GAME DAY MNF - Lions at 49’ers

[Tano]

Our kicker is 4 of 5 from 50+. It's the other kicks that are an adventure lol.

Actually it's the kicks inside 30 yards that are an adventure.

 

[Tano]

You can't dispute Goff's accuracy....among the best in the league if not the best.

He is in a perfect situation for sure, especially for his skill set. And yes, other QB's would do well in that same role, but his accuracy just makes that offense absolutely special.

Having said that, he would certainly struggle playing on a team with an average OL that allows more pressure and hurries, especially if he had to carry that offense due to a poor running game. In that environment his effectiveness will decline significantly.

I completely agree with this statement.

 

[PhillyRam]

Watching John Lynch lose his shit tonight>>>>>>>>>>

Niners are in a tough spot and it's glorious.

 

[Corbin]

I went to a San Fran game back in the day (2002). More than being loud, I gave them hell why I was there!

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Lmao that’s bad ass bro!

Did anybody say anything? That’s a great sign I’m proud to say I know you! Lmao!

 

[André]

Niners are in a tough spot and it's glorious.

I'm here for it.

 

[Merlin]

I’m not emotional about this. Rams fans that have a sentimental feeling about Goff are the ones that are emotional.

If Baker Mayfield was playing QB for the Lions this year, they would be in the EXACT same spot. Insert Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak Prescott, or any other QB that falls in that 10-15 range and the Lions would be in the exact same spot.

I don't want to take away from how Goff has played this year. He's executed extremely well. But I agree that the protections and weapons in that offense are superb and many of those other second tier type QBs would be producing at a high clip in that offense too. No telling who would do what of course but there's plenty of credit to go around for all involved in Detroit.

Now all that aside I think Detroit can be had in the playoffs. The first defense that slows their attack might knock them out. And I wouldn't mind if it was us.

 

[PhillyRam]

I completely agree with this statement.

And its why even at the level he is playing at right now, I doubt he would have been able to win the SB in 21' with the Rams. They had no running game and an above average OL at best in terms of pass blocking, but again not a good run blocking group.

He would not have been able to pull those last 3 playoff games out nor some of those games down the stretch of the regular season.

Stafford was the right move and the trade benefitted both teams. Now maybe McVay/Snead could have built a super team around him eventually, but Donald, Whit, Ramsey, and probably Kupp would have never gotten a ring with him.

 

[Spider2YB]

You can't dispute Goff's accuracy....among the best in the league if not the best.

He is in a perfect situation for sure, especially for his skill set. And yes, other QB's would do well in that same role, but his accuracy just makes that offense absolutely special.

Having said that, he would certainly struggle playing on a team with an average OL that allows more pressure and hurries, especially if he had to carry that offense due to a poor running game. In that environment his effectiveness will decline significantly.

I hear ya but there are a good 4-5 QBs in this league that have a lot of success that I think is overwhelmingly dependent on their outstanding surrounding cast. And Jared Goff is one of those guys for me. Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy are two others. I think if any one of those guys woke up tomorrow morning as the Titans QB, the Titans outlook as a team would be the same as it was the day before. Bleak.

 

[PhillyRam]

I hear ya but there are a good 4-5 QBs in this league that have a lot of success that I think is overwhelmingly dependent on their outstanding surrounding cast. And Jared Goff is one of those guys for me. Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy are two others. I think if any one of those guys woke up tomorrow morning as the Titans QB, the Titans outlook as a team would be the same as it was the day before. Bleak.

Well, I would say there are only 3 or 4 QBs that could make the Titans competitive as well. You would obviously need mobile guys that can take hits. Only a few of those in the league right now and our guy wouldn't excel there either.

 

[Steve808]

I hope the whiners beat the cards next week. Don't want them getting too high of a draft pick next season.

 

[DzRams]

Well, I would say there are only 3 or 4 QBs that could make the Titans competitive as well. You would obviously need mobile guys that can take hits. Only a few of those in the league right now and our guy wouldn't excel there either.

Yep. Stafford is a better QB than Goff if given the same circumstances but even he wouldn't be able to elevate Tennessee.

 

[Spider2YB]

Well, I would say there are only 3 or 4 QBs that could make the Titans competitive as well. You would obviously need mobile guys that can take hits. Only a few of those in the league right now and our guy wouldn't excel there either.

I think it’s more than 3 or 4.

Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Herbert are definites. Stroud, Love, Jayden Daniels would also move the needle. That’s 8, and that’s my larger point about Goff. He’s a fine QB, but the MVP talk is insanity. Just like it was for Hurts a couple years ago. And it’s still like that for Hurts. The 3rd stringer came into the game for Philly and was moving them up and down the field and scoring vs Dallas’ first team D. And let’s be clear I’m not saying they suck or aren’t any good. I’m just saying a good dozen QBs would thrive in those systems and look like All Pros.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Not to turn this into a Goff thread but my only gripe about him now is he’s all of a sudden “Mr. Fired up” with the Lions but was all meek with us. Like zero emotion.

The media crap gets annoys me too. They shat all over him when he was tearing it up just as well on the Rams. Now they all of a sudden now hes not here he’s like some totally different dude when played just as well.

 

[PhillyRam]

Not to turn this into a Goff thread but my only gripe about him now is he’s all of a sudden “Mr. Fired up” with the Lions but was all meek with us. Like zero emotion.

The media crap gets annoys me too. They shat all over him when he was tearing it up just as well on the Rams. Now they all of a sudden now hes not here he’s like some totally different dude when played just as well.

Well, he likley grew up a bit after the trade and realized he needed to take ownership of his new team. It's just about a player maturing. When he left here I think he was only 25 or so.

 

[PhillyRam]

I think it’s more than 3 or 4.

Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Herbert are definites. Stroud, Love, Jayden Daniels would also move the needle. That’s 8, and that’s my larger point about Goff. He’s a fine QB, but the MVP talk is insanity. Just like it was for Hurts a couple years ago. And it’s still like that for Hurts. The 3rd stringer came into the game for Philly and was moving them up and down the field and scoring vs Dallas’ first team D. And let’s be clear I’m not saying they suck or aren’t any good. I’m just saying a good dozen QBs would thrive in those systems and look like All Pros.

You named 5 "definites" then you moved the goal posts to guys who could move the needle. Hell, Goff could "move the needle" vs what they have now.

And don't forget the mess Goff went to in Detroit, yet their outlook turned out to not be so bleak as they built a team around his strengths and weaknesses. So that's a bad test as to how good he could be on a team.

Goff is a very good QB, but like any pocket passer he needs protection. Even great pocket passers needed that. Did Warner ever excel behind a bad OL?

 

[Spider2YB]

You named 5 "definites" then you moved the goal posts to guys who could move the needle. Hell, Goff could "move the needle" vs what they have now.

And don't forget the mess Goff went to in Detroit, yet their outlook turned out to not be so bleak as they built a team around his strengths and weaknesses. So that's a bad test as to how good he could be on a team.

Goff is a very good QB, but like any pocket passer he needs protection. Even great pocket passers needed that. Did Warner ever excel behind a bad OL?

They didn’t build the team around Goff’s strengths and weaknesses. That’s an absolutely crazy statement. They just built the best roster possible. Jared Goff and Jayden Daniels have 2 completely different skill sets. You think if the Lions woke up tomorrow with Jayden Daniels as their QB they’d be like “ahh shit we built this roster around Jared Goff’s strengths and weaknesses. This might not be a good fit”. Fuck no, they’d be thanking the football Gods because their offense is ready made for any kind of QB. It’s the best o line with a top 5 skill group. I mean come on.

 

[PhillyRam]

They didn’t build the team around Goff’s strengths and weaknesses. That’s an absolutely crazy statement. They just built the best roster possible. Jared Goff and Jayden Daniels have 2 completely different skill sets. You think if the Lions woke up tomorrow with Jayden Daniels as their QB they’d be like “ahh shit we built this roster around Jared Goff’s strengths and weaknesses. This might not be a good fit”. Fuck no, they’d be thanking the football Gods because their offense is ready made for any kind of QB. It’s the best o line with a top 5 skill group. I mean come on.

Well, maybe they would have spent more picks on defense because they wouldn't have needed to build a super OL with Daniels. Instead they focused on OL & RBs, plus a big time TE. All tools that really help a pocket passer.

 

[Giles]

Love seeing those fucks lose.

 

[Spider2YB]

Well, maybe they would have spent more picks on defense because they wouldn't have needed to build a super OL with Daniels. Instead they focused on OL & RBs, plus a big time TE. All tools that really help a pocket passer.

My larger point still stands. There are 10-12 QBs—minimum!—that would be having at least the same amount of success as Goff in Detroit. Again, I’m not saying he sucks. I’m just saying he’s a “good not great” QB playing in the best situation out of all 32 QBs.

I think the exact same thing about Sam Darnold in Minnesota. KOC+JJ+Addison+Flores and that D?? Oh yeah there are *several QBs* killing it in that situation.

 

[kurtfaulk]

LOL. What????

This is a sober analysis of the Lions roster. It’s the best offensive line in football. It’s the best running game in football. They’ve got top talent at WR and TE. Their OC is literally turning down head coaching gigs. I know some Rams fans have a sentimental attachment to Goff but to act like he’s an MVP caliber player is freaking INSANE. He’s in the same class as Hurts and Purdy. Good enough to take advantage and play well when he’s got talent surrounding him, but with a league average roster he’d be a league average QB….at best.

Are you saying Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen have nothing around them, that's why they're the mvp favourites?

And hurts/purdy are in the same class? Hurts is the worst passer in the league and Purdy hasn't done it when his team needed it this season.

Goff is closer to mvp than he is to hurts and purdy.

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