interesting from last summer (July '14)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...evenue-according-green-bay-packers-financials

The most significant jump will happen next season, as new television deals with each of the league's partners, along with the new CBS Thursday Night package, pushes the league's media revenue from the networks alone to an average of more than $5 billion a season.

That doesn't include the league's $1 billion a year contract with DirecTV, which expires at the end of the 2014 season and is currently being renegotiated.

The more markets, the more money to spread around.

And the new direct tv deal as we know now is $12 billion over 8 years