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The defense was really good after that 1st drive and they were dealing with good speed guys on the Miami offense. LB play of Speights and Rozeboom was pretty good also. Both those guys get better every game. I think Reeder just lost his job to Speights!
 

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Fuller was a box safety. But I'd say that Johnson had the skillset to be both even coming out of college. I wouldn't call him a box safety.
Skillet is fine but he was a strong safety in college and in the nfl
 

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Skillet is fine but he was a strong safety in college and in the nfl
Eh, it's really not that big of a deal...especially since I agree with your overall point that the Rams haven't had many free safety types.

That said, JJ III played CB in college his first two years and then moved to safety. As a safety, he played SS and FS. For example in his senior year per PFF, he had 354 snaps as a FS, 150 in the slot, and 278 in the box. The Rams used him in both roles just like he played in college.
 
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I think we hit the jackpot with the Verse/Fiske combo. The defense is certainly better than the first few games. They're not top ten level yet. But the next few years sure look promising with a line consisting of Turner/Fiske/Verse/Young. And Hoecht in the rotation is solid too. Hopefully Speights becomes the guy a lot of people think he might. I'm thinking of another undrafted guy in London Fletcher.
 

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I think we hit the jackpot with the Verse/Fiske combo. The defense is certainly better than the first few games. They're not top ten level yet. But the next few years sure look promising with a line consisting of Turner/Fiske/Verse/Young. And Hoecht in the rotation is solid too. Hopefully Speights becomes the guy a lot of people think he might. I'm thinking of another undrafted guy in London Fletcher.
What happened with Fiske in the Miami game. Other than the illegal crack back block on the interception I didn’t notice him at all from my first watch.
 

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Eh, it's really not that big of a deal...especially since I agree with your overall point that the Rams haven't had many free safety types.

That said, JJ III played CB in college his first two years and then moved to safety. As a safety, he played SS and FS. For example in his senior year per PFF, he had 354 snaps as a FS, 150 in the slot, and 278 in the box. The Rams used him in both roles just like he played in college.
It's not a big deal But did you read the conversation or just that one comment of mine? Curious not being a dick or anything. The conversation was about whether the Rams really want a center fielder type of safety. It seems to me that they get box safety types and use them in every safety role. I honestly can't remember the last center fielder type safety that the Rams have had the best example I could come up with was Joyner, who also IIRC was a CB in college. But they used him in the slot a lot along with nickle coverage and more of a box safety when he wasn't doing that.
 

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Rams being outscored 56-10 in 1st quarter isnt a great look, (28-7 in last 4), but Rams D seems to really turn it on after that.
Wouldnt hurt for the offense to show up a little bit but they really need the D to start faster
 

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It's not a big deal But did you read the conversation or just that one comment of mine? Curious not being a dick or anything. The conversation was about whether the Rams really want a center fielder type of safety. It seems to me that they get box safety types and use them in every safety role. I honestly can't remember the last center fielder type safety that the Rams have had the best example I could come up with was Joyner, who also IIRC was a CB in college. But they used him in the slot a lot along with nickle coverage and more of a box safety when he wasn't doing that.
You could be right. We never really know what the Rams want. They often have ignored the OL when I thought it was a need for example.

My guess is the Rams will end up burning a midrounder on a guy who has some proficiency on film playing a little center field though. We'll see.
 

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Rams being outscored 56-10 in 1st quarter isnt a great look, (28-7 in last 4), but Rams D seems to really turn it on after that.
Wouldnt hurt for the offense to show up a little bit but they really need the D to start faster

The Rams have only scored 10 points in the 1st qtr in 9 games played? Putrid.

There must have been a lot of turd throwing going on in the 1st qtrs.

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The Rams have only scored 10 points in the 1st qtr in 9 games played? Putrid.

There must have been a lot of turd throwing going on in the 1st qtrs.

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My bad. They've scored a whopping 13 points in the first 9 games
 

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You could be right. We never really know what the Rams want. They often have ignored the OL when I thought it was a need for example.

My guess is the Rams will end up burning a midrounder on a guy who has some proficiency on film playing a little center field though. We'll see.
And I'm not arguing with adding a free safety center fielder type heck last year I kept mocking them to us along with a box safety. I just wonder if like ILB they don't overly value that type of player that's all. Just thinking out loud and replying to stuff to start conversations. Hoping somebody has an example that proves my theory wrong.
 

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Rams being outscored 56-10 in 1st quarter isnt a great look, (28-7 in last 4), but Rams D seems to really turn it on after that.
Wouldnt hurt for the offense to show up a little bit but they really need the D to start faster
If the offense would show up a little sooner, it would limit the opponents time of possession in the first quarter and perhaps the defense simply continues to do their job.

Two 3 and outs the first two possessions vs Miami (with a 3:35 TOP) and the next time they get the ball there was 4:12 remaining. They held the ball 3:11 on that third possession but turned it over on a pick.
Against Seattle they held the ball for 5:18 on their first 3 possessions (all in the first quarter) and showcased Ethan Evans on 3 nice punts.

Good showing vs Minnesota but vs Las Vegas 5:30 TOP in the first quarter, 11 plays, 37 yards and 2 punts.

If it wasn't for our defense we could have easily gone 1-3 the last 3 games instead of the other way around.
 

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It's not a big deal But did you read the conversation or just that one comment of mine? Curious not being a dick or anything. The conversation was about whether the Rams really want a center fielder type of safety. It seems to me that they get box safety types and use them in every safety role. I honestly can't remember the last center fielder type safety that the Rams have had the best example I could come up with was Joyner, who also IIRC was a CB in college. But they used him in the slot a lot along with nickle coverage and more of a box safety when he wasn't doing that.
I read the whole conversation. I largely agree with you: I'm not sure the Rams want a center fielder type either because they do seem to get the box safety type mostly.

Maybe it was just me being pedantic, but it bothered me to categorize JJ III as a box safety type since he aligned more as an FS in college than in the box. But you're right: I don't recall their last pure center field FS either.
 

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I read the whole conversation. I largely agree with you: I'm not sure the Rams want a center fielder type either because they do seem to get the box safety type mostly.

Maybe it was just me being pedantic, but it bothered me to categorize JJ III as a box safety type since he aligned more as an FS in college than in the box. But you're right: I don't recall their last pure center field FS either.
Got it be bothered :D We used him as a box safety and he played as much box safety in college. When he went to Cleveland they didn't use him as a box safety and he was a massive failure leading to his release and rejoining with the Rams as a box safety. He has coverage abilities. He may have lined up a lot as a free safety, doesn't mean much TBH without going back and watching college tape and looking at how he was used instead of how he was labeled.

JJ3 has had success in the NFL with the Rams as a box safety what he was labeled at in college IMO means nothing compared to that.
 

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Got it be bothered :D We used him as a box safety and he played as much box safety in college. When he went to Cleveland they didn't use him as a box safety and he was a massive failure leading to his release and rejoining with the Rams as a box safety. He has coverage abilities. He may have lined up a lot as a free safety, doesn't mean much TBH without going back and watching college tape and looking at how he was used instead of how he was labeled.

JJ3 has had success in the NFL with the Rams as a box safety what he was labeled at in college IMO means nothing compared to that.
But that's the thing, he wasn't primarily used in the box with the Rams. He was used as an FS and SS. IIRC, the Rams haven't used the FS and SS designations under McVay. They've used their guys in dual roles under Wade, Staley, and Morris.

Here are his snaps by position:

2017: 391 FS snaps, 287 snaps in the box.
2018: 503 FS snaps, 467 snaps in the box.
2019: 153 FS snaps, 182 snaps in the box.
2020: 394 FS snaps, 459 snaps in the box.
2021: 652 FS snaps, 132 snaps in the box. (Note: this year he almost had as many snaps in the slot as in the box.)

The numbers indicate that he's always played and has had success in both roles in college and the NFL. I didn't look up his Cleveland years because his time with the Rams is enough to illustrate the point.
 

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I read the whole conversation. I largely agree with you: I'm not sure the Rams want a center fielder type either because they do seem to get the box safety type mostly.

Maybe it was just me being pedantic, but it bothered me to categorize JJ III as a box safety type since he aligned more as an FS in college than in the box. But you're right: I don't recall their last pure center field FS either.
Atogwe?
Do we really have to go back that far?

As for Joyner, I liked him in the slot as a CB. I had trepidations once I heard he was moving to safety.
 

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If the offense would show up a little sooner, it would limit the opponents time of possession in the first quarter and perhaps the defense simply continues to do their job.

Two 3 and outs the first two possessions vs Miami (with a 3:35 TOP) and the next time they get the ball there was 4:12 remaining. They held the ball 3:11 on that third possession but turned it over on a pick.
Against Seattle they held the ball for 5:18 on their first 3 possessions (all in the first quarter) and showcased Ethan Evans on 3 nice punts.

Good showing vs Minnesota but vs Las Vegas 5:30 TOP in the first quarter, 11 plays, 37 yards and 2 punts.

If it wasn't for our defense we could have easily gone 1-3 the last 3 games instead of the other way around.
Doesn’t change the fact that teams have taken their first series to the house 4 times in 9 games.
 

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Doesn’t change the fact that teams have taken their first series to the house 4 times in 9 games.
Not disputing or diminishing that stat but you also have teams we've played score on their first drive at a higher percentage than that. Only 2 teams that don't are the Lions ironically and the Bears. Every other team we have played is over 50% with the Packers Vikings and Niners scoring on their first drive in 7 of 9 games.