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tonyl711

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Every tweet,article or any bit of news that comes out and the people that compose it say that Stan wants to move the Rams to LA or the Rams are the front runners to return to LA or Stan might even go rouge. Jerry Jones says it Art Rooney mentions it about Stan and the Rams. Legit people that have legit NFL sources. But when it comes to Mark Davis and Dean Spanos they don't mention them going rogue. They say they want to stay in their current city. That's telling. Just the idea of Stan going rogue and the threat of him to do so in NFL league circles tells you that's Stans endgame. He REALLY wants to go. Now will he be able to make it happen? I don't know. But just the idea that Stan wants to ultimately stay in STL is false. Only a few people in STL might think that. But if you take the pulse of the entire nation it's clear what they think. So much to even say stan might go rouge if the league says no.
you really need to stop stating your opinion as fact, yes Jones says he could go rogue without any problems, but Rooney says he cant, who is right and who is wrong? neither of us know for sure now do we? and how in the FREAK would you know Stan doesn't want to stay in St Louis? you don't so don't state it as fact. you are trying to bait St Louis fans IMO and should be told to not state opinions as fact.
 

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WOW, It's hot in here.

This whole discussion is like that weird dress a few weeks ago. Is it Blue and Black or White and Tan? Same dress, different perceptions.

A ton of evidence has come out, but how much is fact, legal posturing, opponent spin, leverage or actual truth? NOBODY in StL or LA or in a Wal-Mart near you knows anything.

I guess a few words from Stan would really help us all get to the reality / truth. Until then it's all purely speculation since he hasn't.
Trying to prove a guess is like making logical sense out of an emotion.

The owners meeting this weekend may be the first time we get a leak from actual owners who's teams are not directly involved in all this. I hope so anyway.
this post says it all, all we can do is speculate, nothing is set in stone in anyway yet.
 

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Maybe, I dunno. Just a guess on my part really. Stan can have a nice legacy in St Louis by staying there and building the new stadium, but that'd be a local legacy. Being the guy who brought the NFL back to Los Angeles would give him a much bigger legacy, and there have been some that say it might make him one of the biggest names in sports in general. The extra money is of course very nice, but he's not going to sell the team, so it's not like he'll actually see that cash. So my guess is what does he want his legacy to be once he dies? A very rich guy who had a few sports teams, and built a nice stadium in St Louis? Or a very rich guy, who owned major teams, and brought the NFL back to Los Angeles into a palace?

Being the guy to bring the team back to LA is bigger. Sure people in St Louis would be pissed, and to them he sucks, but the rest of the sporting world he's a guy who made crap happen.
or could it be as the guy who helped Bring the Rams to St Louis then made sure they stayed there? I know you LA guys see us as a cow town, but Stan is from Missouri and I would think he wouldn't mind us cowtown people feeling indebted to him, a hometown legacy if you will.
 

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So will we finally know tomorrow for sure? I'm so tired of this shit. Should I tear down all my St.Louis gear off my wall or go buy an Aaron Donald jersey?
 

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Maybe, I dunno. Just a guess on my part really. Stan can have a nice legacy in St Louis by staying there and building the new stadium, but that'd be a local legacy. Being the guy who brought the NFL back to Los Angeles would give him a much bigger legacy, and there have been some that say it might make him one of the biggest names in sports in general. The extra money is of course very nice, but he's not going to sell the team, so it's not like he'll actually see that cash. So my guess is what does he want his legacy to be once he dies? A very rich guy who had a few sports teams, and built a nice stadium in St Louis? Or a very rich guy, who owned major teams, and brought the NFL back to Los Angeles into a palace?

Being the guy to bring the team back to LA is bigger. Sure people in St Louis would be pissed, and to them he sucks, but the rest of the sporting world he's a guy who made crap happen.

I honestly don't think Stan gives a hoot about any kind of legacy. I think he's all about who is going to try the hardest to make him richer. He gains no matter what. I think he knows that after the first couple of losing seasons in LA people will not care that he brought the NFL back, only that the team is losing. Just like the shine quickly came off of Shaw and Co in STL by 2006. If he was worried at all about legacy I'd have to agree with BuiltRamTough. But I really doubt he does.
 

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or could it be as the guy who helped Bring the Rams to St Louis then made sure they stayed there? I know you LA guys see us as a cow town, but Stan is from Missouri and I would think he wouldn't mind us cowtown people feeling indebted to him, a hometown legacy if you will.

Maybe, but it didn't really do much for him in the past. For as many teams as Kroenke owned, he certainly wasn't very well known. I don't know how he thinks, but it's just a guess.

I honestly don't think Stan gives a hoot about any kind of legacy. I think he's all about who is going to try the hardest to make him richer. He gains no matter what. I think he knows that after the first couple of losing seasons in LA people will not care that he brought the NFL back, only that the team is losing. Just like the shine quickly came off of Shaw and Co in STL by 2006. If he was worried at all about legacy I'd have to agree with BuiltRamTough. But I really doubt he does.

I guess I'm in the minority, I just feel that looking to increase value isn't really the top of the spot. He wont personally live to see solid profits from LA (after the cost of moving/building), some have speculated that it's more for his family though. Since he's not really looking to sell though, I always kind of figured it was more of a legacy move.

But it's just my own guess, who knows.
 

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Maybe, but it didn't really do much for him in the past. For as many teams as Kroenke owned, he certainly wasn't very well known. I don't know how he thinks, but it's just a guess.



I guess I'm in the minority, I just feel that looking to increase value isn't really the top of the spot. He wont personally live to see solid profits from LA (after the cost of moving/building), some have speculated that it's more for his family though. Since he's not really looking to sell though, I always kind of figured it was more of a legacy move.

But it's just my own guess, who knows.
I don't think Stan really cares about being well known, not too many people who are worried about being well known are as reclusive as he is.
 

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I don't think Stan really cares about being well known, not too many people who are worried about being well known are as reclusive as he is.

I don't think he cares about walking down the street and having people taking notice, but I think he would like to be known as a big name in sports. Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, for as much as I dislike them, are very well known and will be for many years. Kroenke, not so much.
 

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Rams, Raiders would be Los Angeles bound -- if not for the NFL - Article deleted.

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Yeesh! I gotta tell you man. I am very close to calling a moratorium on articles that cite unnamed sources. I don't mean any offense to you but that BS of quoting "several sources" and "a source with inside knowledge" and "added another" is just a weak media play.

And once again, there is no link or credit given so I am going to delete the article and any reference to it.

Please properly link your articles or at minimum give credit to who wrote it and where it appeared.
 
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OK - I have locked the thread temporarily. I have also blocked Mr. St Louis for one week. A couple of others are on the edge. I have been away for a couple days so I am going to read through all the posts and figure out which ones stay and which ones go. I also may very well block another member or two from posting on this thread until they figure out how to respect other members. If your goal is to taunt fans from either city or side of the issue, you will be blocked from participating.

This thread was allowed on ROD so long as it remained civil. But instead of locking it permanently, I am just going to start blocking people who don't get it.

Last time - Don't talk down to other posters. Respond to the topic or post NOT to what you feel is the intelligence level of the poster or what you may see as their angle. And seriously? Referring to another poster as gay? Ain't happenin'.

One other thing. Any articles that we see that are not linked or the author and publication/website not given credit, will be deleted.


To the many of you that have contributed to this thread in a civil manner for almost 200 pages, I salute you.
 

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What name did I exactly call her?
I don't recall exactly User - but I deleted it as a violation of the rules. Though I found her comments anecdotal, they weren't directed at a member. PM me if there is a statement in particular you found offensive.
 

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you really need to stop stating your opinion as fact, yes Jones says he could go rogue without any problems, but Rooney says he cant, who is right and who is wrong? neither of us know for sure now do we? and how in the FREAK would you know Stan doesn't want to stay in St Louis? you don't so don't state it as fact. you are trying to bait St Louis fans IMO and should be told to not state opinions as fact.
This^^^ I'd like everyone to heed this. We are all giving our best guesses based on what we interpret. I would urge everyone to keep in mind that unless they have first hand knowledge, don't act dismissive toward other posters and don't act as if your conclusions are fact unless you have actual fact to back it up.

We all know certain things but most everything else is just what each person makes of it.
 

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Shortly I will be opening this thread again. Please read my post #3411 above. I appreciate that most of you have handles yourselves with class in this very touchy subject. To the others - failure to comply with the words in the post I just cited will get you blocked from this thread.

Party on Garth.
 

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Stan Kroenke ready to show NFL owners detailed Inglewood stadium plans

By Sam Farmer

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-stadium-inglewood-20150322-column.html

Rams owner Stan Kroenke ready to show detailed plans of Inglewood stadium to other NFL owners

Stan Kroenke won't be empty handed this week when he arrives at the NFL owners meetings in Arizona.

The St. Louis Rams owner will be packing finished schematic plans for the world's most interactive and integrated football stadium, a futuristic, $1.86-billion, privately financed venue proposed for the Hollywood Park site in Inglewood.

Kroenke is not quite ready to put a shovel in the ground, but the major pieces of the project are now fully drawn, allowing the global sports and real estate billionaire to show the small army of architects and engineers at his disposal have made significant progress.

Representatives of Kroenke and HKS, the architecture firm he's employed, met with the Los Angeles Times recently in San Francisco to provide a first look at the detailed plans.


The timing of the meeting — days before the NFL convenes Monday at the Arizona Biltmore resort — wasn't coincidental. The league's owners will ultimately decide when and where the nation's No. 1 sport returns to its No. 2 market.

The San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders entered the running last month, announcing a joint proposal to build a stadium in Carson. Kroenke hasn't said he plans to move the Rams, but his intentions seem clear — analysts say it's highly doubtful he would invest in a stadium and not use it for his own team.

Any NFL franchise that wants to move would need the support of three-quarters of the league's 32 owners in a vote. It's unlikely any such vote will take place before the fall, as St. Louis, San Diego and Oakland continue trying to convince their teams to stay put. The league has already said no team would be allowed to move before next season.


The latest renderings show a light metallic, wave-shaped structure featuring a roof that encompasses the stadium and a surrounding plaza, providing weather protection but remaining open on the sides. The stadium could host big indoor events such as a college basketball Final Four.

The roof has metal borders, but the area over the playing field is made of a transparent material called ETFE, which is as clear as a car windshield and strong enough to support the weight of a vehicle. The design allows for breezes to flow through the building, enhancing the outdoor feel.

"This stadium grows out of the DNA of the region," said Mark Williams, director of sports and entertainment business development for HKS, which designed AT&T Stadium for the Dallas Cowboys and Lucas Oil Stadium for the Indianapolis Colts.


While the roof of the Inglewood stadium would be 275 feet above the playing field, the building would be set into the ground, giving it an above-ground profile of 175 feet, considerably lower than most enclosed stadiums. The proposed venue conforms to the height restrictions imposed on buildings within close proximity to Los Angeles International Airport, and the stadium designers say it also makes for a more attractive neighbor.

"So many stadiums are a big building that's out in a field somewhere," said Chris Meany, senior vice president of the Hollywood Park Land Co. "Very few have been integrated into the community."

Los Angeles has seen impressive renderings before, but hasn't had an NFL football team since 1994. Over the last two decades, several developers have unveiled all kinds of dazzling drawings and slick video presentations of venues that never came to pass.


What makes Kroenke different is that he is an NFL owner, and the league's second-richest owner at that. His team also has a deep and nostalgic connection to L.A., and he — along with development partner San Francisco-based Stockbridge Capital Group — has nearly 300 acres of prime stadium land the league itself tried to buy.

HKS estimates the Inglewood project would take less than three years to build, and the first round of construction permits could be obtained by December. Any team relocating here probably would play at the Coliseum or Rose Bowl during the building process.

HKS and its consultants are moving into the design development and construction documentation stages of the project. In essence, the group has basic designs in place, including the various building components such as plumbing and air conditioning, and is now onto developing the detailed building plans.


Why does a Southern California stadium need a roof? Aside from the fact an enclosed venue can play host to a wider range of events, a covering gives Kroenke the ability to create the world's biggest billboard, one visible to the more than 35 million travelers who fly into and out of L.A. each year. Images or animations could be projected onto the roof, instead of being permanent fixtures. Plans call for a sail-shaped roof structure that's twice as big as the stadium and shelters the football field, the adjacent 6,000-seat performing arts venue and the "Champions Plaza" in between. HKS is studying perforated metal panels and the mottled shadow patterns those cast on the ground like sunlight through a tree. The playing surface would be artificial turf.

Built to share

Kroenke doesn't need to partner with another team to finance the stadium, but the NFL sees L.A. as a two-team market and wants venues to be capable of hosting both. The Inglewood plan is two-team compliant, which means it has two home locker rooms, identical sets of office space, and two owners' suites. Whereas the Carson proposal is based on the Chargers and Raiders simultaneously relocating, it is widely believed Kroenke does not want to share the market with another NFL team right away, and, because he would be assuming the risk of the stadium by himself, would want to reap the benefits of getting his team up and running as L.A.'s sole franchise.

All sides approach

HKS describes the stadium as "four-sided," which means the venue is accessible and approachable to the public from 360 degrees. There would be no fenced-off areas at ground level such as loading docks, mechanical yards, dumpsters and the like. That would all be below ground and accessible via tunnels located near the stadium. VIP, event-level parking could also be accessed through the tunnels. Counting the underground and surface parking, 9,000 spaces would be dedicated to the stadium alone, with others in the nearby office and retail buildings. Backers of the Inglewood stadium estimate they would need a total of about 21,000 spaces for an NFL game, and say there would be roughly 45,000 spaces within a mile of the stadium on game days.
 

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All you had to do. Color her red ass gone.

BTW - Holy Crap! What a bitch! And thanks for getting me this info.
This is exactly what I was saying about her when she showed up here about a month ago. She had some very, very bad things to say about the city of St. Louis on that board. She even bad mouthed this board on that same site, RamFan503. I'm not going to say I am glad that she was banned as she was ok here, but I just felt she was being a bit two faced.
 

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This is exactly what I was saying about her when she showed up here about a month ago. She had some very, very bad things to say about the city of St. Louis on that board. She even bad mouthed this board on that same site, RamFan503. I'm not going to say I am glad that she was banned as she was ok here, but I just felt she was being a bit two faced.

She hated LA too, LA is just closer so at least she was consistent about her hate.:LOL:


Now the more important question, the hell you mfers doing checking out seahawk boards?:cautious:
 
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