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Doesn’t change the fact that teams have taken their first series to the house 4 times in 9 games.
No it doesn't. It is amplified by the fact our offense hasn't scored squat in the first quarter and just a few ticks shy of 8 points per game in the first half. And where the defense seems to tighten up over the final 3 quarters of the game (particularly the 4th Q, 4.5 PPG), the offense is just a little less lethargic throughout. But not only are they lethargic (18 ppg....a tick more than a TD and 3 FGs), four times in the last 7 games they've given the opposing offense the ball, near midfield or on our side of the 50 in the 2nd half. We can bitch about the D allowing a TD on the first drive in 4 of 9 games but it's pretty clear to me, we're sucking because the offense is sucking. However, if the offense wakes up, the OL tightens up, we can win more games than we lose over the final 8 weeks with the way the D is playing. Hell, give them a lead and see what they can do with it. We've had the lead twice and been tied once after 3 quarters and haven't lost any of them.
 
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No it doesn't. But it's amplified by the fact our offense hasn't scored squat in the first quarter and just a couple of ticks shy of 8 points per game in the first half. And where the defense seems to tighten up over the final 3 quarters of the game, the offense is just a little less lethargic throughout. But not only are they lethargic (18 ppg....a tick more than a TD and 3 FGs), four times in the last 7 games they've given the opposing offense the ball, near midfield or on our side of the 50 in the 2nd half. We can bitch about the D allowed a TD on the first drive in 4 of 9 games but it's pretty clear to me, we're sucking because the offense is sucking.
Some will do anything to defend McVay and his terrible offense. This defense is good enough to make a deep playoff run, and it's only getting better.
 

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Some will do anything to defend McVay and his terrible offense. This defense is good enough to make a deep playoff run, and it's only getting better.
The offense has scored 157 points and has allowed 7. That's a net of 150 (16.7 PPG)
The defense has scored 22 points. The offense has scored just 15 PPG more than our defense!
The defense has allowed 202 and scored 22. That's a net of 20 PPG allowed.
IMO, if you allow 20 PPG, you should win 10 games or more**. (The 18 teams who allowed 20 PPG or less the last 3 years averaged 10.4 wins).

**Of the teams (18) who allowed 20 PPG or less the last 3 years, 15 had winning records and 10 of them had double digit wins.
Of the teams (13) who had 3 non-offensive scores last year (like the Rams already have this year), 8 made the postseason.
 
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While the numbers are nice to see we can see with our own eyes watching games that the defense is keeping the Rams in games and for the most part, giving the offense the chance to win games in the 4th qtr.

However we can also see that the offense is a steaming pile of shit. Apart from the Vikings game, the 4th qtr against the whiners and overtime against the seagulls.

If the offense can just make some freaking plays to win games the Rams would be leading the division.

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Some will do anything to defend McVay and his terrible offense. This defense is good enough to make a deep playoff run, and it's only getting better.
And some create straw men
The thread is a discussion of the defense.
 

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No it doesn't. It is amplified by the fact our offense hasn't scored squat in the first quarter
Not disputing that but the discussion is about the defense. The defense has played very good but it does have its flaws, namely how it starts games. And last week it couldn’t stop Miami in the 2nd half.
The offense is awful but there are multiple threads discussing it
 

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Not disputing that but the discussion is about the defense. The defense has played very good but it does have its flaws, namely how it starts games. And last week it couldn’t stop Miami in the 2nd half.
The offense is awful but there are multiple threads discussing it
I agree the defense has had some flaws. The secondary in general, TreDavious White in particular. He played 4 games and had 1 PD. That wasn't because teams were afraid to throw his way but of equal importance, he was never known for his tackling or willingness to contribute in run defense. Since he was benched and eventually traded, the team has gone 3-2. With White in the lineup, the defense allowed a 72.5% comp% and 8 TDs (7.8%) With White benched (and now gone) they've allowed a 60.5% comp% and 8 TDs (5.1%). They have allowed 219.8 passing yards per game in the first 4 and 219.4 in the last 5 but offenses have been less productive through the air. The biggest difference has been in the run game. 165.5 yards per game 5.0 per rush over the first 4, 97.2 yards per game, 3.6 per rush in the last 5. Certainly it's not on White, but having 1 more CB on the field willing to contribute in the run game has had to have helped somewhat.

But if you're comment "there are multiple threads on the offense" is made to suggest the offense shouldn't be mentioned in a defensive discussion, I disagree. It would be like mentioning Puka's or Kupp's or DRob's great catches without mentioning Stafford's dimes or the pass pro provided by the OL. The offense can be a part of the defensive problem and contribute to or affect their performance (to some degree). It's complementary football and when the offense goes 3 and out or turns the ball over, either on giveaways or downs, especially creating bad field position, it can stress the defense. Particularly a young defense. So I think it's fair to include the offense and their sometimes pitiful performance when discussing the defense.

For instance, they have 9 three and outs in the first quarter on 18 possessions (4 of 6, the last 2 games) including 3 games on the first possession and a 4 play 'drive' on an opening possession in another. In the 2nd quarter they have 6 three and outs on 24 possessions. That totals 15 three and outs on 42 first half possessions (more than 1 in 3). I would believe that affects the defensive performance to some degree. They are on the field far too much early in games, which can have a cumulative affect for the game. I will admit though, it's been much more fun watching the defense than the offense so there's that. More than a third of the 4th quarter possessions are 3 and outs (8 of 22) and ironically against Seattle they went 4 of 4 in the 4th quarter but we won the game anyway because the defense took the ball away from Seattle twice, once for a score and gave the O one more chance with a 4th down stop, on which the O capitalized in OT. Otherwise, we'd be looking at a 3-6 record.

On the season, the defense has forced 25 three and outs over 95 possessions. 15 of 50 in the first half, 10 of 45 in the second half. The defense has flaws but they are improving (to the eye). We have to hope the offense has a huge turnaround if we're going to get anywhere the second half of the season. I'm confident they will. It's complimentary football that has the best chance for success.
 
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The numbers first 4 gp / last 5 gp

First 4 GP:

219.8 pass yds/g ; 1 int, 7 sacks
165.5 rush yds/g ; 5.0 y/c
13 TD, 6 FG; 109 pts; 27.2 PPG

Last 5 GP:

219.4 pass yds/g ; 7 Int, 17 sacks
97.2 rush yds/g ; 3.6 y/c
10 TD, 11 FG; 103 pts; 20.6 PPG

I think we'd have to believe, they are improving.
 

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Defense is young and inexperienced - didn't have a great 2nd half against the dolphins,

But yeah considering all factors - the defense is clearly outperforming the offense right now.

Going to be a little blunt about this - I love Stafford and it's not all his fault, but I feel like he acts like the offense is better than it is.

I haven't heard him criticize his own play very often this year, when at time it's been below average.
 

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But if you're comment "there are multiple threads on the offense" is made to suggest the offense shouldn't be mentioned in a defensive discussion, I disagree.
This thread is about an ongoing discussion about the defense, and I'm here for it
The defense has started slow and has had issues closing out games. At times against Miami it was maybe the best defensive performance of the season, alas I would have loved seeing a stop in the 2nd half
 

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This thread is about an ongoing discussion about the defense, and I'm here for it
The defense has started slow and has had issues closing out games. At times against Miami it was maybe the best defensive performance of the season, alas I would have loved seeing a stop in the 2nd half

Would have been Great.

LMFOA - though, because The defense has given The Offense the ball back every game except ARIZONA. Les Snead says he loves the effort & if you ask Jared Verse he BLAMED himself on not making a couple plays.

He is a rookie & Murray is Super Fast. He has a different speed & style than any NFL QB.

This last game they kept making stops & the O’ messed up.
The Missed FG a penalty (5 yards) really changed The WHOLE game !!

The Raiders & Hags game it was The Defensive Scores that WON those games !!

I was LAUGHING MY AZZ the whole time after that,saying(group) Sean Mcvay you CAN’T COUNT of The DEfENSE this game to score.

—Still you bring up a stop !! You still think The Rams WIN if the defense did ?? Nothing in that game proves they would score a TD !!
 

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Like Rosenboom almost scores. Fiske made a mistake. He also got another one which would have been HUGE !! All those haters can ???
 

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From what I see of the defense, they're about at the level of last year's defense. Middle of the pack. Which is far better than the bottom they were at earlier in the season. And they should get better as time goes on.

At the moment the offense is the problem. Out of 9 games there was only two they were playing a level we thought they'd be. The 49ers and the Vikings. 7 games they were not good.

The Lions game wasn't good but wasn't as bad. Neither was the Seahawks. The Cardinals, Bears, Packers, Raiders and Dolphins were pretty bad. Just not enough good games from the offense. Hence, the losing record. We don't have a top ten defense to make up for it.
 

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Defense is young and inexperienced - didn't have a great 2nd half against the dolphins,
No they didn't. If they could have repeated their performance against Seattle we could have won.
This thread is about an ongoing discussion about the defense, and I'm here for it
The defense is our best offense. See what I didn't do there? I didn't mention our actual offense in a discussion about the defense. :laugh1:

A stop in the 2nd half would have been great. A TD and 3 FGs allowed was too much. That alone is already 16 points and approaching the line of too much too over come.
 
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From what I see of the defense, they're about at the level of last year's defense.
There are some differences.

I think this year's pass rush is the best we have had since our recent title season. And that season it was shitty until they added Miller and after he adjusted to the group. So it wasn't the entire season.

That year's secondary was iffy. But this year's group has been worse. They are better than last season but that isn't saying much.

So I realize this is splitting hairs, but I think this group has more upside potential due to this DL.

We may have the best DL in this league overall and they are improving as we go. All we need for a run is the OL to settle down and the secondary to quit blowing coverages.
 

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There is some terrific coaching going on but… Can someone please explain how David Long Jr, 28, battle tested and always available, is not now wearing a Rams uniform?
 

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Well, I found AD on the fan cam from Miami game. He looks as thrilled as we were. I can see him thinking, "this needs cleaned up if I'm going to unretire for the playoffs".

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—Still you bring up a stop !! You still think The Rams WIN if the defense did ?? Nothing in that game proves they would score a TD !!
Is it possible for you to speak english?
Seattle drove right down the field to score and tie the game despite getting the ball with under 2 minutes to go and no time outs, took all of 1 minute. Yes a stop would have been good
 

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JMHO.....I think the defense is playing waaay better than we could have expected. Did they not make stops when a stop would have helped. Sure. Did they make plays at big times? Sure did. Defense (as well as offense, as well as special teams) is situational and complimentary, and doesn't exist in a vacuum. Just like hitting, pitching and fielding. I absolutely love our defense. They're are fun to watch and simply need to play with a little more consistency in every situation. To prevent long drives, scoring drives and short field drives.